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Zjarcal

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Wait... secretly crushing on Johnny Depp is a stereotypical lesbian thing to do?


Yeah srsly, wtf? I've been doing it all wrong it seems.

Regarding Sera being a lesbian and being written by a guy, no, I don't really have any doubts about it being perfectly possible for it to be pulled off in a satisfying way.

I actually have more doubts about whether or not I will like her at all though, regardless of her sexuality.

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What if DAI subverts the trend, and instead of Varric having a nickname for everyone, everyone has a nickname for Varric.
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Cole also used nicknames. I wonder what his would be for Sera. 



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Cole also used nicknames. I wonder what his would be for Sera. 

It's been a little while since I read the books so I don't quite remember him doing that, what were his nicknames for everyone?



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Sunflowers are cool and all, but I don't think Sera would appreciate being referred to as a flower. I was actually thinking some sort of bird, but I can't decide on which one. 

 

EDIT: Gah! Misquotes everywhere.

 

I read this as "Mosquitos everywhere".


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Grieving Natashina

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It's been a little while since I read the books so I don't quite remember him doing that, what were his nicknames for everyone?

The ones I remember the most were

"Templar Lady"

"Big Nose"

"Old Woman"

"Red Hair"

 

So, by that logic, I think Cole is going to end up calling Sera "Blonde elf."  He's sweet, but I don't think creativity is his strong suit for the most part.


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Hanako Ikezawa

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It's been a little while since I read the books so I don't quite remember him doing that, what were his nicknames for everyone?

I can't remember, but they were always involving something about them. 



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What if DAI subverts the trend, and instead of Varric having a nickname for everyone, everyone has a nickname for Varric.

I think Varric will almost certainly have a nickname for everyone, but I can see quite a few of these companions firing back with nicknames of their own. Cole and Sera for example will refer to him as Nii-san, it has been decided. 

 

 

I read this as "Mosquitos everywhere".

Hmmm..."Mos-qui-to" nope that doesn't work either, I'm sticking with Magpie. 



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Sera's snort-giggling always leaves the entire Writers Pit in stitches.


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As to your point about authors however, I'm not seeing the reasoning of being so specific, unless your intent is to whine that your special snowflake can't be understood by someone who isn't just like you.


Guilty as charged. I don't think a man understands what it's like to be a lesbian.

I think a male writer can create an excellent lesbian character, but most would rather write a character who 'happens to be' a lesbian. After all, you can never have a conversation with a lesbian, never read erotica written by a lesbian, and never see a comic or film made by a lesbian, and create a character who 'happens to be' a lesbian.

This doesn't make them a bad character.

Ellen Ripley is one of the most well-known examples of characters who just 'happen to be' a woman. She was a man in the original draft of the screenplay. (Though Sigourney Weaver has ample experience with being a woman, and one wonders if that first draft had him stripping down to his white undies while the camera lovingly showed off his abs and rear.) She’s been heralded in many mainstream and feminist publications as the best action heroine of all time.


There are good authors and there are bad authors.


Some great creators have made sexist, racist, and homophobic works of art.

Either you trust the writing team to be up to the tasks they take on, or you don't, in which case you shouldn't trust ANY of the writing in the game.


Yeah… have fun with that.

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The ones I remember the most were

"Templar Lady"

"Big Nose"

"Old Woman"

"Red Hair"

 

So, by that logic, I think Cole is going to end up calling Sera "Blonde elf."  He's sweet, but I don't think creativity is his strong suit for the most part.

 

Oh yeah, I remember those nicknames now.

 

"Blond Elf"

"Horns"

"Bald Elf"

"Seeker Lady"

"Warden Fellow"

"Scary"

"Mustache"

"Funny Dwarf"

"Inquisitor"

 

He'll put Varric to shame. (Then again Varric might use a couple of these for himself).



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For some reason, I could picture him calling her "Sunflower," based on that lovely blonde hair of hers. :)


Snickers.

Birdie.
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He'll put Varric to shame.

I'm hoping for at least "Scribbles" and "Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy".
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#4114
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Snickers.

Birdie.

Isn't "Snickers" a more modern word. I mean, I know that "snicker" has been a verb/noun for awhile, but I didn't think that anyone thought to add an s to it except to pluralize it until the candy bar came around. It's like "Bara" for Blackwall, an excellent nickname, but likely the wrong time period/word for it.

 

 

I'm hoping for at least "Scribbles" and "Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy".

