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#5726
Fiery Phoenix

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I may have gotten a bit over excited and used too many capital letters, but I asked for a Sera voice actor video. 

I would like them to at least release a full cast video similar to this one, highlighting voice actors for the most important characters. I think that would be neat.

 

I could see it happening considering they did the same thing with ME3 and ME2.

 

Morrigan's coming back and possibly her tent.

 

You can't get more out in the open than having sexy times in Morrigan's tent.

She can use Celene's basement this time. Doesn't need no tent.



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bairdduvessa

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Penguins you say?

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It's a full circle.

i've always said if i am ever an eccentric rich man i shall have penguin minions, one will be named penpen, the another will be named batman



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You know, I sense some animosity towards Sera after it was revealed she refuses to acknowledge Cole. But I think most people are assuming that she is prejudiced against Cole when she might just be scared of him.


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#5729
Maria Caliban

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Prejudice often manifests as fear. President Obama has talked about walking along the sidewalk and listening as white people locked their car doors as he passed them. That was probably motivated by fear, but it's still bigoted.

Anyways, people mentioned Wolverine.

Wolverine doesn't count. I recall walking into a comic book store one day and seeing the dude on 19 different covers. He's like crabs at a brothel; the Avengers have him because everyone has him.

#5730
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Prejudice often manifests as fear. President Obama has talked about walking along the sidewalk and listening as white people locked their car doors as he passed them. That was probably motivated by fear, but it's still bigoted.

 

Sometimes, Maria. But sometimes fear is just fear. If you're running from an chainsaw-wielding maniac, you're probably not screaming in terror because you secretly hate the colour of his skin-mask, which he pieced together from the flesh of his victims.

 

We won't know for sure until the game comes out, but is it really a stretch to suggest that she's a little spooked by the invisible throat-slitting phantom?

 

Wolverine is legally required to be on every team in the marvel universe. As he hasn't spent nearly as much time on the avengers as the twins.

Seriously it's in his contract. Every team. Even the kid teams.

 

He's the best at what he does, which is multi-tasking.


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Ashira Shepard

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Sometimes, Maria. But sometimes fear is just fear. If you're running from an chainsaw-wielding maniac, you're probably not screaming in terror because you secretly hate the colour of his skin-mask, which he pieced together from the flesh of his victims.

 

We won't know for sure until the game comes out, but is it really a stretch to suggest that she's a little spooked by the invisible throat-slitting phantom?

 

 

That's pretty much what I'm assuming her reaction is based on considering that most people in Thedas probably think "demons" very quickly when fade spirits are brought up, mages will know differently, but someone who isn't a mage? Less likely. There's many, many examples of demons doing horrible, unfathomable evil and causing havoc, destruction and the like. So I'm not all that surprised someone might be hateful or afraid of "fade spirits" on principle and not consider them people but monsters who possess little children for evil doings.

 

(Not suggesting Cole is that, I don't know his background, I didn't read the things he's in. I'm just putting my thoughts forward on why someone would have that reaction.)



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Ailith Tycane

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I dunno if I buy the argument that being distrustful of Cole is bigotry. 

 

He's a spirit/demon/whatever who kills people. 


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Morrigan's coming back and possibly her tent.

 

You can't get more out in the open than having sexy times in Morrigan's tent.

Minus Morrigan. She'll be pretty upset when she sees me and Cassandra bumping uglies in her room :P



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Ailith Tycane

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#5735
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I don't really see the problem in a fictional character's attitude on another fictional character being a big deal, I think the human race is becoming a little TOO sensitive these days.



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Eveangaline

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How will Sera and Dorian get along I'm wondering? I'd assume Tevinter Magisters would have a very bad reputation to elves.



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How will Sera and Dorian get along I'm wondering? I'd assume Tevinter Magisters would have a very bad reputation to elves.


I never thought about that. Should be interesting if Sera cares about slaverly in other countries she would have a few things to say about it I assume. Or perhaps Dorian is apologectic about the whole slavery and subjugation of elves and there sera is with the 'just because I'm an elf' line.

