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[YourFunnyUncle]

Really rubs me up the wrong way. Those people on Television actually had to go to college, work hard in their studies and come out with the skills necessary to make it. These people on YouTube sit in front of a camera there mothers bought them, chat some sh*t, play a game and make money off of it... It's literally ridiculous how the world has turned out.

Yeah but they have no job security. No pension, and they can only make good money if millions follow them and they churn out videos constantly. I don't think it's such an easy way to make a living...

[Basement Cat]

Really rubs me up the wrong way. Those people on Television actually had to go to college, work hard in their studies and come out with the skills necessary to make it. These people on YouTube sit in front of a camera there mothers bought them, chat some sh*t, play a game and make money off of it... It's literally ridiculous how the world has turned out.

Hey, people pay for what they want. You try going up to people and tell them how to spend their time and money. It won't go well, trust me.

 

Some professional Youtubers work quite hard too. Editing videos, making scripts, having to put up with abusive messages,etc. It's not an easy job. Some get lucky and become popular and make money off of it. So what?

 

As for how the world has turned out: I prefer that people consider someone like Pewdiepie worthwile entertainment rather than hobo hunting. Yeah. It's been a phenomenon in recent years that groups of youths go out, find a homeless person and beat them up for fun. Pewdiepie is pretty ok by comparison. 

[Duelist]

Without condoning or condemning, profits that exceed the amount of effort put in is sound economics.

Even moreso if it earns enough to live off of.

[LightningPoodle]

Hey, people pay for what they want. You try going up to people and tell them how to spend their time and money. It won't go well, trust me.

 

Some professional Youtubers work quite hard too. Editing videos, making scripts, having to put up with abusive messages,etc. It's not an easy job. Some get lucky and become popular and make money off of it. So what?

 

As for how the world has turned out: I prefer that people consider someone like Pewdiepie worthwile entertainment rather than hobo hunting. Yeah. It's been a phenomenon in recent years that groups of youths go out, find a homeless person and beat them up for fun. Pewdiepie is pretty ok by comparison. 

 

I get people pay for what they want, and I wouldn't try to stop anyone from doing it. I've payed for some stupid crap before because I wanted it. Why would I tell anyone anything different?

 

I get that they do put in the effort otherwise you'd just be watching a bloopers video but still, not a lot of effort actually goes into it. I could write a five minute script a day, edit out about 10 minutes of stuff I messed up on. Put some funny effects in to make it look more appealing to my target audience. At the end of the day, all I've done is played a game. A game someone else put the effort into making, and I'm just talking about how great it is. I cannot, and never will see that as a job. 

 

Well, when you put it like that, then yeah, he sounds pretty great. That's also kind of manipulative. Anyone with any sense of right and wrong would say yes, he sounds great compared to what these people are doing to this homeless person. Put it in another perspective, you have him, sitting on his backside all day making millions compared to a single mother with two kids struggling to make enough money to feed her children a decent meal everyday, yet bringing them up to be decent human beings. He doesn't sound all that great then...

 

By the way, that comparison is actually me, my brother and my mother.

[Serza]

Oh my gosh you guys! Ihave 2 very exciting things!

 

Firstly, DA:I is fixed for me, so I can create Inkeri!

 

Secondly, I got to do a one-foot-glide at skating tonight! One of my feet wasn't touching the ice for 3 whole seconds!! *bounces in excitement*

 

Great news! Or, sounds like great news. I wouldn't know, being a sports anti-talent.

If it pleases you, though, it has to be great news, right!

 

Well, i got about 5 hours of sleep after the 14 hour shift so.....

 

Requiescat in Pace. I'll come to your funeral if that keeps happening...

 

One area where my geekiness fails me is "video games as a spectator sport." I just don't enjoy it. Also Twitch or let's play videos in general. That's when I do feel like an out of touch old man...

