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[KainD]

 What do you know about Sera and her reasons ? Nothing. 

 

Why should that matter? 

[KainD]

Nope. Sylvianus said that people were hating on Anders insulting Merrill because they are fanboy/fangirl of the latter: I questioned if it was in his/her opinion the only way to hate him in that occasion.

 

Well of course there are plenty other reasons other people might find to hate on Anders. 

[jlb524]

It's determining whether Sera is being literal or a jerk about a companion, I'm guessing.

 

Sera is kind of a jerk.

 

She's not happy with Cole being around and she will let everyone know her feelings and won't try to be 'nice' about it.

 

Would you expect her to act otherwise?

[The Elder King]

What is the reason that some people are saying they won't like Sera if she doesn't like Cole, or won't take her in their team, other than the fact that they love Cole ? I've read the comments on this board, and from people loving Cole. I never hated Wynn or Alistair because they didn't like Morrigan. That isn't a reason I find really impressive. What do you know about Sera and her reasons ? Nothing.

First of all, I don't personally hate Sera becuase of what she thinks of Cole. I couldn't care less about it: I'm not expecting that she'll love everyone. I still like her a lot. And I agree that we don't know her motivation.
But no, it's not because they love Cole (or at least not everyone think that), it's because they think she might insult or dehumanize him, and they don't like this approach of her, regardless if she does it for Cole of for Mister X.
So no, I don't think the reason for disliking Sera has necessarily to do because of their love for Cole.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Sera is kind of a jerk.

 

She's not happy with Cole being around and she will let everyone know her feelings and won't try to be 'nice' about it.

 

Would you expect her to act otherwise?

I expect those who have been bullied to not be a bully, yes. 

[Divine Justinia V]

I expect those who have been bullied to not be a bully, yes. 

 

How is it bullying him? We don't know everything yet.

[LobselVith8]

People should look at it from Sera's perspective instead of the player's

 

There could be a lot of reasons to explain why Sera has an issue with Cole. Cole is a spirit, so it's not as though we're addressing wariness between humans and elves, or dwarves and qunari, but with a mortal being apprehensive towards a denizen of a different plane of existence (full of myriad spirits). And different cultures view spirits in different ways; you have Andrastians viewing Spirits and Demons as the First Children of the Maker, you have Dalish viewing all spirits as dangerous (to the point of traditionally avoiding any magic that involves spirits), and you have Qunari viewing the Fade as the Land of the Dead (with the Qun forbidding any Qunari from entering the Fade, and viewing such an act as reprehensible). It's complicated and messy.

 

Since Sera is most likely Andrastian, then she might assume that Cole is a "demon" (to use Andrastian terminology), rather than a "beneficial spirit", since "demons" traditionally inhabit corpses and living beings. Her cultural or religious views might not even be the significant factor here. Perhaps Sera has witnessed the undead killing people, or she's lost friends, family, or loved ones to the spirits who have been coming through the veil tears, or there could be a multitude of reasons why she might be hesitant to trust Cole.

[KainD]

I expect those who have been bullied to not be a bully, yes. 

 

Erm, no it's usually the opposite.

[BubbleDncr]

I expect those who have been bullied to not be a bully, yes. 

 

The thousands of nerds who bully people online would prove otherwise.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How is it bullying him? We don't know everything yet.

If future evidence counters my views, I will change them. 

 

 

Erm, no it's usually the opposite.

The thousands of nerds who bully people online would prove otherwise.

So sad, but true.

[The Night Haunter]

Erm, no it's usually the opposite.

 

 

The thousands of nerds who bully people online would prove otherwise.

Just because the lowest fall into the cycle of senseless hatred doesn't mean we can't hold friends (companions in this case) to a higher standard. Lowest common denominator is not a great way to find anything worthwhile.

[Divine Justinia V]

If future evidence counters my views, I will change them.

 

I still don't see how she's bullying him. We literally know one thing and you're ready to jump to "bullying". That's a heavy accusation from hearing one thing she's called him.

[The Night Haunter]

How is it bullying him? We don't know everything yet.

Calling someone 'it' is bullying. I don't particularly like Cole, and I will almost certainly have Sera in my regular group (along with IB and... Dorian?), but I understand where the other side is coming from.

 

But Sera isn't perfect, neither is Cole, flaws are what make great characters.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I still don't see how she's bullying him. We literally know one thing and you're ready to jump to "bullying". That's a heavy accusation from hearing one thing she's called him.

I don't like bullies. If I see something that seems like it, such as referring to someone as 'it', I'll call it out. 

[WildOrchid]

Sera is kind of a jerk.

 

She's not happy with Cole being around and she will let everyone know her feelings and won't try to be 'nice' about it.

 

Would you expect her to act otherwise?

 

And that's why I love Sera. She's not afraid to speak her mind. If she dislikes/likes you, she will tell you.

 

I very much doubt she hates Cole just because. She has reasons, like everyone else.

