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#59001
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Oh, I have information.

What's the audience you're presenting to, and what sort of presentation does it have to be?

For what it's worth, so long as it's Gymnasium-level or above (are you at uni?), I'd recommend starting out with the best modern standbys. For the Crusading phenomenon as a whole, Thomas Asbridge and Christopher Tyerman have both written outstanding single-volume histories. Asbridge also produced an excellent volume on the First Crusade. Those should be your starting points; if you're just going to ask me, be forewarned that I'm going to pull directly from them. :P

 

The information has to be presented in an info graphic. It can be on any of the crusades. Probably Middle East but I don't really mind so long as there is enough information to put down on paper.

 

I don't have those books on hand so if you wouldn't mind...

 

You have to be more spesific here.... The crusades to the middle east? The baltic crusades? Other crusades? So many of them! O_O

 

Didn't realise there were loads. The most interesting one, maybe?



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Some of the best photographers nowadays utilise compact cameras. You can get some really interesting photos using those and they cost next to nothing.

It all depends on the light and how big the print is you need to make from them, but yeah. The old adage "the best camera is the one you have with you" holds true very often. Also these days there are some real high-quality compacts around. I personally shoot micro 4/3, which many scoff at due to the smaller sensor size and comparative lack of control over depth of field compared to bulkier SLRs, but I like the portability of it. It's somewhere between a full-on SLR system and a compact and it suits my needs well.

 

 



....Besides, every photographer knows that it's the light and composition that make the shot. Gear just provide extra tools for spesific situations :)  *photographer fist bump*

Agreed. And getting up early to be in the right place at the right time can help...

 

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Mont Blanc Massif at Sunrise by Your Funny Uncle, on Flickr


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Agreed. And getting up early to be in the right place at the right time can help...

 

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Mont Blanc Massif at Sunrise by Your Funny Uncle, on Flickr

 

That is (and excuse my swearing) f*cking beautiful! I want to see places like that with my own eyes!



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It all depends on the light and how big the print is you need to make from them, but yeah. The old adage "the best camera is the one you have with you" holds true very often. Also these days there are some real high-quality compacts around. I personally shoot micro 4/3, which many scoff at due to the smaller sensor size and comparative lack of control over depth of field compared to bulkier SLRs, but I like the portability of it. It's somewhere between a full-on SLR system and a compact and it suits my needs well.

 

 


Agreed. And getting up early to be in the right place at the right time can help...

 

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Mont Blanc Massif at Sunrise

by Your Funny Uncle, on Flickr

 

Oh, yes. The most mundane views can turn magical with the right timing. A view from my bedroom window very early on a foggy spring morning a couple of years back:

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The information has to be presented in an info graphic. It can be on any of the crusades. Probably Middle East but I don't really mind so long as there is enough information to put down on paper.
 
I don't have those books on hand so if you wouldn't mind...

 
That's what libraries are for, silly! You've got three weeks, after all. And I'd be genuinely shocked if you couldn't find God's War at any public library, let alone an academic one. Asbridge's The Crusades also ought to be widely available.

"Infographic" is awfully vague. If you want to do maps, you certainly could. Ian Mladjov, at Michigan, has an excellent map resource here that you could use as a base quite nicely; maybe make multiple maps layers in an animation to show change over time? It oughtn't be too hard to use those maps to calculate total land area, either, so you could maybe make that into a line graph. (Be careful, though, to make sure you have the right kind of temporal resolution, so you get the trends right.)

Otherwise, you could do something more complicated. One of Tyerman's coolest bits of research was on the so-called "second son" phenomenon. Supposedly, the Crusading armies were made up of second sons of noble houses, who couldn't expect to get anything out of inheritances because of primogeniture: the first son would inherit everything. This second son explanation was also used to describe why the Crusading armies were ostensibly so rapacious and vicious: they were in it for the loot, and religious war was just a cover. Tyerman actually compiled a list of crusading nobles by looking at the records of who left behind property for the Church to keep safe while he was away, and found that the second son theory was a load of nonsense. You could pie-chart Tyerman's conclusions up by taking the data from a table in one of his papers. JSTOR ought to have them easily available.
 

Didn't realise there were loads. The most interesting one, maybe?


Okay so.

The First Crusade was the big-deal one that everybody knows where a ragtag bunch of pilgrim-soldiers fought their way clear across the Middle East through several major battles and two epic sieges, slaughtered a bunch of people in Jerusalem, and founded the Crusader states.

