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I was raised without any religious culture or overt nationalism or worship of past family heritage, but I have lived in Yorkshire in England for the majority of my life. I speak English, like English Beer, Yorkshire Puddings, Fish and Chips, find a certain type of humour funny etc... All this is due to the culture that surrounds me, which isn't a product of the last few years, but centuries. Had I been raised in China, I wouldn't be the same person.


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I was raised without any religious culture or overt nationalism or worship of past family heritage, but I have lived in Yorkshire in England for the majority of my life. I speak English, like English Beer, Yorkshire Puddings, Fish and Chips, find a certain type of humour funny etc... All this is due to the culture that surrounds me, which isn't a product of the last few years, but centuries. Had I been raised in China, I wouldn't be the same person.

 

I like English beer and Fish and Chips too. But I'm a mongrel from Texas.



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I was raised without any religious culture or overt nationalism or worship of past family heritage, but I have lived in Yorkshire in England for the majority of my life. I speak English, like English Beer, Yorkshire Puddings, Fish and Chips, find a certain type of humour funny etc... All this is due to the culture that surrounds me, which isn't a product of the last few years, but centuries. Had I been raised in China, I wouldn't be the same person.

The type of humor you find funny is not necessarily affected by where you are though. I think a lot of it has to do with your general outlook on life. The British tend to favor deadpan/snarky humor. I hear it's an effect of the weather. :P But they are not the only ones who enjoy snark.


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Do you like Black Books? That's my favorite British comedy.



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None of it is set in stone. Everyone is different and can have varied influences. That's not the point. It's that increased exposure to a certain thing will influence you to a degree, positively or negatively. You may hate where you live and rebel. You may look to influences from elsewhere. The culture still had an effect on you.

 

It's all subtle nuances and shades of grey... (No Cat I'm not talking about that horrid book that you hate. ;))

 

 

Do you like Black Books? That's my favorite British comedy.

How could anyone not like a comedy with Dylan Moran and Bill Bailey? ;)


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I knew you didn't mean upper class stuff. I thought you meant heritage... especially since we were talking about the "past". If you mean prevailing norms, I don't know where I fall. I have an intuitive sense on when not to be a dork. The culture part is probably playing out in my subconscious :P

 

Pop culture was something I looked to at times for guidance. Being mixed race, I had little role models in the racial sense Very confused growing up. I always perked up when seeing people in movies/tv shows that were the same. Keanu Reeves, for one example. Now kids see mixed race everywhere, which is cool.

I know you get Cat's point now, but what you expressed earlier actually reminds me of something I've notice about several real-life friends of mine.

 

There's always some sort of confusion between accepting culture and tolerating it. There's also the fact that many of them don't seem to realize that culture isn't something you choose to be affected by; you are affected by it as long as you are living within it. The only tangible choice you have is accepting or rejecting it (that is to say, how you respond to that influence), as Cat noted, both of which involve a laundry list of other issues that are well beyond the scope of this discussion.

 

But you can't 'resist' culture or say you aren't affected by it, regardless of the circumstances.



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Ah Bill Bailey... Here's one for Cat...

 



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The British tend to favor deadpan/snarky humor. I hear it's an effect of the weather. :P But they are not the only ones who enjoy snark.

 

There's more to it than just snark though. British humour is often self-mocking, their sitcoms are often surrealist. There's a lot of factors at play and they change over time.


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I know you get Cat's point now, but what you expressed earlier actually reminds me of something I've notice about several real-life friends of mine.

 

There's always some sort of confusion between accepting culture and tolerating it. There's also the fact that many of them don't seem to realize that culture isn't something you choose to be affected by; you are affected by it as long as you are living within it. The only tangible choice you have is accepting or rejecting it, as Cat noted, both of which involve a laundry list of other issues that are well beyond the scope of this discussion.

 

But you can't 'resist' culture or say you aren't affected by it, regardless of the circumstances.

 

The kind of things in my surrounding culture growing up were mundane.. not even worth even talking about. I grew up in Texas.. in a city with a small mind. Lots of country music and football. I can say I was affected by it, but only in the sense that I thought a lot of it stupid. I didn't dwell on it. Race affected me more. Imagine being Asian in Texas. Or getting called a "slanted eyed rice cooker". That's always fun.



