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[YourFunnyUncle]

I think she understands society fine, she just hates it. She's thinks changing society can't work or won't last. So she doesn't, she tries to make someone's life better, and hopes others elsewhere will do the same. Whether that accomplishes little depends on perspective.

 

I don't completely agree with it, but I think her logic is sound and not everyone needs to play social architect.

Do you think she still feels that way by the end of the game? I think she thought she had no chance of accomplishing meaningful societal change before, but when the Inquisition came along she thought that maybe, just maybe she could help improve things a bit on a wider scale than she had previously thought possible. Assuming you played the game in a way that was to her liking, she might still feel that way...

 

What I'd do to amend Cat's analysis is to say that Sera and Vivienne are not ignorant of societal constructs/people, but perhaps overly dismissive of their value, quite likely due to their own personal life experiences.

[raging_monkey]

well season 1 of american horror show was creepy as hell had wierd dreams

[The Loyal Nub]

well season 1 of american horror show was creepy as hell had wierd dreams

 

I just finished watching season 4 last night which was a return to form after the ho-hum season 3. If you're just getting creeped out by season 1 you ain't seen nothing yet. Season 2 was probably the most gonzo although this past season had it's very awkward and uncomfortable moments.

[introverted_assassin]

I never watch "let's play" things. I am here for the game not your voice. And I don't watch those review vids at all either. well i did that once and nothing was the same. never watched or even heard of that pewdiepie or whatever person.

[Fiery Phoenix]

I've been thinking more of the parallels between Sera and Vivienne.

 

Both are smart and stupid in some measure. Sera understands people, but not societal constructs. That's why her efforts to 'stick it to the man' accomplish little. 

 

Vivienne understands societal constructs, but not people. That's how she was able to use the game to get where she is, but at the same time she can believe that abuse within the Circles is 'an exception' or that she sees no problem with servants being butchered in the name of the game.

That's a pretty sound way of looking at it.

 

Many of their perspective differences likely stem from how Vivienne is more politically charged/motivated than Sera. She is driven by a willingness to set society a certain way, to lead. Sera, on the other hand, isn't so concerned about that, merely caring for what she can do to help those in need at the present moment.

 

Vivienne has a vision. Sera has an obligation.

[raging_monkey]

I just finished watching season 4 last night which was a return to form after the ho-hum season 3. If you're just getting creeped out by season 1 you ain't seen nothing yet. Season 2 was probably the most gonzo although this past season had it's very awkward and uncomfortable moments.

netflix has s1-s3. And the newest one is freakshow right?. i was just really unnerved by how lax the story is considering the content... it awsome. And why the gimp suit just wtf

[wintery]

Thank you, Guy Who Made The Second Pot Of Coffee.

 

You are my hero for the moment.

[The Loyal Nub]

That's a pretty sound way of looking at it.

 

Many of their perspective differences likely stem from how Vivienne is more politically charged/motivated than Sera. She is driven by a willingness to set society a certain way, to lead. Sera, on the other hand, isn't so concerned about that, merely caring for what she can do to help those in need at the present moment.

 

Vivienne has a vision. Sera has an obligation.

 

Viv comes across that way but in talking to her I didn't see anything other than someone who approves of the old order with just some cosmetic changes like maybe Mages would be allowed to play the stereo until 11pm in their dorm rooms.

 

Sera probably cares more for the commons than Viv but her attitude is almost one of noblesse oblige which means she's only a fraction from Viv on the conservative side of Thedas politics.  For reference I'd put Cassandra as a centrist and Lels on the very left of things.

[SardaukarElite]

Do you think she still feels that way by the end of the game? I think she thought she had no chance of accomplishing meaningful societal change before, but when the Inquisition came along she thought that maybe, just maybe she could help improve things a bit on a wider scale than she had previously thought possible. Assuming you played the game in a way that was to her liking, she might still feel that way...

 

I'm not sure. The Inquisition is - outside of a few key choices - kind of like International Rescue, they run around giving the cold blankets, the hungry food and generally looking out for poor displaced neutral innocents being victimised by unpolitical demons. There's no (serious) political entanglements that they seem to actually have to deal with, and they don't actually rule anything so there isn't a lot to object to, for anyone.