[KainD]

Calling someone 'it' is bullying. 

 

Depends. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Elven thief isn't nearly as seriously as murderous spirit? Don't get me wrong, I'm a BIG fan of Cole's, but I see her side without a doubt. Comparing the two is a bit extreme.

People in Thedas have extremely little understanding of spirits/demons and their reaction is largely immediate fear of the unknown. I'm not surprised that Sera or anyone else in the party would not trust Cole. I easily expect a lot wouldn't. But I'm not surprised people in Thedas are prejudice against elves, either, and I'm not surprised that people are afraid of mages. It's a medieval type society where people have little education and a lot of fear of things that are different than themselves. Spirits are the most alien and the least understood group, so of course they're going to cop the most opposition. Mages will be second. People mostly understand what elves can do, so they're the least feared and most accepted, especially city elves. 

 

But, while I can understand where these feelings come from, I still feel compelled not to support them. It's understandable that people in a society like this would fear what they don't know, but supporting that in the long run just continues to foster a lack of understanding. There's a line between reasonable caution and abject fear that puts a wall up against progression. It doesn't necessarily mean I full stop hate the character. I don't like this aspect of their characterization and it could negatively influence the way my character interacts with them. Ideally, change would be nice, but we certainly didn't see that in DA2.

[The Night Haunter]

Depends. 

Not to start on this too much since I'm not terribly invested in this either way, but I've never seen someone referred to as 'it' without the 'it' being demeaning. Even Shale is being demeaning to puny flesh creatures, initially. Later it becomes a term of endearment, but it does indeed start off as low-level bullying. (Our Warden is just too mature to care, about being called it, much)

[Divine Justinia V]

Calling someone 'it' is bullying. I don't particularly like Cole, and I will almost certainly have Sera in my regular group (along with IB and... Dorian?), but I understand where the other side is coming from.

 

But Sera isn't perfect, neither is Cole, flaws are what make great characters.

I don't like bullies. If I see something that seems like it, such as referring to someone as 'it', I'll call it out. 

 

Is Cole alive? No.

Is Cole dead? Supposedly not.

Is he a human? No.

Is he a Spirit or Demon? No one knows.

 

How do you know it's even out of malice, please. We have zero information on this. "bullying" are you kidding me?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Is Cole alive? No.

Is Cole dead? Supposedly not.

Is he a human? No.

Is he a Spirit or Demon? No one knows.

 

How do you know it's even out of malice, please. We have zero information on this. "bullying" are you kidding me?

Because as ghost said, there has never once been any conversation where referring to someone as an 'it' is a positive. 

[KainD]

Not to start on this too much since I'm not terribly invested in this either way, but I've never seen someone referred to as 'it' without the 'it' being demeaning. Even Shale is being demeaning to puny flesh creatures, initially. Later it becomes a term of endearment, but it does indeed start off as low-level bullying. (Our Warden is just too mature to care, about being called it, much)

 

Right, so you walk into the fade and there's a greater wisp there that can talk. What are you going to refer to the wisp as? He? She? You see, spirits don't have a gender. 

[The Night Haunter]

Is Cole alive? No.

Is Cole dead? Supposedly not.

Is he a human? No.

Is he a Spirit or Demon? No one knows.

 

How do you know it's even out of malice, please. We have zero information on this. "bullying" are you kidding me?

The interview specificially states that Sera dislikes Cole and refuses to speak to 'it'. That is hardly zero information.

 

Reposting:

[DA]: You mentioned that the player can choose not to have Cole join the Inquisition. Are the other followers going to have an opinion?

[PW]: Oh, Maker, yes. Vivienne thinks Cole should be safely banished, and Sera refuses to talk to "it" entirely.

 

That clearly demonstrates that, at least initially, Sera doesn't like Cole. Don't be so defensive, Sera isn't meant to be (or should be) an angel. She has flaws, she distrusts Cole (which may or may not be a flaw..... my opinion lean towards not trusting), but that is just a facet of her character. Lets accept it and move on.

[LobselVith8]

Because as ghost said, there has never once been any conversation where referring to someone as an 'it' is a positive. 

 

The issue is Cole is a spirit (which would technically make him genderless), and we have one single line addressing Vivienne and Sera keeping themselves at a distance towards Cole without any narrative context for it.

[AresKeith]

I still don't see how she's bullying him. We literally know one thing and you're ready to jump to "bullying". That's a heavy accusation from hearing one thing she's called him.

 

Hell, Shale calls the Warden "it" and she never bullied the Warden

[Nocte ad Mortem]

It's funny that Anders vs Merrill is the other example being tossed out, because I was a WAY bigger fan of Anders, generally, and I still thought he was a jerk to Merrill. I actually used that as an example of dialog that was difficult for me to handle before. Anders was my LI and I stuck with him to endgame, ran away together and everything, but in his dispute with Merrill I always thought her reasoning was more sound.