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[raging_monkey]

Getting close dalish are bad territory lol

[Duelist]

All these people being elfy on the Sera thread. Sera disapproves

[raging_monkey]

All these people being elfy on the Sera thread. Sera disapproves

but elves are sexy XD

[Bowie Hawkins]

Merrill approves of protecting non-Dalish and elven children in Act I. 

 

Merrill moves to the city in Act I, and has been subjected to distrust and even outright hatred from the people of her Clan for some time beforehand, so she's not the be-all and end-all of examples that you keep trying to twist her into. That Merrill doesn't share the prejudices that led the Dalish to teach their people lessons like the one that I quoted from the codex or call City elves "flat ears", she's the exception rather than the rule.

 

You have cited examples of specific individuals, but the canon shows the Dalish to be, in general, far less accepting than you want to portray them as. And that's why Sera has valid reasons to return the favor of the attitudes that they extend.

[Duelist]

but elves are sexy XD

I have nothing against elves but I'll take pirates any day.

[raging_monkey]

I have nothing against elves but I'll take pirates any day.

elven pirates.... my body is ready... thats still the phrase right

[Duelist]

elven pirates.... my body is ready... thats still the phrase right

Sure. Needs gifs though.

[LobselVith8]

Merrill moves to the city in Act I, and has been subjected to distrust and even outright hatred from the people of her Clan for some time beforehand, so she's not the be-all and end-all of examples that you keep trying to twist her into. That Merrill doesn't share the prejudices that led the Dalish to teach their people lessons like the one that I quoted from the codex or call City elves "flat ears", she's the exception rather than the rule.

 

You seem to continually miss the point: the Dalish are an ethnic group of people. Merrill isn't meant to be an example as to how all of them behave; she's an example that you can't act as though they are all the same. A Dalish clan adopted a human child who became Aveline the Knight, and irrevocably changed the lives of women in Thedas forever. We have Velanna's clan respond positively when they see Velanna in the company of humans, and even take the word of an outsider that Velanna has changed for the best. The Dalish near Rivain are said to be on good terms with the humans who follow the Natural Order, and even set up a "semi-permanent colony", according to Gaider.

 

I really don't see why you're so insistent on acting as though the Dalish are all the same, when it's addressed that the clans have changed precisely due to their nomadic lifestyle, and divergent paths.

 

You have cited examples of specific individuals, but the canon shows the Dalish to be, in general, far less accepting than you want to portray them as. And that's why Sera has valid reasons to return the favor of the attitudes that they extend.

 

To say "in general" when Solas explicitly states that the clans vary is precisely the problem with every post you've made on the subject. And why you and Sera are dead wrong to judge all the Dalish as though they're all the same.

[raging_monkey]

Sure. Needs gifs though.

gifs take the imagination away... best to think about it lol * lewd grin*... elven pirates

[LobselVith8]

Sera judges the Dalish on the fact that they have built up this insane mythos about their lost history despite the fact that a great deal of it remains lost and unknown. "Elfy" is her reference to Elves who follow or believe the Dalish mythology. Can Sera be rude? Of course but, at the end of the day the Dalish in an attempt to restore the history of their people( not a bad thing, it's kind of noble ) have embraced teachings or beliefs that might actually be wrong( jury is still out ).

 

The Dalish strive to try to regain what was lost, and their way of life is a matter of survival on a continent full of kingdoms that are hostile to the Dalish for their cultural and religious views; it's why Clan Lavellan chose the Free Marches, since the city-states were less likely to attack them in fear of provoking one of their neighbors.

 

Of course, the People also have limitations on their knowledge, such as conceding that they don't know who all of the Forgotten Ones are, or why they were in a war with the Creators in the first place. Merrill even points out the Sabrae Clan doesn't know who summoned and bound Audacity when the ancient elves fought Tevinter at Sundermount.

 

Commenting on how the elven Inquisitor is "elfy" upon first meeting the protagonist is incredibly jarring, and her opposition to pro-elven choices (i.e. becoming Inquisitor or supporting Briala) reflects that her problem isn't simply limited to the Dalish. However, Sera judging an entire ethnic group of people is certainly a problem.

[Bowie Hawkins]

You seem to continually miss the point: 

 

You assuming something is not the same as it actually being what you assume it to be.

 

To say "in general" when Solas explicitly states that the clans vary is precisely the problem with every post you've made on the subject. And why you and Sera are dead wrong to judge all the Dalish as though they're all the same.