 

So in a sense The Inquisition is like a bigger Sera without the political fallout... but I don't think that's the interpretation I'm supposed to have.

 

That said, The Inquisition builds and protects, whereas Sera mostly ran around stealing The Man's breeches, so I guess it's a shift in methods at the very least.

[The Loyal Nub]

I never watch "let's play" things. I am here for the game not your voice. And I don't watch those review vids at all either. well i did that once and nothing was the same. never watched or even heard of that pewdiepie or whatever person.

 

I do if I am unsure of a game. I'll watch a little "let's play" just to see how a game looks in operation and if I might like it. However my ears usually bleed if I have to listen to the carny shouters like Angry Joe.

[Lady Luminous]

Great news! Or, sounds like great news. I wouldn't know, being a sports anti-talent.

If it pleases you, though, it has to be great news, right!

 

It is great news! It means I'm rapidly gaining skills in skating! 

 

I got to do this:

 which is the next step to this:  !!

[wintery]

Sera feels a bit of helplessness that I can relate to. After the Winter Palace I think she comments that a lot of servants were killed and nothing really changed except whose butt is on the throne. What really changed? The people with less power probably don't see a difference. On the micro scale, helping people in small ways, maybe she actually feels like she has more power, more ability to do something, than all the kingdoms in the world posturing and changing little.

[The Loyal Nub]

Sera feels a bit of helplessness that I can relate to. After the Winter Palace I think she comments that a lot of servants were killed and nothing really changed except whose butt is on the throne. What really changed? The people with less power probably don't see a difference. On the micro scale, helping people in small ways, maybe she actually feels like she has more power, more ability to do something, than all the kingdoms in the world posturing and changing little.

 

That "helplessness" or fear makes her a bit more appealing than Viv on a human level and it's not bad that she wants to help people but I think someone, I forget who, pointed out that Sera seems to lack much in the way of a vision. She has a certain attachment to the old order (or so it seems to me) and stability that provided or it seemed to for her.

 

I'd like to see if working with the Inquisition evolves her if they choose to bring her back in a future game.

[LightningPoodle]

Oh my God! Just say an advert for Big Hero 6! I must go and see it! I MUST!

[raging_monkey]

Oh my God! Just say an advert for Big Hero 6! I must go and see it! I MUST!

im sure you can alternativly view it

[Lady Luminous]

Oh my God! Just say an advert for Big Hero 6! I must go and see it! I MUST!

 

I told you! It is so good!

[LightningPoodle]

im sure you can alternativly view it

 

Are you trying to corrupt me...

[Basement Cat]

That "helplessness" or fear makes her a bit more appealing than Viv on a human level and it's not bad that she wants to help people but I think someone, I forget who, pointed out that Sera seems to lack much in the way of a vision. She has a certain attachment to the old order (or so it seems to me) and stability that provided or it seemed to for her.

 

I'd like to see if working with the Inquisition evolves her if they choose to bring her back in a future game.

That is another thing she has in common with Vivienne. They both want the world to go back to what it was because they had found a way to use the system that worked for them. They are both scared of change, and interestingly their fears in the Fade are similar : the nothing (Sera) and irrelevance (Vivienne).

 

The crucial difference is that Sera's fear is that of having nothing around her. Vivienne is afraid of being the nothingness.

[raging_monkey]

Are you trying to corrupt me...

me? Corrupt you? A innocent.... neeeevvvver *coy chuckle* im a paragon of morality haha

[LightningPoodle]

I told you! It is so good!

 

No fair! I don't get to see it until the 30th! 

[Lady Luminous]

No fair! I don't get to see it until the 30th! 

 

It's been in the theatres since before Christmas!

[LightningPoodle]

me? Corrupt you? A innocent.... neeeevvvver *coy chuckle* im a paragon of morality haha

 

I don't torrent anything anymore. I always pay for my movies.

[Lady Luminous]

I don't torrent anything anymore. I always pay for my movies.

 

I don't torrent either, I stream. I pay for about 60% on my movies and the others I watch online. 

[raging_monkey]

I don't torrent anything anymore. I always pay for my movies.

did i say "torrent" haha