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[veeia]

Fwiw, I didn't conscript the mages and showed mercy to all my judgments (minus Erimond) and I still got Sera to be my BFF. It just takes time if you get some Greatly Disapproves.

[Duelist]

Also judge the box. End table for orphans.

[veeia]

It's funny because I thought my first PT was very alienating: super pro Mage super pro elf very anti circle/chantry, big on mercy, but I still ended up being everyone's BFF. It's really about time. I'm not doing as long of pTs since that one, and it's harder even with more moderate characters because I'm not taking very quest and every dialogue option.

[Duelist]

About the only one I struggled to make friends with was Solas and even then, gaining approval from him was as simple as asking questions.

[Serza]

Spoiler

 

Meanwhile, Serza Disapproves.

[Roamingmachine]

Snip-Boing-Floppity.

 

That is all.

 

And good morning thread

[YourFunnyUncle]

I thought that the point of Red Jenny caches is that they are a reward for exploring, like the bottle collection...

[veeia]

Eh, I think the reason it's annoying is because it's effectively a way to farm approval for Sera, but unlike everyone else's (except Solas, whose is bugged and he hands out approval like candy anyway with his question kink), it's not easy to figure out or find. Couple that with Sera being easy to kick out, and it just feels like...she's not as prioritized? Harder to friend, easier to boot, ya feel?

I don't mind the basic idea of having to explore, I loved finding the bottles, that's what bothers me.

[veeia]

Without the rivalry system, I think its necessary. I do agree with the fact that its kind of lame in execution...some are better than others though.

And Solas def has one, you know it. Woe to the Lavellan who uses a declarative sentence in bed instead of just saying "you horny? You wanna bang? You like that?"

[Basement Cat]

I wish there was no farming at all. Lame. We should rise or fall by our words and choices. They did a good job with the Divine choice here (hard to game it...at least for now), but not the companions.

 

 

That said.. "question kink". Funny.

One thing that annoys me is the lack of retaliation from the villain. He does it exactly twice. Other than those two occasions it feels like we're easily kicking his butt. I wish there had been more 'official' confrontations. Spies or assassins in Skyhold, deserters from Inquisition ranks, a magical sickness unleashed on us (biomagical warfare?), supply lines cut, etc. 

[veeia]

Look, Cory's got stuff to do. Important stuff. Brooding, crying about Dumat, reading the paper (he's missed a lot!), coming up with really "clever" race specific insults, cradling the orb like a tiny baby while crooning creepy lullabies. making a naughty/nice list for the first holiday after his ascension....you know, stuff. He is way too busy to "engage in realistic warfare with his sworn enemy." Pssh.

[schulz100]

This is going to seem a little weird at first, but I'm going to bring up Starcraft 2 in relation to what seems to me to be a key point of Sera's character, and hopefully by the time I'm done, it'll all make sense to everyone who isn't me.

 

There's a bit of banter between Solas and Sera, where Solas asks Sera what her long-term goal in dicking with/murdering the worst of the nobility is. They go back and forth for a while (Solas even offers tips), but a key point Solas raises and Sera objects to is attempting to reform the system into something better, and Sera only really doing what she's doing because she just doesn't like ****** nobles very much. Sera puts it as" Just lop off the top? What's the do except make a new top to just frig it all up?" And that's really as far as that line of thought ever goes between any of them again.

 

There's a moment that almost the complete reverse in a mission of Starcraft 2 (the first third of Starcraft 2) after you run a prison break and reform a small army of psychic supersoldiers held captive by the oppressive government. One of the key members (Matt) of the resistance notes that the real victory was letting out all the dissidents to the regime, and that the ultimate goal is building a better world. The guy who helped arrange the prison break (Tosh) is very deprecating of this, saying that the current tyrant of the system (Mengsk) will just replaced by someone just as worse if they take him down. When asked why he's even fighting if he thinks it's all so bleak, he responds that he's really only in it to kill Mengsk, and the almost-PC Jim Raynor more or less admits that that's his underlying motivation behind leading the revolution too (I'd recommend looking this up if any of this interested any of you. It's pretty cool to watch). 

 

The thing is, these two instances of characterization are almost identical, yet subtly different so that the perceptions of them and the characters acting them out are ultimately vastly different. For one, even though SC2 is a strategy game, Raynor is basically the PC of the whole ride, and choice-selective missions come up throughout that give varying viewpoints on his character (this potential prison break and admittance that he's really only in this for revenge is one such instance; the other option sees him denounce Tosh as a psychopathic scumbag and project a slightly higher moral standard than only-for-revenge and results-at-all-costs).