 

I'll be happy with DHMG but yeah, those two are kinda a must at this point. Even if he only uses it once before switching to something else. 

 

 

Oh right, speaking of people giving Varric nicknames, I can see Sera giving him something a little rude (that he'd probably take in stride) like "Stubs", she seems like the type to be a little crude with her nicknames.



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Iron Bull can be 'Mayhem.' I think that makes Sera 'Destruction.'

And I'm not sure how old the word snickers is.

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Oh right, speaking of people giving Varric nicknames, I can see Sera giving him something a little rude (that he'd probably take in stride) like "Stubs", she seems like the type to be a little crude with her nicknames.

"Shorty McHair"

I choose to believe Varric's 'nickname' for Sera will be "that m***fin' elf" as result of her setting Bianca on fire after he tries to bestow a more conventional nickname on her.

(ok, not really)

(... ok, maybe a little. i want to see a grumpy Varric for once)

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Iron Bull can be 'Mayhem.' I think that makes Sera 'Destruction.'

And I'm not sure how old the word snickers is.

According to Webster's, the word came into common use in 1694.  So it's not as modern as some might think.  :)

 

http://www.merriam-w...tionary/snicker



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Snickers.

 

What chocolate bar is Sera?

 

She's brash and fun, we've seen her dressed in red thus far...

 

She's a M & M's chocolate bar!

 

mms-chocolate-bar_10897686.jpg


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I will be happiest if at least one of my inquisitors can be like this:

http://dgaider.tumbl...bly-not-be-like

 

Drunk, deliberately obtuse, and with a sense of humour that would charitably be described as eccentric :lol:

 

archer!

Would you like a video?

 

i never got that to trigger

 

What confuses me is the idea that Lukas somehow wrote Sera in a vacuum.  That there was no way that he could have possibly been going to friends and colleagues in the LBGTQ community for feedback.  

 

 

DG, for instance, is not a transgender woman and wrote Mae.  He did it while also talking to members of the trans community, asking for feedback and making sure he got Mae right.  Overall, the fans love her, and no one seems to question if she is good just because a gay man wrote her.  

 

I honestly think there is a lot of worry about not much.  Sera's here, she's queer and she's going to kick some major heiney. It's a gorgeous Friday the 13th, so don't all of us kick back and enjoy our blonde Friend of Red Jenny?   :)

as a formerly hetero normative now asexual male, i just want to say i loved mae, it took me a few read throughs and the wiki before i realized she was transgendered, she was written that well 

 

I am right-handed and I am a lesbian. These are both traits. One is more meaningful than the other.


 

right handed is the trait that matters, never trust a right handed person



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JerZey CJ

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I'm hoping for at least "Scribbles" and "Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy".

Varric: Hmm

Dorian: What are you "hmm"ing about dwarf?

Varric: I'm trying to think of a nickname for you.

Dorian: Oh? And what do you have so far?

Varric: I'm thinking "Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy."

Dorian: Yes wel- I'm sorry what?

Varric: Yeah, 'cause y'know, you always do that thing with your hands and you...have a...mustache...yeah I'll keep thinking.

Dorian: Not your best work.


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Iron Bull can be 'Mayhem.' I think that makes Sera 'Destruction.'

And I'm not sure how old the word snickers is.

"Team Mayhem" is totally going to be the team name for my IB, Sera and Dorian party. 

 

"Shorty McHair"

I choose to believe Varric's 'nickname' for Sera will be "that m***fin' elf" as result of her setting Bianca on fire after he tries to bestow a more conventional nickname on her.

(ok, not really)

(... ok, maybe a little. i want to see a grumpy Varric for once)

Hmm that definitely doesn't flow off the tongue.

 

Sera: Hey Varric

Varric: Yes that m********king elf?

Sera: I was just wondering, what was it like, living in Kirkwall. Sounded like a pretty exciting place.

Varric: Well you see that motherfucking elf...

 

 

According to Webster's, the word came into common use in 1694.  So it's not as modern as some might think.   :)

 

http://www.merriam-w...tionary/snicker

 

Well, yeah as the plural for "snicker", but a pluralization is a bit awkward for a nickname, even if it sounds alright to our modern ears. I'm saying it's a good nickname, but I don't think Bioware would ever use it because people would think of the candy bar.

