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[Dgyre]

....Re: Sera being easily bootable. Still uncomfortable with that. I try to be charitable and imagine it was a later, rushed job when they realized she was one of the few who didn't leave and had no plot reason to do so? But yeah, I am still bah on that. I wonder if a lot of people's problems with her might have changed if they had been forced to keep her around long enough to get a better idea of who she is instead of being able to boot her immediately, shrug.

 

I thought the two crisis scenes, where she basically feels you are acting too 'big' or because of the Well of Sorrows mission, were both good plot points for her leaving? These didn't work for you?  I mean Sera would be the first one I would expect to tell you to go stuff it if she felt you were not being a good person, so that really fit her character for me?  For someone who likes the character as you do, what about those scenes are rushed to you?  Why are they done poorly?  Maybe I am missing something because of my viewpoint?

 

I will say that I have spent time getting a better idea of her, and I have also re-watched videos on scenes and read about party banter here, and learned alot about Sera. I did this after so many advocates said, get to know her, you will like her.  I still have problems with her, I still don't like her as a character.  

 

Some people are just going to have problems with Sera, she is that kind of character. I am one of them. Its not that people just haven't gotten to know her.  Its okay to dislike her, just as its okay to like her. That is also the mark of a interesting character, and I think its good she is in the game.  But she is the first Bioware companion that I truly dislike.

[veeia]

Lmao. Dorian is really pushy there too.

Blackwall was more reserved and gave this really dorky bow, and then Quizzie does this awkward come hither motion and I laughed really hard

[WildOrchid]

What, so other romances get hugs and whatnot? I thought everyone just stood there...well, now I'm sad.

 

Yeah, Cass gets a waist hug, Dorian hugs the quizzy from back (i think), cullen too. Not sure about Blackwall. But Sera.... sigh. Y u no hold my hand.

 

Like come on, even Sera would like a bit of touchy - touchy moment.

[LightningPoodle]

why? there was a time when were referred to as "colored". poc is an inclusive term meant to express solidarity between all people of color everywhere. I can't object to the idea of that.

 

It's "colour." I despise that term. I also don't like the term "race".

[veeia]

I was referring to how you can boot her at any time in regular conversation and there's no cut scene, she just leaves.

Edit: I completely am cool with people disliking her, that's how it goes, and especially appreciate those like you who make the effort to examine her closer.

[WildOrchid]

http://solas-you-ner...ing-i-want-morelmfaoooo. Click on first pic with the comment first to understand.

[veeia]

Blackwall wraps his arm around you, and Quizzie leans on him. It's cute. Dang, Sera doesn't? Haven't gotten there yet.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I've said it before that I wish those three words were never used but they were and I'm sure that BioWare knows by now that some people were hurt by it. I noticed in the tumbler reply that has been discussed that DG did not comment about the transphobic reference in his reply, they know by now I'm sure the message has been received.

I know those three words can hurt but I won't dwell on it. I worry and hurt for the people who aren't as lucky as I was and can't afford too stop their pain. So many suffer due to the inability to pay for treatment, that makes me sad.

I've had a difficult time since Christmas as I was reading with my 6 year old niece and it was wonderful, especially when she called me auntie Dani. Unfortunately my sister in law overheard it and told her that I'm her uncle, she told her it wasn't true but my sister in law repeated it again. I kept quite but the hurt doesn't stop. I've been legally female for seven years and my brother and his wife still won't accept me.

I will never see my family in a setting like that ever again as I cannot let my brother and sister in law screw with my nieces head anymore than they already have. I can't go through that hurt ever again.

So yeah, I can't get too worked up over what Sera said. Life is much crueler.

That is borderline gut-wrenching. I'm really sorry to hear that.

 

You're an incredibly brave and persistent person. *hugs*

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

It's "colour." I despise that term. I also don't like the term "race".

 

I feel like Sera would feel the same way. Being defined by her race, "elf", really bugs her.

