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[Jagged Orchid]

You need to submit a 1,000 page thesis explaining in detail why you aren't attracted to men before you can be a lesbian.

 

Even then, it's still iffy, because there is ALWAYS a reason. You can't just be attracted to women. Something has to turn you away from men.

 

 

All joking aside, Sera is a lesbian. If BW did try to pull some stunt that made a past even "turn" her gay, I would be beyond upset. 

 

Lesbians are real. Men and society don't force women to date other women. They don't wait around until the perfect man comes along.

 

Maybe Sera did have an arranged marriage or something planned in her future. Who knows. Arranged marriages are not about love, they are about practicality. Her society wouldn't have cared if she was attracted to men or women. She would get married and do her duty because that was what was expected of her. Same with Nobles etc. They do what is required of them because it is what they are expected to do. None of that however "turned" her into a lesbian.

[Fiery Phoenix]

It's certainly possible that she has rebelled against elven traditions (arranged marriage etc.) because she's gay, but people don't become gay because they want to rebel. Can't she just be gay because you know...she's attracted to women instead of men?

No, I wasn't suggesting she became gay because she wanted to rebel. My wording was mixed up a bit. Edited. 

 

Basically, I was referring to the original theory in the discussion from when Sera was confirmed as a LI, where people speculated that elven traditions might have alienated Sera from them. Reading the stuff about Dorian sort of brought that back to my mind so I was wondering if it could apply to Sera in some way. 

 

All I know is I don't want Sera to come to me and say she was with men before and didn't like it. That would be sooooo unoriginal and tired.

[Maria Caliban]

You need to submit a 1,000 page thesis explaining in detail why you aren't attracted to men before you can be a lesbian.

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Would a couple nude shots of Angelina Jolie from Gia count?

All I know is I don't want Sera to come to me and say she was with men before and didn't like it. That would be sooooo unoriginal and tired.

It's probably 'tired' because a non-trivial number of lesbians attempted to have relationships with men prior to realizing they were gay or coming out.

[Xilizhra]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Would a couple nude shots of Angelina Jolie from Gia count?

You'd need enough for a thousand pages, so you may want to branch out.

[jlb524]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Would a couple nude shots of Angelina Jolie from Gia count?

 

That might get you an A+.

[Fiery Phoenix]

They say a picture is worth a thousand words. Would a couple nude shots of Angelina Jolie from Gia count?

I vote yes.

 

Should be CE exclusive.

 

Maybe Sera did have an arranged marriage or something planned in her future. Who knows. Arranged marriages are not about love, they are about practicality. Her society wouldn't have cared if she was attracted to men or women. She would get married and do her duty because that was what was expected of her. Same with Nobles etc. They do what is required of them because it is what they are expected to do. None of that however "turned" her into a lesbian.

If it's brought up at all, I would LOVE Sera to concede her disagreement with elven traditions and simply say she is who she is.

 

I seriously don't want her to say anything that implies she was in a relationship with a man before and 'didn't like it'.

[Xilizhra]

If it's brought up at all, I would LOVE Sera to concede her disagreement with elven traditions and simply say she is who she is.

 

I seriously don't want her to say anything that implies she was in a relationship with a man before and 'didn't like it'.

Admittedly, this would be better than what my lesbian CE Warden got during the origin story, i.e. nothing.

[Maria Caliban]

You'd need enough for a thousand pages, so you may want to branch out.

Oh, I get it. This is all an elaborate scheme to get into my porn stash.

I'm on to you, Xil. o.O

[Xilizhra]

Oh, I get it. This is all an elaborate scheme to get into my porn stash.

I'm on to you, Xil. o.O

I'd be entirely happy to trade you mine; the Lesbian Auditors surely wouldn't notice a small amount of shared desires.

[ThomasBlaine]

I might recommend that you depart this tangent about one's sexual orientation being "affected" by societal traditions before this all gets very messy.

 

And Dorian was affected by his sexuality; his sexuality wasn't affected.

 

Don't be so testy, it's perfectly possible for someone to convince themselves they have a particular sexual orientation, whether to rebel against or conform to expectations. Sera is stated to be an exclusively lesbian option which just means there there's no chance of convincing her that she's straight and taking advantage of the fact, and the same goes for Dorian, regardless of their actual sexualities. The idea that either of their orientations could have been influenced by their situations is perfectly viable, if not exactly supported by canon. It's an intriguing notion, that's all.

[Jagged Orchid]

 

If it's brought up at all, I would LOVE Sera to concede her disagreement with elven traditions and simply say she is who she is.

 

I seriously don't want her to say anything that implies she was in a relationship with a man before and 'didn't like it'.

 

If she had been with relationships with men in the past, so what? That doesn't make her any less of a lesbian. We live in such a heteronormative society that that kind of thing happens all the time. A lot of lesbians don't realize that they are in fact a lesbian until after they have been with men. Or more often than not, they do realize it, but do it anyway. At least now she knows who she is and is able to be herself. 

 

My point is, so long as she isn't a lesbian because of some past trauma or something, I don't really care how she came to accept that she is a lesbian, just that she does accept it. 

[WildOrchid]

If she had been with relationships with men in the past, so what? That doesn't make her any less of a lesbian. We live in such a heteronormative society that that kind of thing happens all the time. A lot of lesbians don't realize that they are in fact a lesbian until after they have been with men. Or more often than not, they do realize it, but do it anyway. At least now she knows who she is and is able to be herself. 

