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#57551
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Thats how I feel about Solas in general. OH BURN.........

 

Nah, hes not that bad. Hes voice is just too monotone to my ears.



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Blackwall's romance is 100% trainwreck but there's tons of content and you can make out with him all the time and it ends happily and it's trashy and amazing. Like it's not for everyone but it's clearly well thought out, integrated into the game, and  is very layered and interesting and gives you like a billion ways to respond instead of leaving you there clutching your face going 'WHAT REALLY??? MY FACE IS THAT UGLY??? COME BACK OK WE'LL GET YOU A NEW EGG??" 



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I was gonna recommend Josephine

 

That would be helpful.

 

Strangely I didn't think of her though.

 

 

Many people are suckers for deities and British accents. 

I don't understand it either.

 

What kind of accent do you understand being a sucker for then?



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Guys, I need you to promise me that the Blackwall relationship is worth it, otherwise I'm going to convince Abaeni that she is bi and have her go romance Sera.



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Read my above reply. I'm in a bad mood.

 

Why are you in a bad mood?



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Here's a somewhat pointed Dalish question: what are the halla for?

 

They drag the Aravels around. They are their kin, and not mindless creatures, lethallan.

 

Uh, I'm am British.

 

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Yeeeah, 'sallright, mate! Innit?


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Pulling the Aravels as they see fit. They are neither cattle nor pets. They are in fact magically created intelligent creatures of Ghilan'nain and the Dalish let them decide where they wish for the clan to go.
Eating one would be sacrilege punishable with a painful death.


Yes yes that's what all the codexes say. But it makes no freaking sense. Aravels look like they would give horses a hard time, let alone deer. And if they're magic deer and can pull that stuff anyway (whatever) then they've got to be eating a lot more than regular deer eat. Regular deer eat a lot as it is; they denude whole forests really quickly when they're not being checked by hunters or predators. In order to get a clan's halla fed, you'd need open pasturage and you'd need to be moving very regularly so as to keep from wiping out any given area. Yet most of the time we see Dalish in forests, because they're supposed to be magic hippies and not a halfway decent thought out nomadic society. (There is also apparently no distinction between summer and winter areas for the Dalish, because of course there isn't. When the Sabrae clan hung out on Sundermount for six freaking years it was highly unusual according to some of the elves in Act 3 of DA2, sure, but one freaking year ought to have been impossible.)

Also, most transhumant societies who herd animals tend to herd animals because of their ancillary products; if they don't live off of a fraction of the animals' meat, they do the milk and cheese thing, or they sell fur and wool, or so on. Yet halla are supposedly not eaten (whatever), they don't have any other obvious product except for the fur and the horns, neither of which is apparently ever removed or sold because many Dalish clans hate the rest of the world and refuse to engage in such nomadically necessary things as trade. Consider the sorts of hoops the player has to jump through in Dirthavaren to get the Inquisition clan to sell them things. That's insane. If real nomads treated every person they encountered like that, they would run out of clothes and probably run out of food, too. Compare the Dalish with the Sami of northern Scandinavia, who practice reindeer husbandry: they eat some of their reindeer, they sell reindeer fur and horns, and they supplement their diets with reindeer milk. Nomads need an animal to be more than just a draft animal - which is all the halla ostensibly are - in order for it to be a worthwhile relationship. Those old American jokes, about the natives using every part of a buffalo, aren't really jokes at all: they're totally true, and they had to be.

The point is that if a real society worked anything like the Dalish, it would've died out within a decade. They don't move around properly, they don't pick the right spots to stop, the animals that they herd are not suitable for husbandry, and their antipathy to trade is in sharp contradistinction to virtually every Earth nomadic or transhumant group.
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Blackwall's romance is 100% trainwreck but there's tons of content and you can make out with him all the time and it ends happily and it's trashy and amazing. Like it's not for everyone but it's clearly well thought out, integrated into the game, and  is very layered and interesting and gives you like a billion ways to respond instead of leaving you there clutching your face going 'WHAT REALLY??? MY FACE IS THAT UGLY??? COME BACK OK WE'LL GET YOU A NEW EGG??" 

 

*gives Veeria a nerf bat and a doll of Solas*

 

Its ok, Veeria. Just pretend that doll is Solas and take out your frustrations on him. ;)

 

 

Blackwall's romance has all the feels. Go for it.



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Why are you in a bad mood?


Over the general quality of current bioware writing. I can't stomach another playthrough of DAI. It's done. Of course elf-bashing posts always brighten up my day...

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Blackwall's romance is 100% trainwreck but there's tons of content and you can make out with him all the time and it ends happily and it's trashy and amazing. Like it's not for everyone but it's clearly well thought out, integrated into the game, and  is very layered and interesting and gives you like a billion ways to respond instead of leaving you there clutching your face going 'WHAT REALLY??? MY FACE IS THAT UGLY??? COME BACK OK WE'LL GET YOU A NEW EGG??" 

 

Thank god. You are so reassuring.

 

Also, this is relevant:

 

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Wasn't Aithne beautiful with her vallaslin before Solas? Wasn't she?!



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Thank god. You are so reassuring.

 

Also, this is relevant:

 

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Wasn't Aithne beautiful with her vallaslin before Solas? Wasn't she?!

 

To be fair to poor Solas, replace Vallaslin with "slave markings" and you'll start to understand how Solas feels. Imagine if Fenris had to look at slave markings on Hawke face all the time. That would end badly. And so it does here as well.



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What?? I can't pick between Blackwall and Sera??? They're my two favorites?? What the hell, are you going to throw Dorian into the mix too??? :lol:

I think both romances are awesome, just depends on what you what. A low key romance with a melodramatic person (Sera) or a melodramatic romance with a low key person (Blackwall)

Personally with a Cadash I'd go Blackwall, and Sera with Adaar after that. But you can't go wrong either way. You'll be frustrated occasionally but ultimately happy with either.

