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[Basement Cat]

Taking everyones feeling in to consideration is admirable, but ultimately will lead to pretty short conversations. People will take offense of anything. But people are usually free to choose who they associate with and which conversations to participate in. If i'd take to heart everything i hear that offends me but isn't actually directed at me, i would have exploded of rage long ago. This isnt to say that one shouldn't be civil, if not polite, as much as possible. Nobody likes an intentional douche. But i strongly object to anyone getting muzzled just because someone MIGHT be offended.

I was referring more to the bolded part. I like discussions and I don't expect everyone to agree with me (it's actually more interesting when they disagree). I try to see the other person's point of view and understand where they're coming from, but that won't stop me from sticking to my guns if I think they're wrong.

 

But there's a way to have such conversations without resorting to name-calling or rudeness. It's harder with issues we hold dear because then emotions get into the mix and the brain goes all 'get off my lawn!'.

[LightningPoodle]

Negative, Lieutenant.

We do not need that much firepower for peacekeeping operations.

A battalion of heavy armor, supported by a company of heavy artillery will do the job just fine.

 

(That's actually a jab at UN's armed forces.)

 

Very well, we will have a convoy of M1 Abrams on standby, sir. *salutes*

[Sporothrix]

Let's call it open to interpretation and cease the hostilities. Please?

That's the point - WildOrchid didn't say it was open to interpretation, but claimed it's been proven by that source that Sera was just citing what she overheard:

 

The comment wasn't Sera's opinions. Users on tumblr confirmed it.

 

And that source claimed there were quotation marks which is a lie.

 

I didn't say WildOrchid lied, she just believed some source which claimed untrue things. Maybe she didn't remember that dialogue very well. But it will be another story if she keeps bringing that tumblr note to conversations about that remark even after all that has been pointed out to her.

[Serza]

Very well, we will have a convoy of M1 Abrams on standby, sir. *salutes*

 

Understood. What's the sitrep on those Paladins?

[LightningPoodle]

That's the point - WildOrchid didn't say it was open to interpretation, but claimed it's been proven by that source that Sera was just citing what she overheard:

 

The comment wasn't Sera's opinions. Users on tumblr confirmed it.

 

And that source claimed there were quotation marks which is a lie.

 

I didn't say WildOrchid lied, she just believed some source which claimed untrue things. Maybe she didn't remember that dialogue very well. But it will be another story if she keeps bringing that tumblr note to conversations about that remark even after all that has been pointed out to her.

 

Love, lay down your gun. The war is over.

[LightningPoodle]

Understood. What's the sitrep on those Paladins?

 

They are currently going through repairs and will have to be re-armed but should be ready for when you need them, Sir.

[Fiery Phoenix]

That's the point - WildOrchid didn't say it was open to interpretation, but claimed it's been proven by that source that Sera was just citing what she overheard:

 

The comment wasn't Sera's opinions. Users on tumblr confirmed it.

 

And that source claimed there were quotation marks which is a lie.

 

I didn't say WildOrchid lied, she just believed some source which claimed untrue things. Maybe she didn't remember that dialogue very well. But it will be another story if she keeps bringing that tumblr note to conversations about that remark even after all that has been pointed out to her.

I really don't mean to come off negatively, but you've been going on this exact topic for months now and it seems it's going nowhere.

 

I would put it behind you if I were you. I think we've all made our points with regards to the issue.

[Serza]

They are currently going through repairs and will have to be re-armed but should be ready for when you need them, Sir.

 

Not good enough Lt. I want an extra delivery of 155 mike mike by oh-nine-hundred tomorrow.

 

That's also when I want at least a platoon of them combat-ready.

We will keep peace in the thread!

 

*picks up the sound amplifier*

TO ALL MEN AND WOMEN, LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AT ONCE, OR WE WILL BE FORCED TO...

*to Poodle* I can't say we'll shoot them if they don't, can I?

*continues through the amplifier* ...TO ENFORCE PEACE BY DIFFERENT MEANS!

[Basement Cat]

Not good enough Lt. I want an extra delivery of 155 mike mike by oh-nine-hundred tomorrow.

