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[wintery]

Well this has been kind of a horrible weekend. I need a baby fox

 

 

and Sera

 

[raging_monkey]

Huevos Rancheros anyone?

yes please

[CrimsonN7]

That scene made me wish the murder knife was in DA:I, just so I could have shut that ****** up.

 

Welp Sera's murder knife fail moment was lulzy, before she smashed that guy's head in though. *Always pick the noble perk from then on out yikes!*

[raging_monkey]

*Hands Monkey a plate. The tomato and chili sauce is home made and has a bit of a kick to it. But, it's not super spicy.

thanks* devours plate of food and greedly asks for seconds*

Welp Sera's murder knife fail moment was lulzy, before she smashed that guy's head in though. *Always pick the noble perk from then on out yikes!*

yeah it was... off putting

[Sporothrix]

I'm sorry.  I carelessly copied and pasted "lesbian players" from your first post that I quoted from.  I didn't mean to put you on the spot or attempt to make you speak for an entire group. 

 

I do really want to know how Sera or any future lesbian companion could be developed better (maybe 'differently' is more correct word) to please you?  I lurk on the boards somewhat so I was familiar with the conversation that you referred to.

 

I know I'm already asking you for your time in writing a response, but if you'll humor me just a little further?  I'd be better able to understand if you explained what you'd like to see and not what you saw and didn't like.  ('Cause a lot of people are good at pointing out Sera's shortcomings and I naturally get defensive on Sera's behalf.  Even though it's sometimes very hard to defend Sera.)

Sorry for the delay. To be honest, I think I would be much less harsh on Sera's character arc if only she wasn't the first lesbian LI, and technically 3rd lesbian character (not counting queer women who could possibly be bisexual) in DA universe, when the other 2 have been horrible. Then I simply would see her as somewhat bratty, somewhat lovable teenage kid with issues. Then her lack of maturity and understanding that she's hurting other people's feelings could be explained to some point by her age, she would still have time to grow up. Judging from the fact the Warden gave her a toy for little kids 10 years before, she could be even around 16.

 

I had that impression about her characterization before I found out in devs' descriptions from game files that this is basically how they see that character, since they emphasized twice how young she is, that she's passionate although selfish, hasn’t thought her beliefs through yet and has next to no self awareness.

 

But for me, there's huge problem here. If she's teenage kid who just has to take her time to grow up, why on earth can we have sex and romance with her? Because of that when I romanced her, to not feel like I'm taking advantage of her I had to treat her like any other adult who should feel responsible for what they're doing to other people.

 

Only now I'm convinced more than ever she was never written to be adult, which makes me feel really disappointed, because it shows terrible double standards in writing. Cole in many ways is the same, just way more polite and I would even say, actually more mature than Sera (listen to their banters), he's just more innocent to the ways of mankind that Sera. There were some people who wanted to romance him, which made the writers perplexed by the very idea since he's mentally immature.

But it wasn't a problem when it comes to the first lesbian-only romance, it's as if it wasn't taken so seriously as straight or gay male counterparts.

 

So, answering your question, I don't know how different Sera should be since the issues I have with her are deep in her very character arc. If she was more mature and empathetic, she would be largely different character. She can still grow up, but it would leave unfortunate questions why were we chasing her before that.

 

I have no specific preference for lesbian character, just wish she was treated the same as all the other characters, no double standards anymore, nor treating her again as the least important one. And most importantly, respect our sexuality. I wrote here quite a couple times before about damaging tropes and cliches about lesbians that the media are full of, and that making Traynor a fanservice for men was very disappointing to see since it played with those tropes, even if it wasn't as obnoxious yet (here is an example how lesbians and their sexuality are represented nowadays), and then I found out about similar thing happening in DAI, to Celene who has been confirmed to be gay woman.

[Serza]

Welp Sera's murder knife fail moment was lulzy, before she smashed that guy's head in though. *Always pick the noble perk from then on out yikes!*

 

Bah, she may have went the unnecessarily messy way, but the guy got what he was asking for. Which certainly is more than he bargained for, but such is life in Thedas.

[CrimsonN7]

Bah, she may have went the unnecessarily messy way, but the guy got what he was asking for. Which certainly is more than he bargained for, but such is life in Thedas.

 

Pick the noble option guy loses out more in the long run, Sera might learn something, things can be resolved without the need of violence. I just can't stand happily by and watch her kick a man to death, it's really disturbing.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

Pick the noble option guy loses out more in the long run, Sera might learn something, things can be resolved without the need of violence. I just can't stand happily by and watch her kick a man to death, it's really disturbing.

 

Upside: The approval gain is identical both ways, too.

