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Oh my god you guys. I think I've had multiple heart attacks from watching Pretty Little Liars tonight.

 

Someone give me something cute and fuzzy or adorable or funny to calm my nerves. (Also you can check out my PLL live tweets at @KyraConsiders)

 

you watched the show....I have no sympathy for you....

 

is Keegan Allen still on that show?



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Well, quasi-historical accounts, anyway. Most of the actual references to Norse warriors with superhuman powers come from poetic sources, which is kinda like taking the Iliad as proof that gods existed and killers from the Aegean littoral could go toe-to-toe with them. The reality of the berserkr is a bit hard to suss out; Norse warriors who dressed up in bear-skins almost certainly existed, and they were probably associated with a 'fought like madmen' style, but going beyond that is hard, and ascribing magical powers of death and survival to them is exceedingly silly. It's not even clear to me that they were any better than 'normal' warriors.

 

True, but things like fighting through debilitating or lethal wounds is still possible. Given the fact that we have a mtn of evidence showing that people can accomplish superhuman feats that break all of rules when it comes to what the human body and mind should be capable of doing. Such as a mother being able to pick up her car and push it over when her child becomes trapped under it. Or people being able to survive a fall from a height that should have killed them.  Or a hunter being able to fight off a bear with their bare hands when attacked.  



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you watched the show....I have no sympathy for you....

 

is Keegan Allen still on that show?

 

I always watch the show; I'm addicted.

 

He is and I want to marry him; he's 100% incredible.



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I always watch the show; I'm addicted.

 

He is and I want to marry him; he's 100% incredible.

 

seriously? I mean thats not too surprising I guess, but just funny to me... because..small world stuff....

 

anyways



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seriously? I mean thats not too surprising I guess, but just funny to me... because..small world stuff....

 

anyways

 

Why? What's going on? Do you know him??



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True, but things like fighting through debilitating or lethal wounds is still possible. Given the fact that we have a mtn of evidence showing that people can accomplish superhuman feats that break all of rules when it comes to what the human body and mind should be capable of doing. Such as a mother being able to pick up her car and push it over when her child becomes trapped under it. Or people being able to survive a fall from a height that should have killed them.  Or a hunter being able to fight off a bear with their bare hands when attacked.  

 

Not mention what some drugs like PCP can do to a person, that would be a beserker for sure



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Why? What's going on? Do you know him??

 

its not what you think

 

 

pm me if you really want to know what I meant.. I don't really discuss much irl stuff on open public message boards



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Not mention what some drugs like PCP can do to a person, that would be a beserker for sure

isnt that a rare effect. Thought it just made people sedatiated and feeling underwater

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isnt that a rare effect. Thought it just made people sedatiated and feeling underwater

 

Not its not automatic and you have to be pissed off, but its happened enough to cause police some problems when PCP was more widely used.



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Argh, you guys I just want to know who A is. Can it be next tuesday yet for another episode?



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Not its not automatic and you have to be pissed off, but its happened enough to cause police some problems when PCP was more widely used.

shite

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True, but things like fighting through debilitating or lethal wounds is still possible. Given the fact that we have a mtn of evidence showing that people can accomplish superhuman feats that break all of rules when it comes to what the human body and mind should be capable of doing. Such as a mother being able to pick up her car and push it over when her child becomes trapped under it. Or people being able to survive a fall from a height that should have killed them.  Or a hunter being able to fight off a bear with their bare hands when attacked.


Possibly. Look, I dunno about any of those things specifically, so I can't talk about their veracity. But the stories told about the skills of the berserkr are basically all legendary or couched in comically absurd terms. Attempting to explain them by watering them down into lesser and theoretically more plausible versions of the same thing - "maybe it was like that time one woman lifted a car all by herself" - misses the point, and assumes that there is some necessary core of a story that is 'true' even if embellished. That's simply wrong; apart from the legendary nature of many of these sagas, many actual historians of the period told stories about things that completely did not happen and cannot have happened. The stories about the berserkr do not say that they got mad enough to fight through pain and severe injury; they talk about warriors who tore through hordes of opponents, and on whose skin neither fire nor iron could make an impression. The only comparison to that is Superman, and he isn't real.