The Second Crusade was the one that people kind of forget where a bunch of kings showed up in the East and mismanaged their way through a failed siege of Damascus.

The Third Crusade was the other one that people remember because it was called in response to Saladin's reconquest of Jerusalem. You know, the thing from the movie Kingdom of Heaven. It's the one that had King Richard I and caused all of the Robin Hood stuff to happen.

The Fourth Crusade was the one where the Crusaders decided to kill a bunch of Christians instead, and broke the Byzantine Empire.

The Fifth Crusade was the one where the Crusaders tried to invade Egypt and failed. They also thought they had an alliance with the Mongols, which, lol. Nobody allied with the Mongols.

The Sixth Crusade was the one where the Holy Roman Emperor decided to avoid fighting and just bought Jerusalem. It worked pretty well.

The Seventh and Eighth Crusades were the ones with King Louis IX, who got sainted for his trouble. They named a city in Missouri after him. He spent a lot of time pointlessly invading North Africa and died on the Eighth Crusade.

The Ninth Crusade happened at the same time as the Eighth Crusade, and was mostly just the future King Edward I of England jaunting around the Levant. He's the old douchebag from Braveheart.

There were also a lot of other random Crusades! There was the Albigensian Crusade, which was fought in southern France allegedly against Cathar heretics and got super weird and complicated really fast. There were the Northern Crusades in Finland and the Baltic States which involved the Teutonic Knights and pagans and stuff, and there were Crusades in Spain and Portugal against Muslim Andalucia. There were later Crusades against the Ottoman Empire when that started to be a Thing. And then sometimes random wars in Europe between Christian and Christian got called 'crusades' because reasons.

If you're looking for dramatic interestingness, it's hard to go wrong with the First and Third Crusades. They are famous for a reason. The Fourth Crusade is also not bad, one of those 'deep cuts' that might impress some people. Unless it's an actual history class, though, I wouldn't do anything about the others. The Albigensian Crusade would just get people confused.
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That is (and excuse my swearing) f*cking beautiful! I want to see places like that with my own eyes!

I think Mont Blanc and some of the other high mountains around (the Matterhorn is there in the background of that shot if you look closely) are some of the most spectacular scenery that you can see in Europe. We stayed in Chamonix in August. It's not super-cheap but it's do-able on a budget in summer. Easyjet fly to Geneva from John Lennon airport, and from there we had to book a minibus service to take us to Chamonix. We stayed in a self-catering apartment right by the base station of the cable car that took us up to that view, which is from the Aiguille du Midi. It was quite funny as were were two of about four people in a crammed car who weren't fully kitted out to go wandering in the high mountains. Plenty of normal tourists go up there as at the top there's quite a big building with restaurants and a museum, but at that time in the morning, it's mostly hardcore adventurers. I just wanted that morning light for my photographs...


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I would have thought if you want to do 'a crusade' you're interested in First or Third, they're the straight up crusadey crusade crusades. I think Richard and Saladin give Third a kind of nice personal touch, though I don't know if the First had comparable figures.



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-snip-

 

Thank you. Very helpful. Might go with either the first or third because like you said, they're the most interesting. Sure I can find lots on them.

 

What do you know about the Roman Empire? I was just advised perhaps looking into other historical things and this strikes my fancy.



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I think Mont Blanc and some of the other high mountains around (the Matterhorn is there in the background of that shot if you look closely) are some of the most spectacular scenery that you can see in Europe. We stayed in Chamonix in August. It's not super-cheap but it's do-able on a budget in summer. Easyjet fly to Geneva from John Lennon airport, and from there we had to book a minibus service to take us to Chamonix. We stayed in a self-catering apartment right by the base station of the cable car that took us up to that view, which is from the Aiguille du Midi. It was quite funny as were were two of about four people in a crammed car who weren't fully kitted out to go wandering in the high mountains. Plenty of normal tourists go up there as at the top there's quite a big building with restaurants and a museum, but at that time in the morning, it's mostly hardcore adventurers. I just wanted that morning light for my photographs...

 

Sounds delightful. Might have to put that on my list of places to see.  ^_^



#59010
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Guys! Friend linked me this website. Check it out and laugh your socks off!  :lol:

 

http://satansrapture.com/skynet2.htm



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I was just advised perhaps looking into other historical things and this strikes my fancy.

 

Is the assignment to just make an infographic on something from history?



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Is the assignment to just make an infographic on something from history?

 

An infographic on anything that I want it to be about. I want to do it on something historical, but nothing quite recent.



