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[Lady Luminous]

Pairing him with Sera is key. Varric is good too. The problem with BW is that he's trying to maintain this facade of righteousness, and Sera is one of the few he drops his guard around. Romanced and Clever Quizzie also gets his lighter side.

 

Hm... Bah. I basically don't want to recruit him anymore if I have to hear the puppy story every time!

[veeia]

Hahha. I still haven't heard it. You don't get it if you romance him. I will this time, I'm excited!!

...like, for character analysis reasons. Not because I enjoy hearing about animal death.

[Basement Cat]

Hahha. I still haven't heard it. You don't get it if you romance him. I will this time, I'm excited!!

...like, for character analysis reasons. Not because I enjoy hearing about animal death.

Will you be my BSN waifu? We can analyse characters together!

I'm percolating on Vivienne at the moment...

[The Loyal Nub]

Hm... Bah. I basically don't want to recruit him anymore if I have to hear the puppy story every time!

 

I cringed like you did but when Blackwall steps forward

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to save an innocent about to be hanged I felt he redeemed himself which was what his tale was all about

but yeah it's pretty tough to sit through that bit. 

[Fiery Phoenix]

That might be something too. Like a magical ability that manifests differently from most mages.

I guess that could be why magical stuff creeps her out.

It's almost like she experienced something horrific at some point which left her with such a distinct sensitivity to magic.

 

Think psychological trauma. Might have something to do with how she's so secretive about her past.

[Lady Luminous]

I cringed like you did but when Blackwall steps forward

Spoiler

to save an innocent about to be hanged I felt he redeemed himself which was what his tale was all about

but yeah it's pretty tough to sit through that bit. 

 

Am I terribl;e person that a person being hanged (innocent or not) has nowhere near the effect on me as an animal death does?

[veeia]

Will you be my BSN waifu? We can analyse characters together!
I'm percolating on Vivienne at the moment...

Heck yeah!

I actually wrote up a bunch about Viv earlier in a draft on my computer. I'll post it when I get home in a bit.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Will you be my BSN waifu? We can analyse characters together!

I'm percolating on Vivienne at the moment...

More waifus! That's what the Sera thread needs! *nods approvingly*

[The Loyal Nub]

Am I terribl;e person that a person being hanged (innocent or not) has nowhere near the effect on me as an animal death does?

 

No. I get it. I totally do. Animals and children are so innocent their lives always seem to sort of weigh more than those of adults do which isn't correct, of course, all lives matter but people feel a natural inclination to back the more helpless entity. It's a natural instinct.

[SardaukarElite]

I like Blackwall, he's grounded. Though my Inquisitor netted a lot of disapproval for being too clever.

 

More waifus! That's what the Sera thread needs! *nods approvingly*

 

At some point, Sera thread will actually turn into a dating site.

[WildOrchid]

Am I terribl;e person that a person being hanged (innocent or not) has nowhere near the effect on me as an animal death does?

 

I'm personally more sensitive when it comes to animals, that is true. It's probably the fact i love animals more than random people.

[Basement Cat]

Heck yeah!

I actually wrote up a bunch about Viv earlier in a draft on my computer. I'll post it when I get home in a bit.

Sweet! I look forward to reading it!

More waifus! That's what the Sera thread needs! *nods approvingly*

You're invited! We'll celebrate right here in the Sera thread!

[Lady Luminous]

I'm personally more sensitive when it comes to animals, that is true. It's probably the fact i love animals more than random people.

 

Pretty much. As much as I like people, I'm really not a people person. Give me an animal pen any day of the week over an office of people. 

[LightningPoodle]

Heck yeah!

I actually wrote up a bunch about Viv earlier in a draft on my computer. I'll post it when I get home in a bit.

 

Love at first analysis, am I right.

[Basement Cat]

Love at first analysis, am I right.

As soon as she said character meta was her jam, I was toast. *runs away*

[jlb524]

I didn't hit any banter because I basically went breakup -> Shrine thing -> Blow up the Breach -> Dancing with Ewoks -> Credits. I did a run around of party members and they didn't mention it though. Her Cabinet of Wonders and codex entries change slightly. Her general dialogue - like the Skyhold party - just seemed to snap back onto the friendship path.

I feel like the breakups were assumed to mostly be a way out of content you don't like so they don't really react to it. Breaking the romance there worked quite well narratively I thought, or at least it works about as well as finishing it.

That's likely true though this breakup feels different from the other chances. At that point, you can't even start another romance.... plus it's after all the love confession stuff so it was really serious.

I doubt anything will change in DLC and we'll get just a friend path but I'll keep a breakup save around in case.

Did her tarot card change BTW?

[AddieTheElf]

*Poke thread* see my wifey is back  Hey stellahhhh !

 

her romance with a dwarf is hilarious , and a human too . and easier then with a blasted elf...seriously . 

