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[raging_monkey]

Due to not having a tv, I'm so out of the loop when it comes to tv shows. I just finished watching the 5th season of S.O.A. and probably will not finish the series anytime soon. Game of Thrones is on my list though. As for Walking Dead. The first two seasons where good. But from season 3 onward, the show is a great example of why you can't trust AMC with nice things.

sons of anachary had great ending. Thats all im saying big fan

Game of Thrones.

ment comparisons lol

[Duelist]

Due to not having a tv, I'm so out of the loop when it comes to tv shows. I just finished watching the 5th season of S.O.A. and probably will not finish the series anytime soon. Game of Thrones is on my list though. As for Walking Dead. The first two seasons where good. But from season 3 onward, the show is a great example of why you can't trust AMC with nice things.

Yeah SOA got kinda weird in season 3 but it did get better though.

[raging_monkey]

Yeah SOA got kinda weird in season 3 but it did get better though.

much better

[Aimi]

Yes, the stories told make them out to be supermen. That I will not argue. What I'm simply saying is that you really can't look at such stories and simply dismiss everything as false. Because there is proof that a people can accomplish super human feats is specific situations. Does that mean that you can withstand several lethal injuries and walk away 100%  of the time?  No and not by a long shot. But, people have survived injuries that should have outright killed them before and there is proof of this. Heck, just look at the case of Wenseslao Moguel. The man was shot nine times by a firing squad and the firing squad commander even shot him at point black range  in the face to ensure he was dead. During the night Monguel managed to crawl out of occupied territory and was rescued. 
 
What likely happened is that such events took place in a few battlefields where berserkers where fighting. These incidents where rare and many of the details and facts where lost as these isolated incidents where retold by people and just like a game of telephone or a fish story, things where blown out of proportion and embellished as well.

I think that the bolded part is the most relevant. I've gotten close to this point in the previous few posts, but I think I'll try to make it clearer.

Just because a story about something exists does not mean that it happened. It does not mean that some version of the story happened. Sometimes, storytellers, even ancient and medieval historians, talked out of their butts. Sometimes they did this because they'd heard the story from somebody else; sometimes they did this because they wanted to tell an interesting story; sometimes they did this because it made their narrative nice and tight; sometimes they did this because they wanted to actively get a false version of the story out there for reasons of their own.

Authors in classical and medieval Europe did not labor under the Rankean pretension that they should be writing objective history, and they did not. The purpose of their works was not to create an unvarnished record of the facts of the past. They were, depending on the work, propaganda, entertainment, apologia, moral lesson, or something else of the sort. Often, they wrote about stories that happened in some fashion. Often, they wrote about stories that probably did not happen; sometimes, they wrote about stories that unquestionably did not happen.

You are right that the fact that the berserkr story is about individuals with superpowers does not make the entirety of the story false. We do not decide that the Battle of Salamis never happened because Herodotos wrote the goddess Athene into the Greek victory. We do not decide that medieval Europe was a fairy tale because all of the contemporary histories left an active role to the Christian God. But if we try to explain berserkrs as a sort of watered-down version of the same tale, we are left with the problematic fact that our explanation has no support. It does not match up with the stories we have rightly decided are mythical; our drug berserkr cannot do the sorts of things that Snorri Sturluson's Superman berserkr could. But we are also on the edge of plausibility with a drug explanation or a psychotic explanation, as well.

And as I have been at pains to point out repeatedly, I'm not saying that the berserkr unquestionably did not exist, nor am I saying that the various explanations for the watered-down version are wrong. I am pointing out that there is a very big, very important "might have been like" that must be caveated into every single such description of berserkr lore. Sure, the berserkr might have been like a sort of drugged-up crazy-man warrior who could perform amazing feats, or he might have been able to shut out pain by going into an adrenaline-deepened rage. Or the berserkrs might have been regular warriors who could do fakir-like tricks, or they might have been able to get really mad but not derive any actual benefit from it, or they might not have existed at all.

Oh, and please don't be condescending, with the explanation of how the game of Telephone works. History is my job. I'm well aware that there are plenty of people who think that some myths might be distorted versions of a nugget of a true story from the past. That belief, in and of itself, is fairly innocuous. But many discussions of berserkrs, both from historians and laypersons, tend to forget the 'might be', and my posts are intended to reemphasize it.