 

My point is, so long as she isn't a lesbian because of some past trauma or something, I don't really care how she came to accept that she is a lesbian, just that she does accept it. 

 

True.

 

But a lot of lesbians have never been with men either *raises hand and waves* so, personally, i'd prefer her to not mention men at all. The media and most people ignore the fact that some lesbians have never been with men and it's kinda frustrating. Sera being gay because she just is, without some 'trauma' or her mentioning being with a dude and not liking it, would be very much appreciated and refreshing.

[Fiery Phoenix]

If she had been with relationships with men in the past, so what? That doesn't make her any less of a lesbian. We live in such a heteronormative society that that kind of thing happens all the time. A lot of lesbians don't realize that they are in fact a lesbian until after they have been with men. Or more often than not, they do realize it, but do it anyway. At least now she knows who she is and is able to be herself.

Saying she was with men isn't a bad idea per se, but saying she was with men and 'didn't like it' as a way of justifying herself is what I don't want to see.

 

She is who she is. She doesn't need to do that. We don't need to hear mention it. If it must be mentioned, I hope it is at least related to how she viewed elven traditions as opposed to her past personal experience in relationships.

[Jagged Orchid]

True.

 

But a lot of lesbians have never been with men either *raises hand and waves* so, personally, i'd prefer her to not mention men at all. The media and most people ignore the fact that some lesbians have never been with men and it's kinda frustrating. Sera being gay because she just is, without some 'trauma' or her mentioning being with a dude and not liking it, would be very much appreciated and refreshing.

 

I completely agree with you. I'd much rather she didn't mention it at all. I'd like for things to be more carefree and lighthearted personally. I'd rather the relationship wasn't some giant angst fest. 

 

I guess, what I'm trying to say is that I just don't want her being a lesbian to have anything to do with a traumatic past or being under the belief that something caused her to turn gay. If she has been with some dude in the past fine. Whatever.

 

I just don't want the relationship to focus too much on the fact that she is a lesbian... Just that, yes Sera is a lesbian, she accepts that she is a lesbian, she is not questioning her sexuality etc. 

 

Maybe I'm not making sense, I don't know. It wouldn't be the first time. 

[WildOrchid]

No worries, i get what you mean.

[Xilizhra]

I completely agree with you. I'd much rather she didn't mention it at all. I'd like for things to be more carefree and lighthearted personally. I'd rather the relationship wasn't some giant angst fest. 

 

I guess, what I'm trying to say is that I just don't want her being a lesbian to have anything to do with a traumatic past or being under the belief that something caused her to turn gay. If she has been with some dude in the past fine. Whatever.

 

I just don't want the relationship to focus too much on the fact that she is a lesbian... Just that, yes Sera is a lesbian, she accepts that she is a lesbian, she is not questioning her sexuality etc. 

 

Maybe I'm not making sense, I don't know. It wouldn't be the first time. 

Actually, would it be so bad for her to be questioning her sexuality as long as she's still only available as a romance for female Inquisitors? That could be quite a heartwarming story, though it might not be in keeping with Sera's character.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Sera being gay because she just is, without some 'trauma' or her mentioning being with a dude and not liking it, would be very much appreciated and refreshing.

That is precisely what I've been trying to say.

 

Ideally, no story should be associated with Sera's sexuality. She is who she is.

[Maria Caliban]

There are stories associated with Zevran, Morrigan, Leliana, Anders, and Isabela's sexuality.

No one just is who they are.

[Fiery Phoenix]

There are stories associated with Zevran, Morrigan, Leliana, Anders, and Isabela's sexuality.

No one just is who they are.

If the story is a justification, that would be something I don't want to see in Sera's case for the reasons noted earlier.

[WildOrchid]

She could just mention adventures with women without any past with a dude.

[Xilizhra]

Personally I would prefer that she's confident and proud of her sexual orientation. Cassandra on the other hand (if she is available to females) I would be fine with that scenario.

Possibly best, although I'm a bit leery of such a storyline being used for a bisexual woman, as a male PC might be interpreted as leading her back into straightness. Which is why I'd like it most with a wholly lesbian LI.

[Cyberstrike nTo]

I completely agree with you. I'd much rather she didn't mention it at all. I'd like for things to be more carefree and lighthearted personally. I'd rather the relationship wasn't some giant angst fest. 

 

I guess, what I'm trying to say is that I just don't want her being a lesbian to have anything to do with a traumatic past or being under the belief that something caused her to turn gay. If she has been with some dude in the past fine. Whatever.

 

I just don't want the relationship to focus too much on the fact that she is a lesbian... Just that, yes Sera is a lesbian, she accepts that she is a lesbian, she is not questioning her sexuality etc. 

 

Maybe I'm not making sense, I don't know. It wouldn't be the first time. 

 

Works for me.

 

 

[WildOrchid]

Possibly best, although I'm a bit leery of such a storyline being used for a bisexual woman, as a male PC might be interpreted as leading her back into straightness. Which is why I'd like it most with a wholly lesbian LI.

 

I think the same would happen with a lesbian since a male would think she's 'confused of her sexuality and she just needs a good man'.

Sera is already gay, meaning she knows her sexuality. How would she possibly be confused?