Sera holds more or less the exact same characterization as Raynor in the prison break scenario; there's a bunch of high-up people she knows about that she considers utter pricks, so she sets out almost chiefly to ruin/end their lives, while helping out the downtrodden plebs in the process.

 

Yet, Sera, as a slightly annoying though endearing, kinda childish (but often very perceptive and somewhat wise, in her own way) party member takes a lot of flak for having such base, short-term motivation. As far as I've seen, no sort of flack ever got hurled Jim's way for really just being out for revenge against a truly terrible dictator (who he also kinda helped rise to power, but that's somewhat beside the point).

 

Just something that struck me as interesting and inter-game-relational.

[veeia]

It's not weird, it's a good example of how a character can have similar traits to another one, and be read entirely differently.

If Sera was the same type of character but also one or more of the following, she'd have a much better reception, IMO: male, heterosexual, gruff, somber, traditionally eloquent, less abrasive, older, more respectful of the PC, more serious, had an overt tragic past, etc. People carry biases and lean into familiar tropes, and Sera is unique and very human in her particular brand of frustrating.

[AlexiaRevan]

Morning peeps !!

 

Argh my headech isnt gone..and my head hurt....ouach !

 

Its like having a bewbz hangover  But a good one ! 

 

Muh..when I first saw Sera..I though she was childish . If ya take the time to learn and know where she is coming from and why does she do what she does......she isnt childish . If she was..I be the 1st to run screaming down the hill . 

[SardaukarElite]

Does Cory remind anyone else of Jafar? I mean apart from not being menacing, ever.

 

Would have been hilarious (and loving it) if we had a flirt option for Hawke...

 

I want the full romance.

 

Well, the SPEW train kinda derailed, so everyone is jumping on different ones. I ship Sera/Trevelyan.

 

Nah, it's just a different beast. Not for everyone certainly, but it still works.

[YourFunnyUncle]

To me the problem with respect to kicking Sera out at any time isn't that you can do it to her, it's that you can't do it to the others. Certainly once you are made inquisitor, the only person who you shouldn't be able to kick out on a whim is Cassandra, I think.

 

I like the fact that the caches are hidden and although she can recognise them, she doesn't necesarily know where they are going to be. It seems to makes sense in terms of her character. She'd know where they were in Val Royeaux, but for the rest of the world, not necessarily. It's not her territory. I suppose it would be cool to have some mission where you could ask her to put out word to her contacts to add the caches to the map...

 

As to her attitude to revolution, I think she has a point. Whatever political system you have, people will find a way to subvert it and get more power and influence for themselves. I think that the system we have now in democracies is preferable to feudalism, but a lot of the same stuff still goes on. In Thedas, we can see how Andraste tried to forge a better world but it has been subverted and changed by those with the lust for power and people's fears of "the other".

 

Personally, I don't think that means that one shouldn't strive for reform and reconciliation, but I can understand her point of view.

[AlexiaRevan]

To me the problem with respect to kicking Sera out at any time isn't that you can do it to her, it's that you can't do it to the others. Certainly once you are made inquisitor, the only person who you shouldn't be able to kick out on a whim is Cassandra, I think.

 

I like the fact that the caches are hidden and although she can recognise them, she doesn't necesarily know where they are going to be. It seems to makes sense in terms of her character. She'd know where they were in Val Royeaux, but for the rest of the world, not necessarily. It's not her territory. I suppose it would be cool to have some mission where you could ask her to put out word to her contacts to add the caches to the map...

 

As to her attitude to revolution, I think she has a point. Whatever political system you have, people will find a way to subvert it and get more power and influence for themselves. I think that the system we have now in democracies is preferable to feudalism, but a lot of the same stuff still goes on. In Thedas, we can see how Andraste tried to forge a better world but it has been subverted and changed by those with the lust for power and people's fears of "the other".

 

Personally, I don't think that means that one shouldn't strive for reform and reconciliation, but I can understand her point of view.

The issue is always the same Grand Pa . As soon as someone want to leaaadd...it turn to crap . 

 

One to lead them all...that doesnt make any sense to me . How one can speak billions of voices and opinions ?? Impossible . Instead that one...will just speak like those who are like him.....so only a certain group will advance..while the others wait their turn for another someone like them...come around and speak for them . But since we are no asari and dont live for 1000 years.....it just bad someone piled up on another one and so on...

 

I hate politic..and the system..and society in general ..bah...

