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[WildOrchid]

And? Whats the issue? Is this not how Sera is in game? Sera even admits that shes selfish and joined the inquisition for selfish reasons.

 

She is a criminal, and its not like she hides it. And she does keep what she steals for herself. Her targets might be picked out by what she hears from the friends of red jenny, but its never said she shares what she steals with anyone else.

 

She admits she joined the inquisition for faith reasons. She wanted to see what's all that about the herald of andraste.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

This makes me wonder if we all know the same Sera. I never once heard Sera claim gives any of her stolen goods to anyone else. She might pick targets that deserve it but shes still keeping the goods for herself.

[wintery]

I wonder if Isabella and Morgana are also described as "selfish criminals" in the files with no redeeming note.

[hong]

From Danaduchy's Tumblr:
  <CharacterName> Sera
  <CharacterDescription> Sera is young, raw, frenetic. An activist passionate about causes, but also a selfish criminal. Robs from the rich, keeps it. She’s young and hasn’t thought her beliefs through yet. She is impulsive, and it?’s often not about what’s right, it’s about what’s right now. Has next to no self awareness.

Hah, I knew it! People like to ascribe various political beliefs to Sera, but I always thought she really had none, beyond "stick it to the man".

It's fascinating because Sera is almost like a player character dressed up as an NPC. What she wants is to kill the bad guys, take their stuff, and maybe save the world in the process. She has no more respect for her fellow NPCs than a player would, whether it's making fun of Solas or playing pranks on Josephine. It's awesome.

[LightningPoodle]

She admits she joined the inquisition for faith reasons. She wanted to see what's all that about the herald of andraste.

 

Which, in a way (and I'm not trying to start an argument) is a selfish reason. Instead of joining to help people, she joined to sate her curiosity.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

She admits she joined the inquisition for faith reasons. She wanted to see what's all that about the herald of andraste.

 

Partly, partly she also wants to go back to stealing. Shes a thief, its what she does. For that matter, Kasumi is an unrepentant thief as well. I don't see what the big issue is. Sera is never presented as pure hearted person.

[WildOrchid]

Which, in a way (and I'm not trying to start an argument) is a selfish reason. Instead of joining to help people, she joined to sate her curiosity.

 

Being selfish is good sometimes, imo.

[veeia]

Not really fair comparing those descriptions, imo. 

 

Sera's is to the point, concise, highlighting what makes her unique, not spelling out all the subtleties but still allowing for them. 

 

Dorian's is a bit more babbly and telling. 

 

If I had to guess, I'd say they weren't even written by the same person, because both of those styles seem to fit their respective writer's style a lot (Lukas has complicated characters you have to look closely to see all the nuance, and Gaider's characters are in your face with their neuroticism and its endearing as heck)

 

 And I don't think Sera's makes her sound bad at all, it makes her sound interesting. but ymmv

 

edit: WildOrchid, to be fair, I hadn't seen them, so I asked her to post them.  

[YourFunnyUncle]

Well heck, just be a around to be a voice of some sort of reason I don't know what's going on but I'm biting my tongue from making rather acidic replies here and I generally am not like that. Seems like others have caught the same wave. Welp, time to get drunk. I'm a happy drunk after all

OK, as you seem to think so highly of me, here's what I'd say: I think that it's great that Fulgrim has learned to take a step back from his anger and approach things calmly. That's good and healthy if he was causing harm to himself and others otherwise.

 

Equally though, if one sees injustices in the world and simply sits back and lets things happen, then how will things improve? Sure, don't react with violence, but don't just be passive either. No change ever happened by people sitting at home saying nothing. Where's the correct balance? Now that's truly up for debate.

[LightningPoodle]

Being selfish is good sometimes, imo.

 

I agree. If I buy a big cake for myself, you can be damn well sure I'm going to eat it all myself; in front of everyone! 

 

- Not what you were implying? 

[AresKeith]

Not really fair comparing those descriptions, imo. 

 

Sera's is to the point, concise, highlighting what makes her unique, not spelling out all the subtleties but still allowing for them. 

 

Dorian's is a bit more babbly and telling. 

 

If I had to guess, I'd say they weren't even written by the same person, because both of those styles seem to fit their respective writer's style a lot (Lukas has complicated characters you have to look closely to see all the nuance, and Gaider's characters are in your face with their neuroticism and its endearing as heck)

 

 And I don't think Sera's makes her sound bad at all, it makes her sound interesting. but ymmv

 

It makes her a very realistic character imo

[LightningPoodle]

I just burped and felt vomit come up the back of my throat... 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

Being selfish is good sometimes, imo.