That doesn't mean that the berserkr wasn't real; they probably were, because from what I understand not all references to their existence are legendary. But the references to these capabilities are, and that's the problem.
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what is Pretty Little Liars?

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what is Pretty Little Liars?

a tv show bout assholes who think they are legit

disclaimer: this my opinion

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LOL that's like 90% of shows on tv right now. that one show by that chick Lena Dunham...man listen. I tried watching it once and heard Sera in my head naming off the people who deserved an arrow to the face. but the kids love it and I haz confuse.

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LOL that's like 90% of shows on tv right now. that one show by that chick Lena Dunham...man listen. I tried watching it once and heard Sera in my head naming off the people who deserved an arrow to the face. but the kids love it and I haz confuse.

true but PLL is bacically this generation's 91210.

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what is Pretty Little Liars?

A show about entitled rich white high school girls whose lies and crimes come back to haunt them

Disclaimer I have not actually watched show

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a tv show bout assholes who think they are legit

disclaimer: this my opinion

\...You are so wrong! It's the greatest dark drama/thriller on TV today!



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A show about entitled rich white high school girls whose lies and crimes come back to haunt them

Disclaimer I have not actually watched show

 

... Not exactly.



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what is Pretty Little Liars?

 

PLL is about a group of girls who try to solve their friend's disappearance case. At the same time though, they're being blackmailed and continuously have to protect themselves. There's at least one murder every season and countless near death experiences.



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LOL that's like 90% of shows on tv right now. that one show by that chick Lena Dunham...man listen. I tried watching it once and heard Sera in my head naming off the people who deserved an arrow to the face. but the kids love it and I haz confuse.

 

Eugh, I won't even watch Girls. I don't see the appeal.



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\...You are so wrong! It's the greatest dark drama/thriller on TV today!

like i said my opinion never did i claim it fact. Im watching it now and its still following my bias... though i will say their acting is well done

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Possibly. Look, I dunno about any of those things specifically, so I can't talk about their veracity. But the stories told about the skills of the berserkr are basically all legendary or couched in comically absurd terms. Attempting to explain them by watering them down into lesser and theoretically more plausible versions of the same thing - "maybe it was like that time one woman lifted a car all by herself" - misses the point, and assumes that there is some necessary core of a story that is 'true' even if embellished. That's simply wrong; apart from the legendary nature of many of these sagas, many actual historians of the period told stories about things that completely did not happen and cannot have happened. The stories about the berserkr do not say that they got mad enough to fight through pain and severe injury; they talk about warriors who tore through hordes of opponents, and on whose skin neither fire nor iron could make an impression. The only comparison to that is Superman, and he isn't real.

That doesn't mean that the berserkr wasn't real; they probably were, because from what I understand not all references to their existence are legendary. But the references to these capabilities are, and that's the problem.

 

Yes, the stories told make them out to be supermen. That I will not argue. What I'm simply saying is that you really can't look at such stories and simply dismiss everything as false. Because there is proof that a people can accomplish super human feats is specific situations. Does that mean that you can withstand several lethal injuries and walk away 100%  of the time?  No and not by a long shot. But, people have survived injuries that should have outright killed them before and there is proof of this. Heck, just look at the case of Wenseslao Moguel. The man was shot nine times by a firing squad and the firing squad commander even shot him at point black range  in the face to ensure he was dead. During the night Monguel managed to crawl out of occupied territory and was rescued. 

 

What likely happened is that such events took place in a few battlefields where berserkers where fighting. These incidents where rare and many of the details and facts where lost as these isolated incidents where retold by people and just like a game of telephone or a fish story, things where blown out of proportion and embellished as well. 



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like i said my opinion never did i claim it fact. Im watching it now and its still following my bias... though i will say their acting is well done

 

They are not assholes. It's a fascinating mystery.



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I believe you. Really.

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