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I know you get Cat's point now, but what you expressed earlier actually reminds me of something I've notice about several real-life friends of mine.

 

There's always some sort of confusion between accepting culture and tolerating it. There's also the fact that many of them don't seem to realize that culture isn't something you choose to be affected by; you are affected by it as long as you are living within it. The only tangible choice you have is accepting or rejecting it (that is to say, how you respond to that influence), as Cat noted, both of which involve a laundry list of other issues that are well beyond the scope of this discussion.

 

But you can't 'resist' culture or say you aren't affected by it, regardless of the circumstances.

Culture is like swimming: you can like it, be indifferent, hate it, etc. but you can't say you aren't wet. ;)


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There's more to it than just snark though. British humour is often self-mocking, their sitcoms are often surrealist. There's a lot of factors at play and they change over time.

See above. ;)



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There's more to it than just snark though. British humour is often self-mocking, their sitcoms are often surrealist. There's a lot of factors at play and they change over time.

Oh I know. I was summarising for the purpose of this conversation. As for the bolded part, that is true for almost everything when it comes to people.



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great..now we talking about brit??

 

*use brit voice* let test that theory ! 



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Hi Sera. It seems you've grown a bit since last night.

 

 

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Morning lovelies. Goodness, reading lore theories about the black city is making my head spin, but it sure is fascinating!

 

Mornin' Dazzle. Try reading my theory on Fen'harel, if you've completed the game. More heads know more.

 

I like English beer and Fish and Chips too. But I'm a mongrel from Texas.

 

Nice shootin' Tex!



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Hi Sera. It seems you've grown a bit since last night.

 

 

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HA HA I had that too !! and before I saw it was just a glitch..I was like...whaaat ?? More funny if ya are a Qunari  :lol: 



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Hi Sera. It seems you've grown a bit since last night.

 

 

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No wonder she likes Qunari. Doesn't have to look down so much.



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Mornin' Dazzle. Try reading my theory on Fen'harel, if you've completed the game. More heads know more.

 

 

 

Will read after I complete this playthrough. My keep import didn't work last game, so I want to see what happens with Kieran and other factors this playthrough. 



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Anyways.. just to tie the culture thing with Sera again.

 

I just think she takes these views mostly because of Andrastianism (not that she's particularly serious about that.. but it is part of her character and beliefs). She isn't just rejecting elven history --- she's embracing something at the same time. Some people only view her as negating the past.. but she's actively trying to replace it and adding something else. Why should she embrace a past that she is ideologically opposed to? Because she's an elf? 



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I'm now trawling through Bill Bailey clips on YouTube. Thanks Sera thread! :)

 


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Forget the Sera nickname flowchart, someone needs to keep track of the regulars' nicknames here.



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Anyways.. just to tie the culture thing with Sera again.

 

I just think she takes these views mostly because of Andrastianism (not that she's particularly serious about that.. but it is part of her character and beliefs). She isn't just rejecting elven history --- she's embracing something at the same time. Some people only view her as negating the past.. but she's actively trying to replace it and adding something else. Why should she embrace a past that she is ideologically opposed to? Because she's an elf? 

Yeah ya elf elf...why ya want to save everyone ? Go save elf elf..cose humans hate ya anyway..so elf elf...do that cose ya elf elf.....

 

:lol:



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On topic Bill Bailey clip! (Sort of)

 

 

OK I'll stop now.



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Anyways.. just to tie the culture thing with Sera again.

I just think she takes these views mostly because of Andrastianism (not that she's particularly serious about that.. but it is part of her character and beliefs). She isn't just rejecting elven history --- she's embracing something at the same time. Some people only view her as negating the past.. but she's actively trying to replace it and adding something else. Why should she embrace a past that she is ideologically opposed to? Because she's an elf?


She's embracing her own culture (Andrastianism, human city life, etc.) which is simply the one she grew up with.

I doubt she really knows all that much about Dalish culture so I don't see her as negating it and replacing it. I think she worried about 'elfy elves' trying to do the opposite with her own culture though.