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Replace Vallaslin with "slave markings" and you'll start to understand how Solas feels.

 

Di- did you just try to justify it?



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*Aussie accent*

Yeeeah, 'sallright, mate! Innit?

 

What?



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Yes yes that's what all the codexes say. But it makes no freaking sense. Aravels look like they would give horses a hard time, let alone deer. And if they're magic deer and can pull that stuff anyway (whatever) then they've got to be eating a lot more than regular deer eat. Regular deer eat a lot as it is; they denude whole forests really quickly when they're not being checked by hunters or predators. In order to get a clan's halla fed, you'd need open pasturage and you'd need to be moving very regularly so as to keep from wiping out any given area. Yet most of the time we see Dalish in forests, because they're supposed to be magic hippies and not a halfway decent thought out nomadic society. (There is also apparently no distinction between summer and winter areas for the Dalish, because of course there isn't. When the Sabrae clan hung out on Sundermount for six freaking years it was highly unusual according to some of the elves in Act 3 of DA2, sure, but one freaking year ought to have been impossible.)

Also, most transhumant societies who herd animals tend to herd animals because of their ancillary products; if they don't live off of a fraction of the animals' meat, they do the milk and cheese thing, or they sell fur and wool, or so on. Yet halla are supposedly not eaten (whatever), they don't have any other obvious product except for the fur and the horns, neither of which is apparently ever removed or sold because many Dalish clans hate the rest of the world and refuse to engage in such nomadically necessary things as trade. Consider the sorts of hoops the player has to jump through in Dirthavaren to get the Inquisition clan to sell them things. That's insane. If real nomads treated every person they encountered like that, they would run out of clothes and probably run out of food, too. Compare the Dalish with the Sami of northern Scandinavia, who practice reindeer husbandry: they eat some of their reindeer, they sell reindeer fur and horns, and they supplement their diets with reindeer milk. Nomads need an animal to be more than just a draft animal - which is all the halla ostensibly are - in order for it to be a worthwhile relationship.

The point is that if a real society worked anything like the Dalish, it would've died out within a decade. They don't move around properly, they don't pick the right spots to stop, the animals that they herd are not suitable for husbandry, and their antipathy to trade is in sharp contradistinction to virtually every Earth nomadic or transhumant group.


The Dalish hunt. Just not halla. They trade with humans occasionally, but the stuff in the Dalish camp is meant for the clans use, not for trading and thus the hoops. Also: Magical. Animals. And religion. And MAGIC IN GENERAL. But whatever. Have fun.

Edit: Also: Codex is canon. Your points work in the real world but are invalid in Thedas because it's written that way.

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Replace Vallaslin with "slave markings" and you'll start to understand how Solas feels.


I don't care, I still want to punch him! She is gorgeous and he never once said that she was lovely until she removed a huge part of her persona and image for him. It's so cruel. It was her last remaining keepsake of her dead clan, and she gave it up because she loved him, and it was important to him.

And then he. leaves. her!!
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What?? I can't pick between Blackwall and Sera??? They're my two favorites?? What the hell, are you going to throw Dorian into the mix too??? :lol:

I think both romances are awesome, just depends on what you what. A low key romance with a melodramatic person (Sera) or a melodramatic romance with a low key person (Blackwall)

Personally with a Cadash I'd go Blackwall, and Sera with Adaar after that. But you can't go wrong either way. You'll be frustrated occasionally but ultimately happy with either.


Then I'll stick to the plan I think, because Abaeni with Sera as it is is going to be dynamite, and not the good kind!

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It's so crappy of him, because he's gone and now she doesn't fit in with her people?? Ugh Solas, you adorable ass. My Lav is definitely saying "hell to the no" in that scene. :lol:
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What?

 

My Australian impressions suck. Big time.



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*Aussie accent*
Yeeeah, 'sallright, mate! Innit?

Strewth. If ya gonna try chew the fat like an Australian*, at least fit the bloody stereotype mate :P

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Di- did you just try to justify it?

 

Oh yes, I went there.

 

As Cass says:

DEAL WITH IT

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*note even sure why I'm bothering to defend Solas of all people. Solas, why do you make me feel SO conflicted? lol


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It's so crappy of him, because he's gone and now she doesn't fit in with her people?? Ugh Solas, you adorable ass. My Lav is definitely saying "hell to the no" in that scene. :lol:


And the funny thing is that I mostly got rid of them because the purple on my computer was almost blinding (whereas they were wine burgundy on my tv), but it turns out they gave her face definition and she's not nearly as pretty without them!

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Oh yes, I went there.

As Cass says:
DEAL WITH IT

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*note even sure why I'm bothering to defend Solas of all people. Solas, why do you make me feel SO conflicted? lol


That picture is awesome :lol:

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I was also highly amused that he didn't have a similar offer for my Cadash, who had a brand, which is the closest thing you can have in modern day Thedas to slave markings. I mean as a game thing, it makes sense and I wouldn't expect it, but if you look at it outside of that, I'm like wow, ok your best friend has a literal slave marking but I mean, wev, you're not banging her so who cares??? Lmao.
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I was also highly amused that he didn't have a similar offer for my Cadash, who had a brand, which is the closest thing you can have in modern day Thedas to slave markings. I mean as a game thing, it makes sense and I wouldn't expect it, but if you look at it outside of that, I'm like wow, ok your best friend has a literal slave marking but I mean, wev, you're not banging her so who cares??? Lmao.


Nor did he say to my noble "Get that unsightly thing off your face!"

Lol, god. It's exhausting.

I want to like the romance so much, but there's just such a disconnect and lack of content!