[Roamingmachine]

To me the problem with respect to kicking Sera out at any time isn't that you can do it to her, it's that you can't do it to the others. Certainly once you are made inquisitor, the only person who you shouldn't be able to kick out on a whim is Cassandra, I think.

 

I like the fact that the caches are hidden and although she can recognise them, she doesn't necesarily know where they are going to be. It seems to makes sense in terms of her character. She'd know where they were in Val Royeaux, but for the rest of the world, not necessarily. It's not her territory. I suppose it would be cool to have some mission where you could ask her to put out word to her contacts to add the caches to the map...

 

As to her attitude to revolution, I think she has a point. Whatever political system you have, people will find a way to subvert it and get more power and influence for themselves. I think that the system we have now in democracies is preferable to feudalism, but a lot of the same stuff still goes on. In Thedas, we can see how Andraste tried to forge a better world but it has been subverted and changed by those with the lust for power and people's fears of "the other".

 

Personally, I don't think that means that one shouldn't strive for reform and reconciliation, but I can understand her point of view.

 

In my view, Seras ideas about fighting "the man" is pretty basic anarchists folly where the anarchists fail to realize that power structures will always form wherever there are more than one people in permanent contact. As she's not really a forward, or any kind of, thinker this is perfectly in-character for her   Though i would have liked her to have a bit more depth to what she does instead of being....Well, young and naive.

 

And about the caches, i don't know if they are there regardless but if you bring Sera to the ball you can ask about them and find them scattered about the palace. More things like this around Orlais would have been cool. Any of them in Val Royaux? Would make sense for there to be some as that was her base of operations.

[AlexiaRevan]

In my view, Seras ideas about fighting "the man" is pretty basic anarchists folly where the anarchists fail to realize that power structures will always form wherever there are more than one people in permanent contact. As she's not really a forward, or any kind of, thinker this is perfectly in-character for her   Though i would have liked her to have a bit more depth to what she does instead of being....Well, young and naive.

 

And about the caches, i don't know if they are there regardless but if you bring Sera to the ball you can ask about them and find them scattered about the palace. More things like this around Orlais would have been cool. Any of them in Val Royaux? Would make sense for there to be some as that was her base of operations.

Hum...

 

Actually it make sense , because thats what she hate . this whole....build a system . Thats why she turned Solas advice about making the red jenny a solid organization . 

 

And I agree with her , cose..just look at Leliana . She went from bard....doing something for her psycho lover..now she has a whole organization . And the more ya care...the more ya get shaped and ya organization is shaped as well . And it doesnt mean its always good ...

 

While she keep it 'Doing it for fun and all anonymous'......she destroy and block any of that 'gonna change and get changed for the greater good'..its like....hum..a block against change it self . Like...a way to avoid to become one more carta or crow....

 

So in a way , she favor her own individuality more then..lets band together for the greater good . Wich in a way is refreshing . Cose its so easy to get lost when ya want to do good...before ya know it..ya are a herald..and have tons of paper work..and a chantry mother blabbering away no stop..AHh tha headech 

[YourFunnyUncle]

In my view, Seras ideas about fighting "the man" is pretty basic anarchists folly where the anarchists fail to realize that power structures will always form wherever there are more than one people in permanent contact. As she's not really a forward, or any kind of, thinker this is perfectly in-character for her Though i would have liked her to have a bit more depth to what she does instead of being....Well, young and naive.

But she precisely does realise that. She knows that someone else will just rise to fill the power vacuum so she doesn't see the point in doing anything more than have fun at the expense of the powerful. She doesn't want a revolution and explicitly says so in her banter with Solas.

[Roamingmachine]

Hum...

 

Actually it make sense , because thats what she hate . this whole....build a system . Thats why she turned Solas advice about making the red jenny a solid organization . 

 

And I agree with her , cose..just look at Leliana . She went from bard....doing something for her psycho lover..now she has a whole organization . And the more ya care...the more ya get shaped and ya organization is shaped as well . And it doesnt mean its always good ...

 

While she keep it 'Doing it for fun and all anonymous'......she destroy and block any of that 'gonna change and get changed for the greater good'..its like....hum..a block against change it self . Like...a way to avoid to become one more carta or crow....

 

So in a way , she favor her own individuality more then..lets band together for the greater good . Wich in a way is refreshing . Cose its so easy to get lost when ya want to do good...before ya know it..ya are a herald..and have tons of paper work..and a chantry mother blabbering away no stop..AHh tha headech 

 

Responsibility and duty are what shaped Leliana, kitten. They come with leadership and weight terribly but someone's got to bear them to keep the world from tearing itself apart so the Red Jennies can be the carefree prankster that they are