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#51051
wintery

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The fact remains: you get lotsa approvals from Sera in the Hinterlands. ;) She doesn't care about the little people apparently. :((((((

 

It leads to lots of false altruisim on my part.

 

"I could help all these people now, but then I wouldn't get approval from Sera for helping the helpless. Let them suffer until I get to Val Royeaux!"

 

I am so Machiavellian.



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New Hater logic: You don't get approvals (nor disappovals) from Sera if you save the people in Haven. Therefore she's a horrible person.

Cass doesn't give you approvals either so she must be a horrible being too.

 

The forum misunderstanding Sera could make for one hell of a drinking game...


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New Hater logic: You don't get approvals (nor disappovals) from Sera if you save the people in Haven. Therefore she's a horrible person.

Cass doesn't give you approvals either so she must be a horrible being too.

 

 

Wow. :lol:

Nobody approves of saving those people. Man they must be jerks if everybody wants them dead. Notice they're not around even if we do save them...


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Nobody approves of saving those people. Man they must be jerks if everybody wants them dead. Notice they're not around even if we do save them...

 

Ha.

I mean it's fine to dislike Sera but holy shite the "excuses"....... :lol:

 

Then all of these people are hypocritical too!



#51055
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My boss was playing the game when it first came out (he doesn't anymore), and I remember he was saying something about Sera. I mentioned that most of what she says makes sense to me and he kind of gave me this look.



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My boss was playing the game when it first came out (he doesn't anymore), and I remember he was saying something about Sera. I mentioned that most of what she says makes sense to me and he kind of gave me this look.

 

The "You're fired because she's a b*tch" look?

 

That'd make him a massive jerk.



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New Hater logic: You don't get approvals (nor disappovals) from Sera if you save the people in Haven. Therefore she's a horrible person.
Cass doesn't give you approvals either so she must be a horrible being too.


Wow. :lol:


That's funny...it's like a witch hunt at this point.

Does anyone give approval? I think party members will make comments like "Someone needs help!" but I don't remember approval changes.

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That's funny...it's like a witch hunt at this point.

Does anyone give approval? I think party members will make comments like "Someone needs help!" but I don't remember approval changes.

 

Pretty much. They'll use anything, even wrong facts to paint her as horrible person.

 

Sigh.

 

 

As far as i remember, i didn't got any approval points from saving the people in Haven either but i remember someone screaming that we should save them, but was too busy fighting and getting lost to see who says it. XD



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That's funny...it's like a witch hunt at this point.

Does anyone give approval? I think party members will make comments like "Someone needs help!" but I don't remember approval changes.

Varric gives approval for saving them.

 

That much I'm certain of.



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Pretty much. They'll use anything, even wrong facts to paint her as horrible person.

 

Sigh.

 

 

As far as i remember, i didn't got any approval points from saving the people in Haven either but i remember someone screaming that we should save them, but was too busy fighting and getting lost to see who says it. XD

Haters do that with any character they hate. The things I've seen people say about Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan...



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My boss was playing the game when it first came out (he doesn't anymore), and I remember he was saying something about Sera. I mentioned that most of what she says makes sense to me and he kind of gave me this look.


I actually agree with Sera on all the major decisions with the exception of aligning with What's his name' at Mythal. (I am terrible with names)

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Haters do that with any character they hate. The things I've seen people say about Alistair, Leliana and Morrigan...

It's the same every time BW shoots out a major game. It summons the worst and most hilarious trolls around here.

 

At least it's entertaining.



#51063
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I'm pretty sure that they will have balanced the number of times each companion can disapprove or approve of a certain action throughout the game in order not to make triggering quests and romances too easy or difficult, so purely based on game mechanics, it's likely that occasionally there'll be a situation where a companion might have (dis)approved based on their character, but don't.



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What? Sera was just too busy thinking about the fact she's fighting a MAGISTER and an ARCHDEMON to really pay too much attention.