 

I'm usually not one for that either, but there are two, maybe three youtubers I actually follow. All of them are ArmA related. One of them either does a no commentary footage, or combat analysis thingy. The other... well, also does a lot of X-COM, which I actually enjoy, because he also talks about why he does things the way he does.

[YourFunnyUncle]

PewDiePie is an exception, though. Most YouTubers assuredly do not make millions. In fact most probably struggle to make as much money as your mum, Poodle. It really isn't an easy career path to succeed in, precisely because the barrier to entry is low. If anyone can do it, it's hard to get noticed. 

 

That's another reason I don't get the popularity of PewDiePie. What the hell made him stand out from all the others? It boggles my mind.

[Basement Cat]

PewDiePie is an exception, though. Most YouTubers assuredly do not make millions. In fact most probably struggle to make as much money as your mum, Poodle. It really isn't an easy career path to succeed in, precisely because the barrier to entry is low. If anyone can do it, it's hard to get noticed. 

 

That's another reason I don't get the popularity of PewDiePie. What the hell made him stand out from all the others? It boggles my mind.

Pretty much everyone who makes millions is an exception. For every superstar there are hundreds if not thousands of average joes. Take any movie: how many extras are on screen? Those people don't make big bucks.

 

Pewdiepie's popularity is a headscratcher though. I watched some of his videos and I don't get it either. But hey, good for him.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm usually not one for that either, but there are two, maybe three youtubers I actually follow. All of them are ArmA related. One of them either does a no commentary footage, or combat analysis thingy. The other... well, also does a lot of X-COM, which I actually enjoy, because he also talks about why he does things the way he does.

I don't mind videos that talk about games that I like, analyse or present theories, but I find watching someone playing to be quite dull.

 

I should really play X-COM again some time. I did enjoy it when it came out, and now there are some DLCs that will change the experience for me...

[Serza]

I don't mind videos that talk about games that I like, analyse or present theories, but I find watching someone playing to be quite dull.

 

I should really play X-COM again some time. I did enjoy it when it came out, and now there are some DLCs that will change the experience for me...

 

I'm spoilering the guy I'm talking about for you. Not sure if you'll like it, but I do. This one's short, and with the LongWar mod for EW expansion.

 

Spoiler

[SardaukarElite]

Someone said something about favourite romance films. Casablanca, technically, really it's just one of my favourite films.

 

Pewdiepie's popularity is a headscratcher though. I watched some of his videos and I don't get it either. But hey, good for him.

 

It's hardly the only case of a lot of people with little taste liking the same thing.

 

 

Anyway...hello, Sera thread! I missed you a lot! *waves*

 

Artemis.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm spoilering the guy I'm talking about for you. Not sure if you'll like it, but I do. This one's short, and with the LongWar mod for EW expansion.

 

Spoiler

 

Well as I haven't played anything but the vanilla game, I'll give it a miss for now then, as it might spoil the expansion!

 

It's hardly the only case of a lot of people with little taste liking the same thing.

Indeed not. I still struggle to understand it, though...

[Serza]

 

 

Well as I haven't played anything but the vanilla game, I'll give it a miss for now then, as it might spoil the expansion!

 

 

Indeed not. I still struggle to understand it, though...

 

 

Oh... Well, that's a mission that actually came with the expansion, so...

 

There are no story spoilers though. All of the "spoilers" in that mission are clearly given as features in the trailers.

[SardaukarElite]

Indeed not. I still struggle to understand it, though...

 

I assume it's just a snowball effect. If people aren't discerning in their taste, then they're both more likely to recommend something to their friends and more likely to act on their friend's recommendations to them so they like something and pass it on to people who are in turn more likely to pass it on.

 

Something gets lucky (because there's thousands of the same thing) or gets Activision or Marvel pushing marketing behind it (and still lucky) and it hits critical mass, bam! Instant significant culture.

 

Of course it can happen to good things as well, so it's not all bad and it's normally only the good things that are remembered two decades later.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Yeah. Luck combined with critical mass, I suppose...