 

That's also when I want at least a platoon of them combat-ready.

We will keep peace in the thread!

You can put those away. I got the special pacification unit.

 

[Serza]

You can put those away. I got the special pacification unit.

 

 

Roger that, Sergeant. Report to first platoon, right on the front. We'll keep the armor and the Paladins as a backup, should Mk.I Jigglypuff fail.

[LightningPoodle]

Not good enough Lt. I want an extra delivery of 155 mike mike by oh-nine-hundred tomorrow.

 

That's also when I want at least a platoon of them combat-ready.

We will keep peace in the thread!

 

*picks up the sound amplifier*

TO ALL MEN AND WOMEN, LAY DOWN YOUR WEAPONS AT ONCE, OR WE WILL BE FORCED TO...

*to Poodle* I can't say we'll shoot them if they don't, can I?

*continues through the amplifier* ...TO ENFORCE PEACE BY DIFFERENT MEANS!

 

*whispers in your ear* Feel free to fire at their feet. We must show them that we will only ask once.

[Roamingmachine]

I was referring more to the bolded part. I like discussions and I don't expect everyone to agree with me (it's actually more interesting when they disagree). I try to see the other person's point of view and understand where they're coming from, but that won't stop me from sticking to my guns if I think they're wrong.

 

But there's a way to have such conversations without resorting to name-calling or rudeness. It's harder with issues we hold dear because then emotions get into the mix and the brain goes all 'get off my lawn!'.

 

Agreed. I'm blunt, moreso in real life, but i don't go intentionally causing offense unless i really am bucking for a fight. No point in riling people up for nothing. Of course the only yardstick i have and am willing to use in measuring what is offensive and what is not is my own sentiments unless a really good point (to my mind) is brought up. *shrugs* Humans...such stubborn animals we are.

[Serza]

*whispers in your ear* Feel free to fire at their feet. We must show them that we will only ask once.

 

That's world war provoking material what you're suggesting, Lt.

*into the radio*

Sergeant, commence operation Puff-Puff! Put 'em to sleep!

*yells* EAR PLUGS EVERYONE!

[Basement Cat]

That's world war provoking material what you're suggesting, Lt.

*into the radio*

Sergeant, commence operation Puff-Puff! Put 'em to sleep!

*yells* EAR PLUGS EVERYONE!

Sergeant? Aw, can I be Special Agent Mittens? 

 

[LightningPoodle]

That's world war provoking material what you're suggesting, Lt.

*into the radio*

Sergeant, commence operation Puff-Puff! Put 'em to sleep!

*yells* EAR PLUGS EVERYONE!

 

 

Has a sense of beauty to it, don't you think. *forgets to put ear plugs in*

[Serza]

Sergeant? Aw, can I be Special Agent Mittens? 

 

 

Sssssh, Agent. Keep it on the down low, we don't want to break your cover.

Errr, Sergeant.

 

 

Has a sense of beauty to it, don't you think. *forgets to put ear plugs in*

 

For the Creator's sake, Lt, how about you REMEMBER next time?

[Basement Cat]

Sssssh, Agent. Keep it on the down low, we don't want to break your cover.

Errr, Sergeant.

 

 

For the Creator's sake, Lt, how about you REMEMBER next time?

Just cal me Sam (Special Agent Mittens) for short.

[SardaukarElite]

I duck out for an hour and the thread gets really weird.

 

That depends on context. In fact one could argue that when it causes problems, it is a flaw. Being independent when cooperation would be more efficient for example.

There's also this crucial point: who suffers the consequences of those traits? If it's the person with those traits, then fine. It's their business. But if it causes problems for other people? Then it could be a flaw.

 

Then the 'greater good' can come and muddle the issue further. It's complicated. But fascinating!

 

But is what's interesting there the balancing of good and bad or that you have a set of rules you can use to predict that character's behaviour?

 

Being head strong can as you say lead to some obvious flaws, but it might not - or at least not as directly. However I think it is still an interesting trait because you have information about what the character will do in a given circumstance. I guess I'm just not sure that characters always need to be thought of in positives and negatives so much as general behaviours. I don't like the idea of shades of grey morality for similar reasons.