 

At large, she approves, but had way bigger problems at the moment than "Yeah, you saved someone who's Random NPC #587462 for the rest of the game. Nice. I approve."



#51065
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You can tell they're looking for points to score. They're not interested in actually discussing character, only justifying the hate.

 

I'm pretty sure that they will have balanced the number of times each companion can disapprove or approve of a certain action throughout the game in order not to make triggering quests and romances too easy or difficult, so purely based on game mechanics, it's likely that occasionally there'll be a situation where a companion might have (dis)approved based on their character, but don't.

 

Wall and Bull approve of capping Spawn and Vints respectively. I don't think there's an end to that.



#51066
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Wall and Bull approve of capping Spawn and Vints respectively. I don't think there's an end to that.

 

Fair point, although when does that behaviour start? Not until after you get Skyhold, I think. They could still be controlling approval early on in order to pace things... All just guesswork, of course.



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There are a number of instances where party members do not register approval when you think perhaps they should. I finally did the controversial rams quest in Hinterlands last night after over a 100 hours of play. Ok I've just given a load of ram meat to starving refugees in Redcliffe...Cassandra? Ok Sera? *chirping of crickets* Varric? Solas? Come on Solas buddy...really? Now Viv I expect this from but you guys?

 

So what if Sera doesn't give approval for saving people at Haven! Lame excuse to hate when the approval system seems so arbitrary anyway.



#51068
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Fair point, although when does that behaviour start? Not until after you get Skyhold, I think. They could still be controlling approval early on in order to pace things... All just guesswork, of course.

 

Yes... post-Skyhold I think. It would also make sense that crit path things where approval throttled and other things weren't later in development. Maybe.

 

Another thing to consider is who actually decides what approval gets handed out in these moments. The approval for out of cinematic dialogue things may not necessarily be assigned by a character's writer.



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I actually agree with Sera on all the major decisions with the exception of aligning with What's his name' at Mythal. (I am terrible with names)

 

Abelas? I had to look that up. I thought it might have been one of those Fantasy'Apostrophe'Names I have trouble remembering (and I read fantasy).

 

I don't think I've tried allying with him. I should do that sometime.



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I got disapproval for that, then gained it straight back by switching off Samson's armour with Dagna's rune...



#51071
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There are a number of instances where party members do not register approval when you think perhaps they should. I finally did the controversial rams quest in Hinterlands last night after over a 100 hours of play. Ok I've just given a load of ram meat to starving refugees in Redcliffe...Cassandra? Ok Sera? *chirping of crickets* Varric? Solas? Come on Solas buddy...really? Now Viv I expect this from but you guys?

 

So what if Sera doesn't give approval for saving people at Haven! Lame excuse to hate when the approval system seems so arbitrary anyway.

 

Idk, i got a lot of approval from Sera and Cass with this mission, and also the mission to find the missing ring for the elf wife and many other tiny things. Only Viv was the one i didn't got any approval/disapproval.

 

The approval/disapproval system say a lot for companions, you get a full image about their ideals.



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I got disapproval for that, then gained it straight back by switching off Samson's armour with Dagna's rune...

 

I found it odd that you get disapproval for not allying with Abelas. Seemed out of character.



#51073
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Idk, i got a lot of approval from Sera and Cass with this mission, and also the mission to find the missing ring for the elf wife and many other tiny things. Only Viv was the one i didn't got any approval/disapproval.

 

The approval/disapproval system say a lot for companions, you get a full image about their ideals.

 

Hmm...odd. I was looking for who approved after I delivered the ram meat and there was nothing. But there might be some other trigger at work where I needed to do something else to trigger it there. I don't know. It's so random at times,the approvals, or so it appears.



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I found it odd that you get disapproval for not allying with Abelas. Seemed out of character.

Eh? No, I allied with him and got disapproval.



#51075
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Abelas? I had to look that up.

 

The one with the skin tight chainmail? Yes. Serza approves no doubt.