[AWTEW]

That comes from her specialization tree, Tempest. Abusing Flask of Fire and Thousand Cuts can lead to extremely high damage output, and Thousand Cuts on its own is still a very deadly ability.

alright sweet, ill try this out.

[Duelist]

Yes it did. But my huge crush on Katey Sagal, her character and my man crush on Ron Pearlman made it watchable. lol

Ron Perlman is all kinds of awesome as Clay to the point I would rather he and Tig kicked Jax to the curb.

[Aimi]

Clancy Brown played one of my favorite villains of all time so

[Duelist]

Very few actors and actresses are able to pull off a villain that you hate with a passion but can't help rooting for at the same time. The only other actor that I can think of off the top of my head that would have been perfect for the role would be Clancy Brown.

Charles Dance is good at that (wouldn't work as Clay though).

Chiwetel Ejiofor is another. As much as I love the Serenity crew, The Operative was too awesome to hate.

[Hellion Rex]

Clancy Brown played one of my favorite villains of all time so

I will never forgive him for killing Jet.

[Aimi]

I will never forgive him for killing Jet.

best thing he ever did in the series was kill that obnoxious stereotype

and I don't even particularly like kataang

[Dgyre]

Charles Dance is good at that (wouldn't work as Clay though).
Chiwetel Ejiofor is another. As much as I love the Serenity crew, The Operative was too awesome to hate.

This!

I love villains, they drive story. Heath ledgers joker is a favorite

[Hellion Rex]

best thing he ever did in the series was kill that obnoxious stereotype

and I don't even particularly like kataang

I was joking lol. I cheered Katara when she blasted the hell out of Jet with waterbending. He was just a bad character, to me.

 

And I didn't even give a rat's ass about Kataang.

[Aimi]

I was joking lol. I cheered Katara when she blasted the hell out of Jet with waterbending. He was just a bad character, to me.
 
And I didn't even give a rat's ass about Kataang.

seriously if not for the great divide, jet would be the series' worst episode

but lake laogai was ama~zing

[Hellion Rex]

seriously if not for the great divide, jet would be the series' worst episode

but lake laogai was ama~zing

Preachin' to the choir, my lady.

[Aimi]

Preachin' to the choir, my lady.

*squees*

[introverted_assassin]

my fav tv shows tend to be cartoons lately. I still love Scandal and How to get Away with Murder because representation matters. honestly it's hard for me to watch any show that has zero diversity on it. like its 2015 tv network people...I expect more Scandals ya know...less Love& Hip Hop. hi VH1...ya jerks.

[Duelist]

This!

I love villains, they drive story. Heath ledgers joker is a favorite

Ooh, nice. I was always fond of Jack Nicholson's Joker too, that role was practically made for him.
(Although Nicholson is just an awesome bad guy period.)

I do love a good villain though it still beffudles me how this guy:



Was ripped off and turned into Kai Leng. How!?

[Hellion Rex]

*squees*

Iroh just wins at life. He can literally do no wrong. Fantastic scene.

[Aimi]

Iroh just wins at life. He can literally do no wrong. Fantastic scene.

Okay so real talk: the scene where the Gaang meets Long Feng at the Earth King's party in "City of Walls and Secrets", intercut with the Zuko/Jet fight, might be the best scene in TV history. I could probably write a whole monster Eirene Post about that scene. So f***ing baller.

[Steelcan]

Ooh, nice. I was always fond of Jack Nicholson's Joker too, that role was practically made for him.
(Although Nicholson is just an awesome bad guy period.)

I do love a good villain though it still beffudles me how this guy:



Was ripped off and turned into Kai Leng. How!?

Firefly senses tingling

[Hellion Rex]

Okay so real talk: the scene where the Gaang meets Long Feng at the Earth King's party in "City of Walls and Secrets", intercut with the Zuko/Jet fight, might be the best scene in TV history. I could probably write a whole monster Eirene Post about that scene. So f***ing baller.

Ooooooo, that was a fantastic sequence. Been a few years since I actually watched Book 2, but I definitely remember that.