 

Also, what does Sera ever say thats transphoic? Maybe something has gone way over my head?

[Dgyre]

why? there was a time when were referred to as "colored". poc is an inclusive term meant to express solidarity between all people of color everywhere. I can't object to the idea of that.

 

Okay, not to open a can of worms here, or be disrespectful to anyone.  That is truly the last thing I want.  But I agree with Poodle. 

 

It implies all people of color can be referred to as a single collective group

It implies the existence of the opposite group, understood to be 'white' people, who are another single collective group.

It implies that all people of color have some kind of shared experience or viewpoint

 

I am not saying, in any way shape or form, that the past, and present, prejudices and injustice against many different groups is invalid or does not exist.  Its absolutely critical that as a species we continue to move forward towards the goal of all people being equal and treated fairly.

 

But this term, and others like, over simplify the issues and lump large groups of people together as if they are part of the same group when many of them are not.

 

I hope this is not offensive to you, I truly do not want to start anything.  This is my viewpoint, there are many, and I am not saying at all that anyone else's viewpoint of this term is incorrect.  This is just my particular opinion and problem with that specific generalized term.

[CrimsonN7]

 

Some people are just going to have problems with Sera, she is that kind of character. I am one of them. Its not that people just haven't gotten to know her.  Its okay to dislike her, just as its okay to like her. That is also the mark of a interesting character, and I think its good she is in the game.  But she is the first Bioware companion that I truly dislike.

 

Not everyone is gonna like everyone and that's fine. I really really don't like Alistair and so many fawn over him, ugh such a ******. Actually had a major dilemma recently of either leaving Hawke in the Fade or him as leaving em both would have been fine for me. Buuuut seeing as the wardens are in such disarray opted to save him from that fate.

[introverted_assassin]

Here's a serious question: Is the perspective of a POC more relevant to Vivienne or Sera? Vivienne may look outwardly like you, but in terms of Dragon Age lore, the elves of Thedas seem to me to have much more in common with modern day racial minorities in the US (both of African and Native American descent) than any human. How do you pick that apart?

Vivenne is a black woman. There is no mistaking that so it can't...be an afterthought. or shouldn't be at least. From my perspective, she is the biggest representation of me in the game. IRL, black women are stereotyped into being "bitchy" because we have an opinion. All women have this problem but you'd really have to be us to understand how much more negative that is for black women. Most appropiate our lives...our culture...our way...and just a year ago, we weren't even thought to be the default(still aren't). Now we've become everyone's fav accessory which is just...lordt. But I digress.

I'm not 100% okay with the way she is portrayed. Not in the least. So it stands out more because EYE am a black woman vs relating to the struggles of elves(which I do somewhat and I haven't even commented on how it grates on my nerves about how people make fun of them not actually knowing their culture).

My only issue with Sera is that she doesn't grow. Everyone has their own personality in some way but I don't think one could experience the things that happen during DAI and not view life differently. Like...at all. IRL, she'd be the friend that I love too because I'm quite boring lol. But also because she'd be balance...a blunt person who doesn't mind telling you about yourself and in reverse. She'd also be extremely protective of me cause I can be too nice and I would be the same with her. I'm not sure that I could have her as a lover though. I have surprised myself on that front too.

[Serza]

This is sorta on topic, now that you're discussing... err... races, I guess.

 

But I'm never sure how to politely and correctly call people with... err... much darker skin color than mine.

I mean, African-American doesn't seem to cut it if the person's not from America...

 

Aaaand... yeah. Sorry Danielle. That had to suck.

(Damn am I glad people only get pissed at me, and not do that sort of stuff.)

[Dgyre]

I was referring to how you can boot her at any time in regular conversation and there's no cut scene, she just leaves.

Edit: I completely am cool with people disliking her, that's how it goes, and especially appreciate those like you who make the effort to examine her closer.

 

 

Oh!  I missed that you could boot her without a cut scene.  In that case, yes I agree! any time a companion leaves there should be a cut scene at least!

