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[Basement Cat]

I'm still firmly in my pseudo psychologist armchair, so here's more about Sera. Oodles of spoilers ahead!

 

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It's interesting that her gift quest and her greatest fear share a word: nothing. 'A woman who wants for nothing' and 'the nothing'. No thing. Sera is not materialistic. If you examine her romance path: you need to get quite a bit of approval before she'll enter a relationship with you. She's ok with flirting, but she doesn't want to get serious until she's ready for it. That seems at odds with her impulsive nature. Read her journal (the Cabinet of Wonders Whose It Was.) and you see that she gets stuff and gets ridd of it in a heartbeat. She buys us a hat and turns it into a pinata (of sorts) without a thought. It's just a thing. That's a crucial point: that's why she's wary of entering a relationship. She doesn't want to be tossed aside carelessly once the other person gets bored. She doesn't want to be a nothing.

 

As for her disliking Elves so much, I think it's because most people (ie humans) see Elves as things rather than people. Take Sera and Vivienne to the Winter Palace. The garden where you find all those servants murdered? Vivienne says it's all part of the game (callous b*tch!). Sera is mad as all hell. Sera doesn't want to be seen as disposable. I think that's part of the reason she dislikes 'elfy elves' so much.

 

 

Enough rambling for now. Gotta get ready for work and a long week end of Dragon Age!

[The Loyal Nub]

I'm still firmly in my pseudo psychologist armchair, so here's more about Sera. Oodles of spoilers ahead!

 

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It's interesting that her gift quest and her greatest fear share a word: nothing. 'A woman who wants for nothing' and 'the nothing'. No thing. Sera is not materialistic. If you examine her romance path: you need to get quite a bit of approval before she'll enter a relationship with you. She's ok with flirting, but she doesn't want to get serious until she's ready for it. That seems at odds with her impulsive nature. Read her journal (the Cabinet of Wonders Whose It Was.) and you see that she gets stuff and gets ridd of it in a heartbeat. She buys us a hat and turns it into a pinata (of sorts) without a thought. It's just a thing. That's a crucial point: that's why she's wary of entering a relationship. She doesn't want to be tossed aside carelessly once the other person gets bored. She doesn't want to be a nothing.

 

As for her disliking Elves so much, I think it's because most people (ie humans) see Elves as things rather than people. Take Sera and Vivienne to the Winter Palace. The garden where you find all those servants murdered? Vivienne says it's all part of the game (callous b*tch!). Sera is mad as all hell. Sera doesn't want to be seen as disposable. I think that's part of the reason she dislikes 'elfy elves' so much.

 

 

Enough rambling for now. Gotta get ready for work and a long week end of Dragon Age!

 

I can't find fault with any of that.  I agree with it entirely. I noted her reaction at the ball and interestingly I took Solas and he made no comment. Sera gets a lot of vilification on this board and it's very unfair at times because she does have a conscience and she does care about people. Her nastiest remarks are for nobles and it shows who she stands for. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm still firmly in my pseudo psychologist armchair, so here's more about Sera. Oodles of spoilers ahead!

 

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It's interesting that her gift quest and her greatest fear share a word: nothing. 'A woman who wants for nothing' and 'the nothing'. No thing. Sera is not materialistic. If you examine her romance path: you need to get quite a bit of approval before she'll enter a relationship with you. She's ok with flirting, but she doesn't want to get serious until she's ready for it. That seems at odds with her impulsive nature. Read her journal (the Cabinet of Wonders Whose It Was.) and you see that she gets stuff and gets ridd of it in a heartbeat. She buys us a hat and turns it into a pinata (of sorts) without a thought. It's just a thing. That's a crucial point: that's why she's wary of entering a relationship. She doesn't want to be tossed aside carelessly once the other person gets bored. She doesn't want to be a nothing.

 

As for her disliking Elves so much, I think it's because most people (ie humans) see Elves as things rather than people. Take Sera and Vivienne to the Winter Palace. The garden where you find all those servants murdered? Vivienne says it's all part of the game (callous b*tch!). Sera is mad as all hell. Sera doesn't want to be seen as disposable. I think that's part of the reason she dislikes 'elfy elves' so much.

 

 

Enough rambling for now. Gotta get ready for work and a long week end of Dragon Age!

What saddens me is how so many seem unable to pick up on that. The fact that she has such a distinct perspective/personality inadvertently puts her at a disadvantage in terms of how she is perceived by players.

[The Loyal Nub]

What saddens me is how so many seem unable to pick up on that. The fact that she has such a distinct perspective/personality inadvertently puts her at a disadvantage in terms of how she is perceived by players.

 

They obviously pay too much attention to her bluster which is more a defensive mechanism than anything else. They miss how she really reacts to situations of injustice or crime that shed insights into who she really is. 

[SardaukarElite]

What saddens me is how so many seem unable to pick up on that.