[YourFunnyUncle]

Have a cheekily pensive Sera...

[Basement Cat]

I've been thinking more of the parallels between Sera and Vivienne.

 

Both are smart and stupid in some measure. Sera understands people, but not societal constructs. That's why her efforts to 'stick it to the man' accomplish little. 

 

Vivienne understands societal constructs, but not people. That's how she was able to use the game to get where she is, but at the same time she can believe that abuse within the Circles is 'an exception' or that she sees no problem with servants being butchered in the name of the game.

 

If Sera were in charge, you'd get complete anarchy. If Vivienne were in charge, you'd have a revolution waiting to happen. Vivienne becoming Divine might not end well for her. She focuses on the nobility and mages. There's a pretty big social class she's not paying attention to.

 

Actually, all three Divine candidates have potentially gruesome ends in store.

Leliana (soft or hard), focuses on mages and the populace. Likely to end up dead from a coup by nobles.

Vivienne: focuses on the nobility and the mages. Likely to end up dead from a popular uprising.

Cassandra: her reforms risk robbing the Chantry of its political power. Likely to end up dead from internal strife.

 

Considering Bioware's track record, none of the above scenarios would surprise me.

[WildOrchid]

Imo, if you want a nice youtuber, watch Markiplier. He's faaar better than pewdiepie.

 

But yeah, jumping on the bandwagon of headscratchers about pewdiepie.

[SardaukarElite]

 Sera understands people, but not societal constructs. That's why her efforts to 'stick it to the man' accomplish little. 

 

I think she understands society fine, she just hates it. She's thinks changing society can't work or won't last. So she doesn't, she tries to make someone's life better, and hopes others elsewhere will do the same. Whether that accomplishes little depends on perspective.

 

I don't completely agree with it, but I think her logic is sound and not everyone needs to play social architect.

[Basement Cat]

I think she understands society fine, she just hates it. She's thinks changing society can't work or won't last. So she doesn't, she tries to make someone's life better, and hopes others elsewhere will do the same. Whether that accomplishes little depends on perspective.

 

I don't completely agree with it, but I think her logic is sound and not everyone needs to play social architect.

It also depends on whether or not her plans work. As we saw with the Vershiel March, sometimes things go badly.

[wintery]

*grumblemutteryawn*

 

Morning.

[SardaukarElite]

It also depends on whether or not her plans work. As we saw with the Vershiel March, sometimes things go badly.

 

The thing with that though is that game isn't brimming with examples of what happens when Sera helps someone. We know who she wants to help, and how she likes to help, and we know how that can go bad. Which is a moral overview of the nature of her actions, but not something to judge her effectiveness with. Any radical action like that is going to have the potential to go very, very wrong.

[wintery]

Since the wartable has little connection to what's happening in the world, it doesn't give us a good look. I did learn the first time that if you do that one mission in a way that helps the nobles instead of the servants, she disapproves. I hadn't been thinking about it, just gave it to Leliana instead of Josephine. But I can't remember the actual text of what happened afterward.

[SardaukarElite]

Since the wartable has little connection to what's happening in the world, it doesn't give us a good look.

 

The War Table will lull you into a false sense of apathy and then hit you with a meaningful consequence when you least expect it, then have no follow up to that either.

[wintery]

"Morning, War Table! Shall we move our forces and Accomplish things?"

"Okay, Inquisitor! Look at all you've done! You get a gray, boring sword grip!"

"Yayyyyy! What shall we do next?"

"Up to you, Inquisitor! You have power."

"Okay... I'll do this."

"Oh frell, you just KILLED THE GRAY WARDENS."

"I hate you, War Table."

[SardaukarElite]

"Oh frell, you just KILLED THE GRAY WARDENS."

 

And then The Inquisitor went outside, and saw the Grey Wardens training in the courtyard and talking about how no one appreciates their sacrifices anymore. It was all a dream.