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[Xilizhra]

Not really what Briala was fighting for, she doesn't want a restored Dalish Kingdom, or any elven kingdom. She wants elves to be equal in Orlais. She considers herself Orliasan, it doesn't seem likely she would want to abandon Orlais completely, she just wants to fix it.

Well, my vision is somewhat different from hers. I'd be happy to let Orlais fall. If the status of elves can somehow be raised... it still wouldn't be good in the long run because societal integration will eventually lead to the extinction of elves for genetic reasons, which is why I think the elves need their own land.

[The Night Haunter]

Well, my vision is somewhat different from hers. I'd be happy to let Orlais fall. If the status of elves can somehow be raised... it still wouldn't be good in the long run because societal integration will eventually lead to the extinction of elves for genetic reasons, which is why I think the elves need their own land.

Separate but equal, huh? Hardly seems like a long term solution.

[Xilizhra]

Separate but equal, huh? Hardly seems like a long term solution.

No, but neither is integration without some way of preserving the elven genome.

[The Night Haunter]

No, but neither is integration without some way of preserving the elven genome.

Last time I checked all ethnicities in America were equal and we haven't merged into one conglomerate ethnicity yet, so..... Just because Elves are equal doesn't they'd suddenly run out and marry a bunch of silly shems. People tend to marry people of the same ethnicity, by an overwhelming majority. Plus it is entirely possible that half-elf and elf pairings would produce elves, so far we only know that elf-human produces human, several generations down is unknown at the moment.

[Sylvianus]

I actually think that something strong could happen with the Dales and the elves. I think I have seen somewhere a Dev saying in an article that we couldn't have Orlais on our side, if we have the Dales with us. I'm not sure though. Maybe I misunderstood.  But if that's the case, then it means that the inquisitor could do really something that could infuriate the whole country.

[Xilizhra]

Last time I checked all ethnicities in America were equal and we haven't merged into one conglomerate ethnicity yet, so..... Just because Elves are equal doesn't they'd suddenly run out and marry a bunch of silly shems. People tend to marry people of the same ethnicity, by an overwhelming majority. Plus it is entirely possible that half-elf and elf pairings would produce elves, so far we only know that elf-human produces human, several generations down is unknown at the moment.

No, every single human-elf pairing, even from a half-elf as the human, produces a human child. I'm fairly sure that's confirmed.

 

I will concede that such extinction wouldn't be necessarily quick, but I do still consider it important for elves to have a home of their own, especially since humans pretty much stole all of the land on Thedas.

[jlb524]

I actually think that something strong could happen with the Dales and the elves. I think I have seen somewhere a Dev saying in an article that we couldn't have Orlais on our side, if we have the Dales with us. I'm not sure though. Maybe I misunderstood.  But if that's the case, then it means that the inquisitor could do really something that could infuriate the whole country.

 

[LobselVith8]

While I agree having such an option would be great, I don't see something that extreme offered as an in-game choice. It's more likely that restoring order to the Empire is part of the main plot, and how you deal with the situation affects the Dales to a certain extent, but the end result is the same (i.e. Orlais is back on its feet). At least I'm not going to be expecting much more than that for now.

 

Given the developers taking about having the option to ignore certain regions (like the Highlands), I'm a bit hopeful that the storyline won't railroad the player into saving the Orlesian Empire if it goes against the character of the protagonist. Playing a Dalish elf who is forced to decide between Celene and Gaspard would be like playing a female Courier who is forced to choose between Caesar and Lanius.

 

Sera would undoubtedly have something say on the matter, though she doesn't seem like the type that exhibits particular interest in politics in general, even if it involves the elves.

 

Sera seems to care about the disenfranchised, from what little has been revealed. Her line about good and bad people does make me wonder where she draws the line, however.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Given the developers taking about having the option to ignore certain regions (like the Highlands), I'm a bit hopeful that the storyline won't railroad the player into saving the Orlesian Empire if it goes against the character of the protagonist. Playing a Dalish elf who is forced to decide between Celene and Gaspard would be like playing a female Courier who is forced to choose between Caesar and Lanius.

It's probably safe to say there will be some degree of railroading, though. Wouldn't be the first time. This is especially likely if the decision to help Orlais turns out to be integral to the main story; if it isn't, I expect more flexibility when it comes to dealing with the situation.

[LobselVith8]

Separate but equal, huh? Hardly seems like a long term solution.

 

Giving the elves a place where they won't be killed en mass in purges, where they aren't at a perpetual disadvantage to humans, where they can have religious freedom to follow the Creators, and where they can be their own masters, sounds like a fairly good solution to me. Certainly better than siding with either Celene or Gaspard for whatever crumbs they might throw to the elves.

 

I'm sure Sera might have some strong thoughts on the matter of an independent kingdom of the Dales (if such an outcome is even a possibility), especially if the survey is still accurate about her culture being the underbelly of the city, rather than elven. I'm uncertain as to how this conversation might be colored if the Inquisitor is Dalish.