 

It ends up making Sera a better person because I do think she finds her faith in the inqusition. A calling to a higher purpose, even if she wouldn't talk about it much, its there.

[WildOrchid]

Partly, partly she also wants to go back to stealing. Shes a thief, its what she does. For that matter, Kasumi is an unrepentant thief as well. I don't see what the big issue is. Sera is never presented as pure hearted person.

 

Yeah. It's not like she steals from the poor. I wouldn't give a fig for rich people who deserve it tbh.

[introverted_assassin]

Partly, partly she also wants to go back to stealing. Shes a thief, its what she does. For that matter, Kasumi is an unrepentant thief as well. I don't see what the big issue is. Sera is never presented as pure hearted person.

you kids get off my lawn!! *shakes fist*

[veeia]

Yeah. It's not like she steals from the poor. I wouldn't give a fig for rich people who deserve it tbh.

 

i actually could see Sera stealing from a poor person if they pissed her off, lmao. that's partially why i like her so much. she's not self-righteous, she doesn't have these clear ideological divides. she just hates arseholes and rich people are more likely to be arseholes about their property

 

(edit to say, she does have some class rebellion traits for sure, it's not all selfish, but it's more realistically balanced with her imo)

[KaiserShep]

And? Whats the issue? Is this not how Sera is in game? Sera even admits that shes selfish and joined the inquisition for selfish reasons.

 

She is a criminal, and its not like she hides it. And she does keep what she steals for herself. Her targets might be picked out by what she hears from the friends of red jenny, but its never said she shares what she steals with anyone else.

 

I never took the Red Jennies as Robin Hood types in the sense that they simply rob from the rich to give to the needy, but rather do favors for each other, then pass along whatever gold or valuables they can pilfer from their marks. So presumably, Sera would have passed gold along to someone else for doing her a favor, since she likely can't operate as part of this nebulous group while taking everything for herself. But as for stealing in general, I can see her snatching bread and cheese and being a bit of a cutpurse in places like Denerim, sort of like the shifty looking cow in mass effect. Just pass close, and watch your credits reduce.

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

And to furthere keep thiings in perspective. Think about Blackwall vs Sera. Whos the better person. lol

 

Then again, Sten and Blackwall are similar in that flaw but it seems everyone conveniently forgets that Sten butchered a family in a fit of blind rage.

[WildOrchid]

It ends up making Sera a better person because I do think she finds her faith in the inqusition. A calling to a higher purpose, even if she wouldn't talk about it much, its there.

 

Indeed. She wants to belong somewhere. To do things. I do believe she considers the Inquisition her new home now.

 

Which makes me wonder about the red Jenny thing..... as Batman (i forgot his actual username here ) pointed out, now that she found a new home, how her red jennies would react to it?

[wintery]

On more than one occasion, she specifically asks the Inquisitor to use the power of the organization to make things easier for a group of oppressed people she doesn't even know, and will gain nothing from aid to them. That meant something to me, actually. It's far more subtle (less dramatic) than someone swinging in with a rope and showering lots of gold on farmers, to be sure, but I thought it was important.

[veeia]

both sera and blackwall are awesome how dare you *folds arms* 

[Wissenschaft 2.0]

I never took the Red Jennies as Robin Hood types in the sense that they simply rob from the rich to give to the needy, but rather do favors for each other, then pass along whatever gold or valuables they can pilfer from their marks. So presumably, Sera would have passed gold along to someone else for doing her a favor, since she likely can't operate as part of this nebulous group while taking everything for herself. But as for stealing in general, I can see her snatching bread and cheese and being a bit of a cutpurse in places like Denerim, sort of like the shifty looking cow in mass effect. Just pass close, and watch your credits reduce.

 

Actually, I think they keep their stolen goods for themselves. They pay each other back through favors. I help you vs one mark and you help me latter when I need it.

[KaiserShep]

And to furthere keep thiings in perspective. Think about Blackwall vs Sera. Whos the better person. lol

 

Then again, Sten and Blackwall are similar in that flaw but it seems everyone conveniently forgets that Sten butchered a family in a fit of blind rage.

Imagine having Sten and Bethany in the same group? She'd be horrified.

[Dgyre]

you kids get off my lawn!! *shakes fist*

 

HEY!!!! thats MY line!!!!!  *shakes my walker*