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[The Elder King]

I don't recall an interview about an Orlais-Dalish choice, even if hyphotethical. Doesn't anybody have a link?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Why do people think an independent elven country would be a good thing? it'll just repeat the history of the elves closing themselves off to everyone again attempting to make their immortality myth come true while considering all non elves that dare come near as invaders & enemies that will likely end up with another war that ends with them in a worse position then they were in before they got their own lands. Also, id see the elves that believe in the Maker getting oppressed or killed since i doubt the Dalish would tolerate any other religion besides their own being practised in an elven state.

I think it would be a good thing if the Dalish weren't in charge. If they were, then it would be as you say. 

[AresKeith]

I think it would be a good thing if the Dalish weren't in charge. If they were, then it would be as you say. 

 

They should take a lesson from the Clans in Rivain

[Hanako Ikezawa]

They should take a lesson from the Clans in Rivain

Indeed. Those were the clan that actually lives peacefully with humans, right? 

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I think it would be a good thing if the Dalish weren't in charge. If they were, then it would be as you say.

A elven state run by city elves that actually co-operate with others could likely work but they'd likely get dominated by the Dalish since they believe only themselves are "true elves" & that elves from the cities need to be taught to believe & behave like they do which will likely create problems with their neighbours again

[Hanako Ikezawa]

A elven state run by city elves that actually co-operate with others could likely work but they'd likely get dominated by the Dalish since they believe only themselves are "true elves" & that elves from the cities need to be taught to believe & behave like they do which will likely create problems with their neighbours again

If so, the Dalish can find their own homeland. If we can help the City Elves get a new home, I won't have them trade one master for another. 

[The Night Haunter]

As much as I enjoy making jokes about Prussians, there is little to no historical ground for referring to Prussia as any more 'militaristic' or 'expansionistic' than any other European polity. But the stereotype is certainly there, and it wouldn't be too ridiculous to suggest that the stereotype influenced game design.

I personally think that Nevarra is it own thing, because ain't no Prussians ever did the necropolis trip or death magic or whatever. And Prussia wasn't exactly around during medieval Europe anyway.

The fact that the Prussian Military was directly linked to the entire nobility and aristocracy.

 

Friedrich von Schrotter, a Prussian Minister, has a quote attributed to him: "Prussia was not a country with an army, but an army with a country".

 

Prussia actively conquered/absorbed minor German states until they formed the North German Federation, and later merged with Bavaria and swallowed parts of Austria to form Germany.

They weren't necessarily more expansionistic that say France, but they were definitely more militaristic.

[AresKeith]

Indeed. Those were the clan that actually lives peacefully with humans, right? 

 

I think so yea, the more benevolent clans

[The Night Haunter]

A elven state run by city elves that actually co-operate with others could likely work but they'd likely get dominated by the Dalish since they believe only themselves are "true elves" & that elves from the cities need to be taught to believe & behave like they do which will likely create problems with their neighbours again

Not likely, judging by the fact that Dalish clans seem to be around 200, with a max of probably 500 or so, I'd say that the CE far outnumber the Dalish. The Dalish can say they are the 'true' elves all they want, but with leaders like Briala I don't think the Dalish would even get a foothold in a CE version of the Dales. Plus the Dalish don't even seem interested in reforming the Dales (mentioned in TME), so I doubt they'd even try to get involved in this hypothetical CE nation.

[LobselVith8]

Why do people think an independent elven country would be a good thing?

 

A kingdom where the elves are their own masters (instead of limited to roles of servitude), where they don't be killed en mass in purges (where the purge in Denerim lead to the massacre of the children in the orphanage, as one example of how monstrous these purges can be), and where the elven religion can be followed (since it's outlawed in the Andrastian kingdoms).

 

it'll just repeat the history of the elves closing themselves off to everyone again attempting to make their immortality myth come true while considering all non elves that dare come near as invaders & enemies that will likely end up with another war that ends with them in a worse position then they were in before they got their own lands.

 

Their neighbor, at the time, was invading all the nearby city-states in a series of Exalted Marches to establish an empire under the worship of the Maker (which became the Orlesian Empire), so I don't think their hesitancy to trust their neighbor was entirely uncalled for.

 

Also, id see the elves that believe in the Maker getting oppressed or killed since i doubt the Dalish would tolerate any other religion besides their own being practised in an elven state.