 

Last time I checked all ethnicities in America were equal and we haven't merged into one conglomerate ethnicity yet, so..... Just because Elves are equal doesn't they'd suddenly run out and marry a bunch of silly shems. People tend to marry people of the same ethnicity, by an overwhelming majority. Plus it is entirely possible that half-elf and elf pairings would produce elves, so far we only know that elf-human produces human, several generations down is unknown at the moment.

 

The developers have said that the pairings of humans and elves produce human children, and indicated it's likely caused by something magical (that they haven't elaborated on at the present time). This is also mentioned in "The Calling" and "The Masked Empire". We also see the grown children of humans and elves, and they are human; some even speculate Alistair may be the grown son of Fiona because of this fact. Merrill even eludes to this if she's in a romance with a human male Hawke, since their children would technically be human. Given the magical implication involved, I see no reason to compare the unions of elves and humans with real life couples who may not share the same ethnicity.

 

My Surana Warden romanced Morrigan, and my apostate Hawke romanced Merrill, and any children they have will technically be human (including the OGB, I'd presume).

[Hellion Rex]

Why do I think Sera would be a bad influence on Cole, especially when playing pranks lol.

[TheLastSuperSaiyan87]

I remember how bummed out I was about not being able to romance Jack in ME with my femshep - and now I'm so excited about Sera because I haven't really been much interested in any female s/s romances since then until now. I've seen a good amount of people bashing on her looks which I find odd... I think she looks fine, but I'm most excited about her supposedly "silly" personality. Silly meant in a good way of course. I enjoy humor on the road.

I feel the same way about her personality, my FemHawke in DA2 was always sarcastic and witty so I am all for Sera and have they said anything about what the dialogue wheel in DAI will be like? Like will we get to be sarcastic and witty again? Plus about her looks I think she looks great and I like girls with short hair so i'm good. with that I think a post earlier in this thread pointed out she resembles Emma Stone a little. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Giving the elves a place where they won't be killed en mass in purges, where they aren't at a perpetual disadvantage to humans where they can have religious freedom to follow the Creators, and where they can be their own masters, sounds like a fairly good solution to me. Certainly better than siding with either Celene or Gaspard for whatever crumbs they might throw to the elves.

 

I'm sure Sera might have some strong thoughts on the matter of an independent kingdom of the Dales (if such an outcome is even a possibility), especially if the survey is still accurate about her culture being the underbelly of the city, rather than elven. I'm uncertain as to how this conversation might be colored if the Inquisitor is Dalish.

And if they don't want to? 

[LobselVith8]

And if they don't want to? 

 

I don't imagine anyone would be forced to; it would simply distinguish an independent Dales from the Andrastian kingdoms where the elven religion has been outlawed.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I don't imagine anyone would be forced to; it would simply distinguish an independent Dales from the Andrastian kingdoms where the elven religion has been outlawed.

Ah, okay. I was just curious why you you were pointing out the Creators specifically instead of just saying religious freedom in general. 

[LobselVith8]

Ah, okay. I was just curious why you you were pointing out the Creators specifically instead of just saying religious freedom in general. 

 

Because it's basically illegal everywhere else, as opposed to the Andrastian faith, which is followed virtually everywhere else, from significant parts of the kingdom of Rivain to the distant Imperium (albeit Tevinter follows their own version of it).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Because it's basically illegal everywhere else, as opposed to the Andrastian faith, which is followed virtually everywhere else, from significant parts of the kingdom of Rivain to the distant Imperium (albeit Tevinter follows their own version of it).

As long as they don't oppress the City Elves for following their own religions instead of converting to the Dalish, that's fine with me. 

[Maria Caliban]

If the Dalish created a nation specifically for the preservation of their culture, religion, and race, I'd be fine with them punishing public displays of Andrastianism and disallowing any chantries to be built.

Modern concepts of religious freedom hardly fit the setting anyway.

[Divine Justinia V]

I don't think Sera will be too involved with the Dalish, I see it moving Solas more

[The Night Haunter]

If the Dalish created a nation specifically for the preservation of their culture, religion, and race, I'd be fine with them punishing public displays of Andrastianism and disallowing any chantries to be built.

Modern concepts of religious freedom hardly fit the setting anyway.

That's what I see most likely with a revived Dales. With an independent nation based on the CE however, I feel they would be far more likely to stick with Andrastrian the faith, since for several hundred years that's what they've accepted. I'd actually really like to see a semi-devout Andrastrian elf, since they do exist (fanatics from DA2), but haven't really been portrayed yet.

 

Giving the elves a place where they won't be killed en mass in purges, where they aren't at a perpetual disadvantage to humans, where they can have religious freedom to follow the Creators, and where they can be their own masters, sounds like a fairly good solution to me. Certainly better than siding with either Celene or Gaspard for whatever crumbs they might throw to the elves.

 

I'm sure Sera might have some strong thoughts on the matter of an independent kingdom of the Dales (if such an outcome is even a possibility), especially if the survey is still accurate about her culture being the underbelly of the city, rather than elven. I'm uncertain as to how this conversation might be colored if the Inquisitor is Dalish.