 

 

There are real issues here and coming from a stranger it's really hard to tell a joke from a genuine slur. As for the 'sensitive' 'whinging' about it, well maybe you should consider restricting your non pc jokes to your friends, and if they tell you they are not ok with it you stop. Otherwise you're basically telling them that what they want doesn't matter to you and that is just wrong.

 

That.

 

Making a joke by saying something offensive is banking on your reputation as someone who isn't offensive. If you haven't earned that reputation with your current audience then it isn't their fault.

 

Then there's the fact that idiots won't get it anyway and think they're in good company.

[LightningPoodle]

Sssssh, Agent. Keep it on the down low, we don't want to break your cover.

Errr, Sergeant.

 

 

For the Creator's sake, Lt, how about you REMEMBER next time?

 

Spoiler

 

 

Huh... Sorry... must have fell asleep.

[Roamingmachine]

Just cal me Sam (Special Agent Mittens) for short.

 

This mittens?

[Serza]

Just cal me Sam (Special Agent Mittens) for short.

 

Roger, wilco!

*shrugs*

...Sam.

 

Spoiler

 

 

Huh... Sorry... must have fell asleep.

 

About time you woke up, Lt! Operation Puff-Puff was a success. We're outta here.

[Sporothrix]

I really don't mean to come off negatively, but you've been going on this exact topic for months now and it seems it's going nowhere.

 

I would put it behind you if I were you. I think we've all made our points with regards to the issue.

I have to point out again that it's not about whether Sera's words were transphobic or not, but about how the discussion looks like here, especially when there have been stated untrue things about me, that I instantly decided to put a label on Sera from one line that doesn't prove anything at all and call her transphobic as a fact, and right after that a call for end of discussion.

 

I remember very well that when I voiced my opinion about this particular situation for the first time I explained why in my eyes those words were transphobic (which doesn't necessarily mean she's transphobic - I even highlighted that in my comment during that older discussion), after seeing a wall of dismissive attitude and denial, and even attacks on transsexual people who dared to call it out.

 

You guys think Sera isn't transphobic. Maybe I could even agree with that, since we don't know much about Sera's views on that issue. People say stupid things but that doesn't mean they believe in them. Some of you think that comment wasn't transphobic. That I don't agree with so let's agree to disagree, but I hope none of you would ever actually say similar thing. But let's have civilised discussion about it and other issues, not resort to personal attacks and lies just to make a point no matter what.

[CrimsonN7]

Welp this catch up has been... interesting.

 

About Sera possibly being booted out at any time, perhaps it might have something to do with her being a Red Jenny operative yunno if you think her shady gang of "do-gooders" could disrupt the Inquisition in some way I dunno maybe that's why she's available for removal throughout the game. Just a thought as I have heard others speculate other reasons on this plenty.

Also about the trans remark erm I can't really label Sera of being transphobic over one line, and I'm not overly familiar with this side of the community so I'm not comfortable saying anything else on the matter as it is obviously a sensitive matter to many.

 

Annnnnnnnnd in other news hooray my PSN is back!

 

 

I can finally get started on my canon playthrough now. 

[YourFunnyUncle]

You guys think Sera isn't transphobic. Maybe I could even agree with that, since we don't know much about Sera's views on that issue. People say stupid things but that doesn't mean they believe in them. Some of you think that comment wasn't transphobic. That I don't agree with so let's agree to disagree, but I hope none of you would ever actually say similar thing. But let's have civilised discussion about it and other issues, not resort to personal attacks and lies just to make a point no matter what.

 

This right here is the key. I don't think that Sera is or isn't transphobic. I think that it's pretty much impossible tell either way based on one comment that can be interpreted in more than one manner. Even if we read the remark as you do, then it's quite possible that Sera would just need a quiet chat about misgendering and never make the mistake again. I don't think that we can say anything with certainty as we have no other comments from her to go on.

 

She'd probably still hate the person in question for being a noble, but that's a separate issue.