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Maria Caliban

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Sometimes, Maria. But sometimes fear is just fear. If you're running from an chainsaw-wielding maniac, you're probably not screaming in terror because you secretly hate the colour of his skin-mask, which he pieced together from the flesh of his victims.


Okay.
 

We won't know for sure until the game comes out but is it really a stretch to suggest that she's a little spooked by the invisible throat-slitting phantom?


This is tangential to prejudice and fear being mutually exclusive or not.

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If Sera cares enough about slavery in other countries

According to the wiki, it's not even just other countries. While slavery is illegal in Orlais, it is apparently not too uncommon for the nobility to have some elven slaves anyway.

 

hm..I wonder if Sera has ever run into elven slaves in her own country.



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Maria Caliban

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I am pondering whether I'd want slavery as part of Sera's backstory.

#5742
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I am pondering whether I'd want slavery as part of Sera's backstory.

 

Probably depends on what the deal is with

Spoiler



#5743
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Wait, so it's bigotry to hate/fear memory manipulating, serial killing demons now?



#5744
HiroVoid

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Wait, so it's bigotry to hate/fear memory manipulating, serial klling demons now?

Well, let's say someone fears guns.  That's okay because guns are capable of killing many people in a short period of time.  Now let's say there were some people who were somehow born with guns grafted to their body that they could use to kill people in the same way regular guns could.  If the same people who fear guns fears them, it's bigotry because that's how they are.



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Well, let's say someone fears guns.  That's okay because guns are capable of killing many people in a short period of time.  Now let's say there were some people who were somehow born with guns grafted to their body that they could use to kill people in the same way regular guns could.  If the same people who fear guns fears them, it's bigotry because that's how they are.

 

But magic is not something aimed at killing people, magic is an ability, that can be used for good or bad.

 

Anyway, fearing something is not bigotry, what is, is shutting yourself and not trying to question your point of view.



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Maria Caliban

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I dunno if I buy the argument that being distrustful of Cole is bigotry.


Wait, so it's bigotry to hate/fear memory manipulating, serial killing demons now?


Has anyone made this argument?

#5747
Ashira Shepard

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I don't really see the problem in a fictional character's attitude on another fictional character being a big deal, I think the human race is becoming a little TOO sensitive these days.

 

The main issue that I've seen is that using "it" to refer to a person is going to upset non-binary or otherwise trans individuals for understandable reasons, given that referring to them by "it" is a way to bully and dehumanize them. Some non-binary individuals are okay with being referred to by "it," as they feel nothing else fits. But for the most part, as far as I am aware, using that without being told they're fine with it is usually a jerk thing to do.

 

The thing is that these stories do not exist in a vacuum. I can look at the story all by itself, sure, I can look at the characters and see how they react to things because of the world they live in, okay. But this world and these characters were still constructed by someone in reality. Someone who is going to have various biases whether they're conscious of them or not and the people those biases are most pertinent to are going to see that in their writing.

 

So, I can definitely see why some are angry regards Sera saying "it."

 

Hopefully some manner of clarification + positive development will occur when the game is out and we can see for ourselves.



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#5749
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I don't think I'll be taking Sera along on my first playthrough at all. She's an abrasive sociopath and a criminal, and I enjoy those characters as much as anyone else, but I really don't see why my Inquisitor would think it an even remotely good idea to involve her in a diplomatic mission. I might actually need to think of an excuse to take her along on my second playthrough too. It just seems so counterproductive. What do you guys think?



#5750
Ashira Shepard

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...I would strongly hesitate to call her an abrasive sociopath, since she seems concerned about finding people who "aren't so bad" and helping them be "not so dead." If you want a better example of sociopathic behaviour, there's Morinth.

 

Did you need to think of an excuse to bring Isabela along? Or Leliana? One is a pirate and the other was a fancy assassin who may or may not have murdered people mid-coitus. (I seem to recall that coming up in a conversation with her...)


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