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I would have thought if you want to do 'a crusade' you're interested in First or Third, they're the straight up crusadey crusade crusades. I think Richard and Saladin give Third a kind of nice personal touch, though I don't know if the First had comparable figures.

 
Most of the First Crusade's Interesting People were all on the same side.

Tancred and Bohemond, the Normans, were extremely interesting characters - probably the closest the Crusaders ever got to amoral power-players. Tancred was good at it, Bohemond sucked.

Alexios I, the Byzantine Emperor, was always a fun guy to have around, and he had a great beard. His daughter loved him to death and wrote most of the history, though. She wasn't exactly the most reliable source.

Etienne Henri of Blois had a super sad story. He just wanted to spend time at home with his wife, poor guy. He left during the siege of Antioch, when everything looked doomed. Then he got branded as a coward and came back in the Crusade of 1101 to team up with Bohemond and redeem himself, but that time he did get killed.

Ramon IV of Toulouse staked a lot on the Crusade and didn't even expect to get anything out of it, but came back later after he made it home because he just couldn't. Stay. Away.

The papal legates were fun guys, or tried to be, until they died. Adhémar of Le Puy thought he was the guy running the show, and then OOPS TYPHUS AT THE WORST POSSIBLE TIME.

And then at the center of everything was Godefroy de Bouillon, the guy they picked to run Jerusalem itself, who was either super cool and professional or the most boring f**k west of the Rhine depending on your point of view.

Most of their Muslim opponents didn't get quite the pub. Like Kürboğa. Nobody much remembers him outside of Turkey.
 

Thank you. Very helpful. Might go with either the first or third because like you said, they're the most interesting. Sure I can find lots on them.
 
What do you know about the Roman Empire? I was just advised perhaps looking into other historical things and this strikes my fancy.


I'm more than happy to answer future questions, although if they get buried in this thread there's no guarantee that I'll actually manage to see them!

I do know a fair amount about the Roman Empire. Mostly the Later Empire, when everything went up the chimney, because I think that that's more interesting than the first couple centuries. Neither the Crusades nor the Romans are exactly 'my' time period, which is decidedly more modern. I can count the number of times I've had to talk about Stuff That Is Even The Same Century As My Thesis for BSN on one hand, but I get stuck talking about Things Not Totally Within My Remit ALL THE TIME.

But I'm familiar with a lot of the famous scholarship in classical history and I'm willing to look up more in a pinch. There are also people who do teach classical and medieval history who sometimes pop in on BSN; I think Das Tentakel, for example, is a teaching medievalist in the Netherlands. S/he'd probably be a more reliable person to ask than I would!
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An infographic on anything that I want it to be about.

 

Well that's terrifyingly open. Good luck.


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-snip-

 

Thank you for the help and the quick response. I think I might PM that person and hope they can further enlighten me. 

 

Well that's terrifyingly open. Good luck.

 

I know right! *high five* It's all good though. Means no one else will have the same idea as me.  :lol:



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I know right! *high five* It's all good though. Means no one else will have the same idea as me.  :lol:

 

Now that you've said that you know that everyone else's topics are going to be:

 

Fall of the Roman Empire, Third Crusade or Ridley Scott films.


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Now that you've said that you know that everyone else's topics are going to be:

 

Fall of the Roman Empire, Third Crusade or Ridley Scott films.

 

Someone is looking at the various shades of excrement... I don't think I have anything to worry about.



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Haha, watching kids play hide and seek under my window. Almost did a spit take just now. Someone really scored big time!



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Haha, watching kids play hide and seek under my window. Almost did a spit take just now. Someone really scored big time!

 

What? Are you spying on children!?



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What? Are you spying on children!?

 

No, my sister actually asked me to act as an UAV. There, my dirty secret, all out.



#59021
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No, my sister actually asked me to act as an UAV. There, my dirty secret, all out.

 

That's... kind off worse.



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That's... kind off worse.

 

What, I'm just helping her cheat at hide and seek.

That's pretty cool in my book.

Plus, I only help her when some idiot is the seeker.

Well, wannabe Seeker. Cass would never let that kind of people in.

There are worse cheats in the group, trust me.


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GOOD MORNING!



#59024
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What, I'm just helping her cheat at hide and seek.

That's pretty cool in my book.

Plus, I only help her when some idiot is the seeker.

Well, wannabe Seeker. Cass would never let that kind of people in.

There are worse cheats in the group, trust me.

 

Stuff like this makes me question your age. How old are you again?



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GOOD MORNING!

 

Morning our special little Snowflake. How are you doing?  :)