 

A lot of people don't really get analysis.

[Basement Cat]

What saddens me is how so many seem unable to pick up on that. The fact that she has such a distinct perspective/personality inadvertently puts her at a disadvantage in terms of how she is perceived by players.

Mind, it took me time to get there. I did not enjoy her at all at first. Then I took a step back. Then I spotted a few chinks in her armor. Then I took some time to think. She's really like tequila and skittles. The first sip makes you go 'good god, what is that?', then you get used to it and it's not so bad, then you get wasted and it's totes awesome! 

 

Seriously though, she improves if you take the time to understand her. Her personality makes it difficult because the bluster is very in your face. It helps to talk to the others about her, especially Cole. He knows everything.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm still firmly in my pseudo psychologist armchair, so here's more about Sera. Oodles of spoilers ahead!

 

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It's interesting that her gift quest and her greatest fear share a word: nothing. 'A woman who wants for nothing' and 'the nothing'. No thing. Sera is not materialistic. If you examine her romance path: you need to get quite a bit of approval before she'll enter a relationship with you. She's ok with flirting, but she doesn't want to get serious until she's ready for it. That seems at odds with her impulsive nature. Read her journal (the Cabinet of Wonders Whose It Was.) and you see that she gets stuff and gets ridd of it in a heartbeat. She buys us a hat and turns it into a pinata (of sorts) without a thought. It's just a thing. That's a crucial point: that's why she's wary of entering a relationship. She doesn't want to be tossed aside carelessly once the other person gets bored. She doesn't want to be a nothing.

 

As for her disliking Elves so much, I think it's because most people (ie humans) see Elves as things rather than people. Take Sera and Vivienne to the Winter Palace. The garden where you find all those servants murdered? Vivienne says it's all part of the game (callous b*tch!). Sera is mad as all hell. Sera doesn't want to be seen as disposable. I think that's part of the reason she dislikes 'elfy elves' so much.

 

 

Enough rambling for now. Gotta get ready for work and a long week end of Dragon Age!

That's just about my take. To expand on the "elfy elves" thing:

 

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I think she sees the Dalish as the same problem inverted and it's also a reason why she doesn't like Briala. Both in their way are separating the elves from everyone else. She doesn't want that. She wants everybody to be treated the same, regardless of race or who your parents were.

[Basement Cat]

That's just about my take. To expand on the "elfy elves" thing:

 

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I think she sees the Dalish as the same problem inverted and it's also a reason why she doesn't like Briala. Both in their way are separating the elves from everyone else. She doesn't want that. She wants everybody to be treated the same, regardless of race or who your parents were.

Exactly. She's pretty reasonable about nobles too if they're not douchebags. She likes my goody-two shoes Trevelyan. Funny how often she's pegged as one of the 'evil' team mates.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Mind, it took me time to get there. I did not enjoy her at all at first. Then I took a step back. Then I spotted a few chinks in her armor. Then I took some time to think. She's really like tequila and skittles. The first sip makes you go 'good god, what is that?', then you get used to it and it's not so bad, then you get wasted and it's totes awesome! 

 

Seriously though, she improves if you take the time to understand her. Her personality makes it difficult because the bluster is very in your face. It helps to talk to the others about her, especially Cole. He knows everything.

In a way, she reminds me of Thane in ME2, who I thought his troubled personality and deep philosophy made him an exceptionally well written character. While he had his fair share of fans, lots of people regarded him as crazy and creepy.

 

When I see Sera today and what others are saying of her, I find myself taken back to the good old days. I think Vivienne is also the same, though perhaps to a lesser extent.

[The Loyal Nub]

Exactly. She's pretty reasonable about nobles too if they're not douchebags. She likes my goody-two shoes Trevelyan. Funny how often she's pegged as one of the 'evil' team mates.

 

I've seen people state this here and it's such an odd thing to say. I mean if they want to argue that she makes bitchy comments to party members, sure, she does. But she hasn't lied about who she is or had a shady secret agenda like some of the other party members. I was put off by her at first but she has become one of my favorite team members and she does get along with some nobles and mages. It's already been mentioned how well she gets along with Dorian.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Exactly. She's pretty reasonable about nobles too if they're not douchebags. She likes my goody-two shoes Trevelyan. Funny how often she's pegged as one of the 'evil' team mates.

Anyone who sees anything in a DA game in terms of pure right/wrong or good/evil clearly hasn't been paying attention. That or they're taking a position because they like a good argument and/or are taking their RPing of a character onto the boards.

[Basement Cat]

I've seen people state this here and it's such an odd thing to say. I mean if they want to argue that she makes bitchy comments to party members, sure, she does. But she hasn't lied about who she is or had a shady secret agenda like some of the other party members. I was put off by her at first but she has become one of my favorite team members and she does get along with some nobles and mages. It's already been mentioned how well she gets along with Dorian.