[Sporothrix]

Yeah, Cass gets a waist hug, Dorian hugs the quizzy from back (i think), cullen too. Not sure about Blackwall. But Sera.... sigh. Y u no hold my hand.

 

Like come on, even Sera would like a bit of touchy - touchy moment.

Wait, so lesbian character as the only one doesn't get that? So Traynor's situation repeats itself, as she didn't have some scenes that all the other romances had.

[introverted_assassin]

@dgyre it's not offensive but I must ask if you are a person of color? because unless you are, that is really a moot point because you don't face the bias that we do...everyday...simply for BEing. We are not treated fairly and until that day comes, that term is an act of solidarity. And I will not stop using it. The Black Panther party had a slogan "All power to the people" but the only thing most people saw and heard were black men with guns...even though there were plenty of sisters in there and by the way, were the catalyst for those free breakfast and lunch programs that most people in the US enjoy/enjoyed. They fought for us but wanted to make it clear that they were anti-oppression of all people. Thus the solidarity with many other people of color during that time.

This is my way...and if there are poc out there that disagree with the term, I don't begrudge their choice. It's fine to want that utopian society where this isn't an issue but it still is and what is the alternative to not discussing it or not doing something? Nothing. Sera greatly disapproves.

[WildOrchid]

Wait, so lesbian character as the only one doesn't get that? So Traynor's situation repeats itself, as she didn't have some scenes that all the other romances had.

 

Yeah. :/ I think, i have no idea with Josie.

 

Though, to be fair only Liara had more romance scenes. The rest not so much.

[Master Warder Z_]

I remember her calling other people nicknames

Your approval needs to be fairly high to get one.

[CrimsonN7]

 

Though, to be fair only Liara had more romance scenes. The rest not so much.

 

*cough* best romance option in ME *cough*

 

I'm currently doing a Josie run, I'll let you know if she has a hug scene when I get there oooooooooor I can always google it, that too.

[Master Warder Z_]

*cough* best romance option in ME *cough*

I'm currently doing a Josie run, I'll let you know if she has a hug scene when I get there oooooooooor I can always google it, that too.

Pfft.

Miranda.

[Sporothrix]

Yeah. :/ I think, i have no idea with Josie.

 

Though, to be fair only Liara had more romance scenes. The rest not so much.

I meant meet-up on Citadel scene. Only Sam never left the ship at least until the DLC. But in that DLC they gave us "Commander - eyes up here" scene of her undressing for male Shep's gaze, which took longer and probably took more money than what they did for players who romanced her.

 

If I had to guess, we - lesbian players - are just not as valued by devs as other demographics so they figured out they can save time and money by making cuts on us here and there.

[Roamingmachine]

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.....I want that to happen. Right now. So fricking cool! >.<

[Dgyre]

@dgyre it's not offensive but I must ask if you are a person of color? because unless you are, that is really a moot point because you don't face the bias that we do...everyday...simply for BEing. We are not treated fairly and until that day comes, that term is an act of solidarity. And I will not stop using it. The Black Panther party had a slogan "All power to the people" but the only thing most people saw and heard were black men with guns...even though there were plenty of sisters in there and by the way, were the catalyst for those free breakfast and lunch programs that most people in the US enjoy/enjoyed. They fought for us but wanted to make it clear that they were anti-oppression of all people. Thus the solidarity with many other people of color during that time.

This is my way...and if there are poc out there that disagree with the term, I don't begrudge their choice. It's fine to want that utopian society where this isn't an issue but it still is and what is the alternative to not discussing it or not doing something? Nothing. Sera greatly disapproves.

 

Nope, I am an old white man.  Thank you for letting me voice my reasoning for disliking the term.

 

I certainly don't expect nor would I ask you to stop using it or change your position. 

 

I agree that something, many things in fact, need to be done to change it. There are many ways to do those things.

[CrimsonN7]

Pfft.

 

Jack. 

 

Oh Jack hnnnnng, if only she was bi *sigh*