 

I don't get that impression. The Dalish basically let anyone leave their clan who doesn't want to follow their customs or culture; Aneirin was allowed to go his own way after being taught the old magic, Velanna and those who agreed with her were allowed to leave the clan, and Merrill was also permitted to leave when she wanted to build the Eluvian, despite Marethari's disagreement over her course of action.

[Xilizhra]

Why do I think Sera would be a bad influence on Cole, especially when playing pranks lol.

Given that Cole is a demon, I have some doubts on how bad an influence Sera can really be.

[LobselVith8]

They should take a lesson from the Clans in Rivain

 

Not every human follows the Natural Order, so that scenario is implausible. Let's look at the Sabrae Clan living near Andrastians who resided in the city-state of Kirkwall: the clan had one of their children tortured by templars (who were looking to abduct Feynriel), the clan had to deal with templars looking to encroach into their camp, and the clan had threatens made against them by Andrastian humans in an attempt to convert them to the human religion.

 

I'm not certain what experiences Sera has had with humans, but the experiences the clans have had with outsiders have seldom matched the reception given by the humans of Rivain who follow the Natural Order, as opposed to the Andrastian faith.

[AresKeith]

Given that Cole is a demon, I have some doubts on how bad an influence Sera can really be.

 

We don't know whether Cole is a demon or spirit 

[LobselVith8]

A elven state run by city elves that actually co-operate with others could likely work but they'd likely get dominated by the Dalish since they believe only themselves are "true elves" & that elves from the cities need to be taught to believe & behave like they do which will likely create problems with their neighbours again

 

Some Dalish behave that way, and we have some city elves who look upon anyone who tries to leave the Alienage as "flat ears", and who condemn the Dalish as "savages". The disdain held by some goes both ways. If Sera isn't living in the Alienage, then she may very well have experienced it for daring to live outside the confines of the Alienage.

[The Night Haunter]

We don't know whether Cole is a demon or spirit 

demons are spirits. Demons are just spirits who focus on 'bad' traits like greed or lust or power. Spirits meanwhile focus on other things like faith or justice. Vengeance clearly shows how close spirits are to demons.

[Vapaa]

Why do people think an independent elven country would be a good thing?

 

Because elves would be forever denied to rule any established country and thus would not be masters of their own destiny.

[Divine Justinia V]

[Gwydden]

Because elves would be forever denied to rule any established country and thus would not be masters of their own destiny.

And you think they would fare better on their own? Oh, boy... 

[Lady Noelle]

I want to romance her now! Gimme, Gimme!

[Xilizhra]

And you think they would fare better on their own? Oh, boy... 

What do you expect them to do? Remain subordinate to humans forever?

[LobselVith8]

We don't know whether Cole is a demon or spirit 

 

I'm still wondering how that's going to work out for a player who is roleplaying a character who doesn't trust spirits of any kind. An elven Inquisitor who follows the traditions of the People would view all spirits as dangerous and avoid schools of magic that involve spirits (per WoT) might have a problem, for example. Denial of allowing a spirit into the midst of their eclectic entourage, or does someone like Sera step in and say they will take responsibility for Cole? Sera seems to care about people who are at the bottom of the ladder.

[Gwydden]

What do you expect them to do? Remain subordinate to humans forever?

I'm not against elven emancipation. I'm cynical. If an independent elven nation (wait, not possible, there are at least two big elven nations with different interests and culture!) state ever forms it'll be lucky to last a decade.

[Xilizhra]

I'm not against elven emancipation. I'm cynical. If an independent elven nation (wait, not possible, there are at least two big elven nations with different interests and culture!) state ever forms it'll be lucky to last a decade.

Then there's a long road ahead. Unless you think it's possible for elves to attain equal power within human-founded nations, I believe this is our only option.

[Vapaa]

And you think they would fare better on their own? Oh, boy... 

 

 

It's not a question of capability, it's a question of respect of the species, without an elven nation, the elves are submitted to the will of humans, is that a good thing to let others dictate what is good for you ?

[Neon Rising Winter]

I'm not against elven emancipation. I'm cynical. If an independent elven nation (wait, not possible, there are at least two big elven nations with different interests and culture!) state ever forms it'll be lucky to last a decade.

If being unstable and prone to frequent wars based on cultural differences were a reason a race couldn't form independent nations there surely wouldn't be a human one on the whole continent.