 

 

 



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archer!

i never got that to trigger

 

as a formerly hetero normative now asexual male, i just want to say i loved mae, it took me a few read throughs and the wiki before i realized she was transgendered, she was written that well 

 

right handed is the trait that matters, never trust a right handed person

:( I'm right handed.....


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Varric: Hmm

Dorian: What are you "hmm"ing about dwarf?

Varric: I'm trying to think of a nickname for you.

Dorian: Oh? And what do you have so far?

Varric: I'm thinking "Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy."

Dorian: Yes wel- I'm sorry what?

Varric: Yeah, 'cause y'know, you always do that thing with your hands and you...have a...mustache...yeah I'll keep thinking.

Dorian: Not your best work.

I think Epic Stache is a perfect nickname for Dorian.



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Question for anyone and everyone, out of my own curiosity.

 

How meaningful do you think it is for someone to be gay in the DA universe?

 

Meaningful can mean many different things.  That is somewhat difficult to answer, even if not speaking of the DA Universe.   Gay, straight, bi, the terminology isn't even in Thedeas that we've seen so far, I believe.  The concepts may be there, but that creates another layer of abstraction when trying to answer the question, imo.  We've just had people speaking in terms of who they slept with or married, without seeing much in the way of judgement or oppression.  

 

But, for someone being gay, I think there are some meaningful social and societal -- and possibly cultural aspects -- that vary from culture to culture in the DA Universe.  None that are remotely to the extremes like we see on Earth, of course, but there are some.  How much impact that "some" has on a society's people is uncertain.  Blue hair may be unusual, but you'd be hard-pressed to find a blue-haired person thrown into jail, executed, systematically oppressed by society itself.  Someone may go, "Ah, blue hair.  I see..."  and move on with their life.  That's the general gist I feel with a person being gay or identifying themselves as only being interested in same-sex relations in the DA Universe.  

 

A human noble in Ferelden may have added pressures of marrying an opposite-sex partner, or at least making an heir, but I doubt the gay individual would be thrown out in the streets, tar and feathered.  Or expelled from the House, I don't think.  Like a parent that may nag their child to get married and give them grandchildren in our world, I'd see it just the same.  Parent nagging the gay child to have a marriage or children, but just grump and cross arms, an argument once in a while, but the gay person still ultimately has their autonomy and choices and love/support of the family.  I don't see it too much different for Dalish or Dwarves... While the societies may expect certain things, it doesn't mean it must happen or that these people will in any way be severely abused or oppressed or condemned for it.  That's just my take based on the games thus far, however.

 

Of course, in every game, we are mixed up with a rag tag group of misfits, outsiders, rebels, and strongly independent or indifferent companions that already are outliers of "regular" society.  

 

Being gay may be meaningful for the person as a piece of self-identity in the 'verse, absolutely.  They are not straight, they are not fluid, they are strictly same-sex.  They view themselves as x, they want x things, and they want to have their life in x way because of it -- but in such a 'verse, I don't see much push back against them pursuing and having those things.  I know Sera must have grown up with stories of gay and lesbian heroes, since in my DA World, it is a lesbian Warden savior and a gay Champion of Kirkwall, and their stories are legend and being passed around plenty as evidenced by DA2.  

 

All that said, it certainly it not an excuse to have sexuality overly vague in Thedas and to dismiss that it doesn't matter since it's not a big deal in Thedas.  It should matter and does matter because these things -- like representation, normalization, respect, non-heteronormative heroes and role models, etc -- are *meaningful* for us, the players, based out of our reality-shaded glasses.  


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#4125
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Well, she is Skittles and Tequila.

 

Oh gods...sorry.  I have to get this out of my system.  Yes, it's breaking the fourth wall...

 

 

Sera <flirting>: "Soo pretty lady, care to taste my rainbow?  You won't be disappointed."

 

Isabela: "Ooh, that's clever.  I need to remember that."

 

Sera: "Oh stop that, you're not even in the party for this game!"

 

Isabela: "Brat.""

 

Sera: "Withered up pirate hag."

 

Isabela: "That's it,  you little pointy eared big mouth bi...."

 

Varric: "Rivaini, the elf is right.  You're not a party member, so you might want to leave before you embarrass yourself further."

 

Isabela: "And if I refuse?"

 

Varric: "Then I'll be happy to inform the Seeker that you're here.  She'd love to have a "chat" with you about Kirkwall."

 

Isabela: "Er...my, look at the time?  I best be going now, it's getting late."

 

Sera: "Finally!  Now, where was I?" <puckish grin>


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