I was referencing that it worked so well the first time. Every independent Elven nation has been crushed by the humans, and given Orlais wanted to invade Ferelden (in TME) for shits and giggles, I seriously doubt an Elven nation would last terribly long. Navarra has been linked to Prussia so they are probably fairly expansionistic and militaristic, thus an Elven nation on Orlais NE border would be vulnerable to them as well as the Orliasans. I think the Elves have the best long-term chance if they force their way into equality in Orlais or another, human controlled, Andrastrian nation.

[The Night Haunter]

I don't think Sera will be too involved with the Dalish, I see it moving Solas more

I thought that too, until I noticed Solas has no Vallaslin(sp?, tattoos) so he clearly isn't Dalish. Plus Felassan in TME seemed scornful of the Dalish, and while I don't really think Solas = Felassan I do believe they are linked in some fashion. At the least it is clear that some Apostate elven mages don't actually care about the Dalish. I don't think we will have a single companion who is extraordinarily pro-dalish this time around. And that makes sense since the Dalish don't seem to be involved in any of the major conflicts this go around. We have humans (Orlais Civil War), City Elves (the rebellion), Mages and Templars, Tevinter Mages in 'Evil Plot To Take Over Everything'. I think any Dalish in DAI will be side quests at best.

[Divine Justinia V]

I thought that too, until I noticed Solas has no Vallaslin(sp?, tattoos) so he clearly isn't Dalish. Plus Felassan in TME seemed scornful of the Dalish, and while I don't really think Solas = Felassan I do believe they are linked in some fashion. At the least it is clear that some Apostate elven mages don't actually care about the Dalish. I don't think we will have a single companion who is extraordinarily pro-dalish this time around. And that makes sense since the Dalish don't seem to be involved in any of the major conflicts this go around. We have humans (Orlais Civil War), City Elves (the rebellion), Mages and Templars, Tevinter Mages in 'Evil Plot To Take Over Everything'. I think any Dalish in DAI will be side quests at best.

 

I don't think Solas is Dalish, though I definitely did at first. I think he just cares more about the Elven life as a whole than Sera would.

Don't get me wrong, I think she cares some but not anywhere near Briala.

[Aimi]

Navarra has been linked to Prussia so they are probably fairly expansionistic and militaristic,

As much as I enjoy making jokes about Prussians, there is little to no historical ground for referring to Prussia as any more 'militaristic' or 'expansionistic' than any other European polity. But the stereotype is certainly there, and it wouldn't be too ridiculous to suggest that the stereotype influenced game design.

I personally think that Nevarra is it own thing, because ain't no Prussians ever did the necropolis trip or death magic or whatever. And Prussia wasn't exactly around during medieval Europe anyway.

[LobselVith8]

I was referencing that it worked so well the first time. Every independent Elven nation has been crushed by the humans, and given Orlais wanted to invade Ferelden (in TME) for shits and giggles, I seriously doubt an Elven nation would last terribly long. Navarra has been linked to Prussia so they are probably fairly expansionistic and militaristic, thus an Elven nation on Orlais NE border would be vulnerable to them as well as the Orliasans. I think the Elves have the best long-term chance if they force their way into equality in Orlais or another, human controlled, Andrastrian nation.

 

The Dales is south of Orlais, bordered by the Frostback Mountains that reach into Ferelden. Nevarra would have to invade Orlais before it could reach the Dales. I don't think that hoping for a human nation to show them some mercy is in the best interests of the elves, and the Inquisition could change things in their favor if the elves emancipated the Dales from the Orlesian Empire.

 

I thought that too, until I noticed Solas has no Vallaslin(sp?, tattoos) so he clearly isn't Dalish. Plus Felassan in TME seemed scornful of the Dalish, and while I don't really think Solas = Felassan I do believe they are linked in some fashion. At the least it is clear that some Apostate elven mages don't actually care about the Dalish. I don't think we will have a single companion who is extraordinarily pro-dalish this time around. And that makes sense since the Dalish don't seem to be involved in any of the major conflicts this go around. We have humans (Orlais Civil War), City Elves (the rebellion), Mages and Templars, Tevinter Mages in 'Evil Plot To Take Over Everything'. I think any Dalish in DAI will be side quests at best.

 

There was an interview two months ago that mentioned that siding with Orlais would cause the player to lose favor with the Dalish (although it didn't specify if it was a literal example or a hypothetical one), so the example does infer that the reverse should be possible, and I would hope for the Dalish to play a more significant role, instead of the storyline being human-centric to the exclusion of all else.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Why do people think an independent elven country would be a good thing? it'll just repeat the history of the elves closing themselves off to everyone again attempting to make their immortality myth come true while considering all non elves that dare come near as invaders & enemies that will likely end up with another war that ends with them in a worse position then they were in before they got their own lands. Also, id see the elves that believe in the Maker getting oppressed or killed since i doubt the Dalish would tolerate any other religion besides their own being practised in an elven state.