 

for side quest on the Hinterland , all those starter quests : getting meds for the elf guy , food and caches . More in red cliff , the old elf guy and flower for his wife , mister loosly the ram and she approve of hiring any rogue agent using varric . She will dissaprove of any hiring of Mages , so leave her out of party when you go hire them . 

 

She also get approval if you are an elf , but never use the special Icon and instead rely on Solas . When you get Skyhold and you gotta do the speech (dont pick the reply of Ambassador as an elf , any other race can ) but instead go for 'cose it is the right thing to do' . And conscript either side Mage or Templar (Unless you are Qunari , then ya can have them as ally and wont take much hit) . 

 

she never disapproved when i used the special elf icon.... in fact she approved some times i used it... (though yeah don't use the elf icon when being made inquisitor.) (also allied with mages and got her romance rather easily...)

[ComedicSociopathy]

Does anyone actually know what, "Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan" translate into.

 

This whole Sera might be a reincarnated elven Goddess of the Hunt has me really curious. 

[SardaukarElite]

(...) was her jam, I was toast.

 

Awww.

 

 

Did her tarot card change BTW?

 

Resets to the normal, starter card.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Does anyone actually know what, "Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan" translate into.

 

This whole Sera might be a reincarnated elven Goddess of the Hunt has me really curious. 

I would try Google but...

[Basement Cat]

Does anyone actually know what, "Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan" translate into.

 

This whole Sera might be a reincarnated elven Goddess of the Hunt has me really curious. 

I think 'dirthan' means 'to learn' and 'elgara' means spirit. That's the extent of my knowledge.

[SardaukarElite]

I would try Google but...

 

...you're worried you'll get Solas porn?

[Fiery Phoenix]

...you're worried you'll get Solas porn?

Among other things...

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Does anyone actually know what, "Ar dirthan’as ir elgara, ma’sula e’var vhenan" translate into.

 

This whole Sera might be a reincarnated elven Goddess of the Hunt has me really curious. 

 

That would explain why Solas looks at Sera as "an example of everything we lost, where we don't even know our trueselves anymore". Paraphrasing.

[veeia]

Okay, my disjointed, rambling Viv thoughts.

 

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Viv is all about control, but it's not because she's power hungry like people believe. I think it's very clearly due to trauma she endured as a young mage. Of course we don't get specifics but as always, banter with Cole gives a huge insight: 

 

Inquisitor: Cole, Vivienne doesn't want to talk right now.

Cole: She's afraid!

Cole: Everything bright, roar of anger as the demon rears. No, I will not fall. No one will ever control me again.

Cole: Flash of white as the world comes back. Shaking, hollow, Harrowed, but smiling at templars to show them I'm me.

 

Getting the "gift" of magic is clearly a traumatic event for a lot of mages, because they can't always control it, and when it's noticed, their entire world is turned upside down. They're taken away from their families, stripped of any rights or titles, and thrown under lock and key. We have no idea what Viv's life was like before she was a mage, or how her power manifested, but even if it was all fairly benign, it's still a traumatic experience. 

 

Viv and Sera make a great contrast, because both experienced the loss of control that comes with being on the lower rung, but while Sera's response was to want to throw tomatoes at the system, Viv wanted to get on top of it and make it hers. They both have a rather rigid response to it, Viv pulling inwards to grab the reins and never let go, Sera getting wound up and angry and exploding outwards.  They both want order and stability though, because they are both keenly aware that a lack of greater order is what causes those destabilizing situations that they're both so terrified of.

 

 Another key thing with Viv is that she's the only one who gives approval and comments approvingly to you if you save everyone at Haven. It makes her very happy when leaders use their power efficiently to help the people beneath them.  I think part of the reason Viv is so invested in the direction of the Inquisition, and mages in the Chantry is that she wants the power, not only because of her own control issues due to fear, but because she would use it responsibly and create systems that would protect people. (And she does, if you look at her Divine slides). I think for her, its a bit out of character to start rambling about the little people, because she’s spent so long manipulating Orlesian nobility and her mentality won’t allow her to fully empathize with victims (because she was one, and she transformed herself into something else so she keeps a barrier there) but there are plenty of hints that she cares, and much of her disapproval comes from when you take actions that she thinks endangers the stability of people’s lives.

 

What makes me so sad about Viv is how isolated she is. When she says things like "sentimentality  is not an option" or "my opinion doesn't matter when there are facts", she means it. She triumphs externally at the expense of her internal world. She doesn't form close connections, and when she does (like with Bastien), there are always walls, barriers, rationalizations (he's wealthy and can help her) and she always holds herself at arms length, because she seems to knows from experience that the best way for someone to control you is for you to care about them. I do think that when you get high approval with her, Indira does a great job of ever so slightly varying her tone so that Viv doesn't sound like she's condescending to you, but it's more of a playful thing that lets you in with her on it, if not pulls you in completely. I actually really dislike that you (or anyone) couldn't reach out to Viv more, or have her form something more meaningful. I think they focused so much on her as a badass they forgot how lonely the stoic badass is inherently. I think she and hardened, unromanced Leli have a lot in common there.