 

But when you make the sort of flawed assumption you ended your last reply with, it becomes comedy gold. To say "in general" that the Dalish look down upon City elves is to acknowledge the reality of the setting as outlined in the official canon entries in the codex such as the one I quoted, and how Dalish use "flat ears" as a slur against City elves. It's interesting that you decide to bring up Velanna, though, since if she's in the party when you encounter the two City elves in Amaranthine she tells them that they make her sick.

 

But since your previous replies indicate you're never going to acknowledge the slur being something problematic about the Dalish or do anything other than keep being condescending, it's time to update my ignore preferences.

[Dark Helmet]

Pretty sure you're just Salty that DAI has so utterly taken the ****** out of your favorite faction Lob.

[LobselVith8]

You assuming something is not the same as it actually being what you assume it to be.

 

It's not an assumption when I'm addressing what's explicitly shown and mentioned in the games.

 

But when you make the sort of flawed assumption you ended your last reply with, it becomes comedy gold. To say "in general" that the Dalish look down upon City elves is to acknowledge the reality of the setting as outlined in the official canon entries in the codex such as the one I quoted, and how Dalish use "flat ears" as a slur against City elves. It's interesting that you decide to bring up Velanna, though, since if she's in the party when you encounter the two City elves in Amaranthine that they make her sick.

 

I'm not certain how you see it as "comedy gold" when Inquisition makes a point that the clans can be quite different from one another, as a result of their nomadic lifestyle and their distance from one another. The Dalish are an ethnic group; they follow the Creators and want to govern themselves, but they can be quite different, and there's no general consensus about how the majority are. It's a simple fact you continue to gloss over, pointing to the words of one single man and acting as though it condemns an entire ethnic group that lives across the expanse of an entire continent.

 

But since your previous replies indicate you're never going to acknowledge the slur being something problematic about the Dalish or do anything other than keep being condescending, it's time to update my ignore preferences.

 

You're right: I'm not going to pretend that you can condemn an ethnic group of people because of the behavior of some of them.

[Dark Helmet]

 

You're right: I'm not going to pretend that you can condemn an ethnic group of people because of the behavior of some of them.

 

I'm curious Lob what part about DAI enraged you the most? That Arlathan destroyed itself? That the elves killed their own gods? Maybe how the remaining ancient elves want nothing to do with the Dalish? Nah I bet it was the bit about the War of the Dales being the elves fault.

[raging_monkey]

I think we are devolving from sera and more about dalish in general just sayin

[Duelist]

"All you being elfy on my thread: stand there while I line up my shot."

[LobselVith8]

Pretty sure you're just Salty that DAI has so utterly taken the ****** out of your favorite faction Lob.

 

The elven Inquisitor becomes the leader of one of the most powerful groups in Thedas, you can dissolve the templars (who were a threat to the Dalish) and reform the Chantry to be pro-elven, you can take action so that Clan Lavellan becomes a leader in the Free Marches, and you can make Skyhold (an elven fortress in the Dales) a safe haven for the People. You can be fairly pro-Dalish in the narrative.

 

I'm curious Lob what part about DAI enraged you the most? That Arlathan destroyed itself? That the elves killed their own gods? Maybe how the remaining ancient elves want nothing to do with the Dalish?

 

You don't even seem to be keeping yourself apprised of what the actual discussion is. I'm disagreeing with Sera's view of the Dalish, and the elves, given her opposition to the Inquisitor wanting to be a positive symbol to the elves, or supporting Briala becoming a leader to Orlais to make a beneficial difference for the Orlesian elves.

[raging_monkey]

"All you being elfy on my thread: stand there while I line up my shot."

why do artists always give women "huge girls"... not that im complaining just a observation

[Dark Helmet]

Anyway even though Sera gets on my nerves sometimes I support her 100%.

 

We are in complete agreement about a few key things in the setting.

[LobselVith8]

I think perhaps, you have encountered certain conversations and or approval losses I haven't. Do you actually loss approval with Sera for becoming the Inquisitor? I believe I chose the "I will restore order" or "I will be an Inquisitor of the people" and got Sera approval but, I have horrible memory and could be wrong.

 

I suppose that's certainly possible. Choosing the elven option when becoming Inquisitor is greeted with disapproval from Sera.

 

Don't get me wrong; I don't hate Sera (my Lavellan Inquisitor told her that she should consider herself family during the ceremony at the end of the storyline), but I see some of her views as being seriously flawed.

[Dark Helmet]

 

Don't get me wrong; I don't hate Sera (my Lavellan Inquisitor told her that she should consider herself family during the ceremony at the end of the storyline), but I see some of her views as being seriously flawed.

 

Because she thinks the Dalish should stop being the sorest losers in Thedosian history? Or that she cares about "Little people" regardless of race?

 

Because those seem like very modern, very just views to hold.