The funny thing about that: Sera is pretty judgmental of nobles and mages she doesn't know. She just sees the mess they make. Fair enough. She does take the time to get to know the ones she meets though. Solas is a jerk to her, so it figures she hates him. She hates Vivienne, but Sera just can't let it go. She wants to get under her skin and keeps failing (skitter skitter  ). Dorian is ok with her. Their little insult match is pretty funny too. I'll have to dig up the exact phrasing.

[The Loyal Nub]

The funny thing about that: Sera is pretty judgmental of nobles and mages she doesn't know. She just sees the mess they make. Fair enough. She does take the time to get to know the ones she meets though. Solas is a jerk to her, so it figures she hates him. She hates Vivienne, but Sera just can't let it go. She wants to get under her skin and keeps failing (skitter skitter  ). Dorian is ok with her. Their little insult match is pretty funny too. I'll have to dig up the exact phrasing.

 

I think with Dorian it's a case of he doesn't get offended by her jibes. It rolls off his back and he playfully responds to her. I think she has warmed to him in my game because of that. Viv is nasty to her and Solas is condescending so you're right that she just despises them. I'd love to see the exchanges between her and Dorian posted though as some of them passed so quickly I've forgotten the exact barbs that were tossed.

[Basement Cat]

I think with Dorian it's a case of he doesn't get offended by her jibes. It rolls off his back and he playfully responds to her. I think she has warmed to him in my game because of that. Viv is nasty to her and Solas is condescending so you're right that she just despises them. I'd love to see the exchanges between her and Dorian posted though as some of them passed so quickly I've forgotten the exact barbs that were tossed.

Here you go: courtesy of DanaDuchy

 

 

Vivienne VS Sera because it's hilarious!

 

[YourFunnyUncle]

I've said before that I think that Vivienne and Sera make for an interesting comparison. Vivienne did start off from a position of disadvantage in terms of being a mage and hence cut out of the corridors of power, but she worked within the system and carved out a niche for herself that didn't previously exist. She made herself important without actually seeking to dismantle anything. She can even get to be Divine!

 

Sera was of course even more disadvantaged to start with, being an elf with no access to the education available in a tower, but equally she wants the chance to become more than she was "born to be". Her approach is to rattle the system from the outside. I don't think she sees herself as capable of doing more than causing trouble until the inquisitor comes along, but once (s)he does, it's an opportunity to really help shape a new world. She really wants the inquisitor to see the world through the eyes of the disenfranchised not just the traditionally powerful.

 

Their approaches, talents, and education put them at odds and yet they share one quality - the desire to rise above "their station" and make a difference in the world.

 

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Their nightmare tombstones "irrelevance" and "the nothing" aren't really so far apart...

[The Loyal Nub]

Here you go: courtesy of DanaDuchy

 

 

 

Thank you, good sir! I've got to get to some work tasks now so I'll put the headphones on while I get to it!

[YourFunnyUncle]

Thank you, good sir! I've got to get to some work tasks now so I'll put the headphones on while I get to it!

Cat is a lady!

[Basement Cat]

I've said before that I think that Vivienne and Sera make for an interesting comparison. Vivienne did start off from a position of disadvantage in terms of being a mage and hence cut out of the corridors of power, but she worked within the system and carved out a niche for herself that didn't previously exist. She made herself important without actually seeking to dismantle anything. She can even get to be Divine!

 

Sera was of course even more disadvantaged to start with, being an elf with no access to the education available in a tower, but equally she wants the chance to become more than she was "born to be". Her approach is to rattle the system from the outside. I don't think she sees herself as capable of doing more than causing trouble until the inquisitor comes along, but once (s)he does, it's an opportunity to really help shape a new world. She really wants the inquisitor to see the world through the eyes of the disenfranchised not just the traditionally powerful.

 

Their approaches, talents, and education put them at odds and yet they share one quality - the desire to rise above "their station" and make a difference in the world.

 

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Their nightmare tombstones "irrelevance" and "the nothing" aren't really so far apart...

Oooh! I love this! Have some gourmet chocolates, Uncle.

 

[The Loyal Nub]

Cat is a lady!

 

Oh terribly sorry Cat! My apologies!

[Basement Cat]

Cat is a lady!

A cat lady! Here is my chief minion:

 

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@LoyalNub. It's ok. It's hard to tell on the Interwebz.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Oooh! I love this! Have some gourmet chocolates, Uncle.

 

Choccies! Choccies!

 

*OMNOMNOM*

 

Oh, I'm sorry. Did anyone else want any? Too late!

[SardaukarElite]

Oh terribly sorry Cat! My apologies!

 

In future just call everyone a lady, can't possibly go wrong.

[The Loyal Nub]

A cat lady! Here is my chief minion:

 

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Oh how cute! I love ginger/orange tabby's! I love Cats in general!

 

Here are my three beebs who keep me from going insane :

 

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