[AresKeith]

Welp Sera's murder knife fail moment was lulzy, before she smashed that guy's head in though. *Always pick the noble perk from then on out yikes!*

 

You haven't seen head smash until you see this

 

[Serza]

Pick the noble option guy loses out more in the long run, Sera might learn something, things can be resolved without the need of violence. I just can't stand happily by and watch her kick a man to death, it's really disturbing.

 

Well, yes. And when all is done, he will return and can continue doing what he did.

Or maybe he won't - it all depends what sort of man the jerk is.

We could argue for hours on the subject, and while violence is not the ideal solution in many cases, it was him who got many more people dead because of a god damn land squabble. And the other noble.

 

So, yes. It sucks. Noble option may be better, or it may not be. It all depends on what he'd do, and how he'd behave when Corypheus is defeated, and he's released from Inquisition's service. Also, whether or not your Inky would let him go.

 

While it's clear she got caught up in the moment, her making it messy is also a great way to ensure that another shady does not try the same thing.  

 

ALWAYS, there will be someone thinking "Bah, that can't happen to ME" - ALWAYS. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

 

Clean kills are the only kills I may approve of under circumstances. Going messy is wrong.

At the end of the day, I do not approve of the method used, but I approve of the outcome.

[YourFunnyUncle]

Pick the noble option guy loses out more in the long run, Sera might learn something, things can be resolved without the need of violence. I just can't stand happily by and watch her kick a man to death, it's really disturbing.

Also she gets to smirk in his face, which is better than kicking his head in IMO.

 

[AlexiaRevan]

Well, yes. And when all is done, he will return and can continue doing what he did.

Or maybe he won't - it all depends what sort of man the jerk is.

We could argue for hours on the subject, and while violence is not the ideal solution in many cases, it was him who got many more people dead because of a god damn land squabble. And the other noble.

 

So, yes. It sucks. Noble option may be better, or it may not be. It all depends on what he'd do, and how he'd behave when Corypheus is defeated, and he's released from Inquisition's service. Also, whether or not your Inky would let him go.

 

 

ALWAYS, there will be someone thinking "Bah, that can't happen to ME" - ALWAYS. EVERY SINGLE TIME.

 

Clean kills are the only kills I may approve of under circumstances. Going messy is wrong.

At the end of the day, I do not approve of the method used, but I approve of the outcome.

Ah

 

I say..he doesnt lose any sleep killing peoples...neither should we . I Let her have it then we go eat some cookies 

[raging_monkey]

Ah
 
I say..he doesnt lose any sleep killing peoples...neither should we . I Let her have it then we go eat some cookies 

sounds like tuesday

[AlexiaRevan]

sounds like tuesday

cookies ! and muffin ! 

 

*throw Muffin* 

 

Beside the whole Sera missing the knife throwing , I think it was made in purpose . A wink to the knife murder thing in DAO..but at the same time , stating this isnt DAO anymore.....

[raging_monkey]

cookies ! and muffin ! 
 
*throw Muffin* 
 
Beside the whole Sera missing the knife throwing , I think it was made in purpose . A wink to the knife murder thing in DAO..but at the same time , stating this isnt DAO anymore.....

* eats muffin* tbh ive only used the murder knife twice.

Once on dayla the werewolf
Once on the guy in the wending woods

oh yeah and on kelder.... though that was justified

[AlexiaRevan]

* eats muffin* tbh ive only used the murder knife twice.

Once on dayla the werewolf
Once on the guy in the wending woods

oh yeah and on kelder.... though that was justified

Aww how could ya ! 

 

if ya dont meet dayla..she be saved ! *throw Anvil of Pain* 

 

Well that one yeah...and during the bride scene for city elf.........and the prisoner in ostagar...and the wounded guy ya find in the kokari...........and....some more elsewhere I dont remember now...

[CrimsonN7]

You haven't seen head smash until you see this

 

 

It's been ages since I last played a MK game, I need a new game.

[introverted_assassin]

wayment...how old do y'all think Sera IS?

[raging_monkey]

Aww how could ya !  if ya dont meet dayla..she be saved ! *throw Anvil of Pain*  Well that one yeah...and during the bride scene for city elf.........and the prisoner in ostagar...and the wounded guy ya find in the kokari...........and....some more elsewhere I dont remember now...

* lies down in pain from anvil* ow...

She asked for it. I thought i was helping...

And golly you stab alot lol

[YourFunnyUncle]

wayment...how old do y'all think Sera IS?

Early twenties I think, if she was a kid during the blight...

[AresKeith]

It's been ages since I last played a MK game, I need a new game.

 

You should play MK9/2011 and MKX they're really dark and fun