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#64951
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Umm, okay.

 

Are you going to be dressing as a sailor this year?  ;)

 

Nope, the Type III (AOR2) is a combat uniform. More of a Navy SEAL.

If I wanted to play dress up and look like a US sailor, I'd just go for Type I.

 

Bah, it's distant future, anyway...

 

Nope. I'm a wuss. And whiny., although I'll try not to torture you guys with my high-pitches whimpers. :P

 

You haven't heard torture until you have heard me sing.



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Nope, the Type III (AOR2) is a combat uniform. More of a Navy SEAL.

If I wanted to play dress up and look like a US sailor, I'd just go for Type I.

 

Bah, it's distant future, anyway...

 

 

You haven't heard torture until you have heard me sing.

 

Oh you should go for it! <3 



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You haven't heard torture until you have heard me sing.

 

*fires revolver at your feet*

 

Sing boy, sing!

 

*spits into a bucket*



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Nope. I'm a wuss. And whiny., although I'll try not to torture you guys with my high-pitches whimpers. :P

 

If you need to whimper, whimper away :) I don't judge.

 

Homemade smoothies are good...


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If you need to whimper, whimper away :) I don't judge.

 

Homemade smoothies are good...

 

*whinepout* I hate being sick. 



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I  like apples and don't drink much apple juice. I like really tart apples and most apple juice tends to be on the sweeter end of things. 


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*whinepout* I hate being sick. 

 

Do you have friends nearby who can bring you stuff? Not too long ago a friend drove over and left some Nyquil on my doorstep (I didn't want her to catch anything). Just you know, when you need something.



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Do you have friends nearby who can bring you stuff? Not too long ago a friend drove over and left some Nyquil on my doorstep (I didn't want her to catch anything). Just you know, when you need something.

 

I have parentals. 

 

Perks to living at home. :P 



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I have parentals. 

 

Perks to living at home. :P

 

Perfect :)



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Something I was thinking about last night after wrapping up my 2nd campaign: Why does Cassandra get demoted from the council of war after Haven? This is never explained and yet it is clearly a demotion. She is a founding member of the Inquisition (arguably the most important member at it's inception) and a candidate for the Divine yet she is sent out to Skyhold's grounds to whack away at fencing dummies. Odd that.



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*whinepout* I hate being sick. 

 

Lots of soup and hot tea. Dayquil and Nyquil bombardment and keep the box of kleenex beside you. Other than that: SLEEP.



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Something I was thinking about last night after wrapping up my 2nd campaign: Why does Cassandra get demoted from the council of war after Haven? This is never explained and yet it is clearly a demotion. She is a founding member of the Inquisition (arguably the most important member at it's inception) and a candidate for the Divine yet she is sent out to Skyhold's grounds to whack away at fencing dummies. Odd that.

 

...I never even thought of that. 

 

Maybe she had a chat with Josie about how running all over Thedas with the inquisitor was too taxing to also go to war table meetings. 



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Lots of soup and hot tea. Dayquil and Nyquil bombardment and keep the box of kleenex beside you. Other than that: SLEEP.

 

Bah, who ever heard of sleep? :P 


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...I never even thought of that. 

 

Maybe she had a chat with Josie about how running all over Thedas with the inquisitor was too taxing to also go to war table meetings. 

 

Or Leliana slipped a dagger into the small of her back and whispered "I've got this covered kid so take a powder!"  :P


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Something I was thinking about last night after wrapping up my 2nd campaign: Why does Cassandra get demoted from the council of war after Haven? This is never explained and yet it is clearly a demotion. She is a founding member of the Inquisition (arguably the most important member at it's inception) and a candidate for the Divine yet she is sent out to Skyhold's grounds to whack away at fencing dummies. Odd that.

To be fair she's out whacking fencing dummies in Haven, too, but yes it did strike me as odd that as soon as you're made Inquisitor, she steps away from the war table, and nothing is said about it.



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Something I was thinking about last night after wrapping up my 2nd campaign: Why does Cassandra get demoted from the council of war after Haven? This is never explained and yet it is clearly a demotion. She is a founding member of the Inquisition (arguably the most important member at it's inception) and a candidate for the Divine yet she is sent out to Skyhold's grounds to whack away at fencing dummies. Odd that.

She was de facto leader before and stepped down when the Inquisitor got the job because she trusted their judgement better than her own?


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To be fair she's out whacking fencing dummies in Haven, too, but yes it did strike me as odd that as soon as you're made Inquisitor, she steps away from the war table, and nothing is said about it.

 

Right, they could have added in a line about her taking on the more immediate role of close adviser or something. Cause then Morrigan joins and...



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She was de facto leader before and stepped down when the Inquisitor got the job because she trusted their judgement better than her own?

 

Yes, agreed, but there is no war table role? Still seems odd. I can see something to Cullen having the military role, Leliana-spies, Josey-diplomacy so could have at least had Cassandra say something to that effect. It feels awkward left unsaid.



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Yes, agreed, but there is no war table role? Still seems odd. I can see something to Cullen having the military role, Leliana-spies, Josey-diplomacy so could have at least had Cassandra say something to that effect. It feels awkward left unsaid.

Was wondering the same thing myself. I always write it off as "She's the unofficial second-in-command."


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Right, they could have added in a line about her taking on the more immediate role of close adviser or something. Cause then Morrigan joins and...

 

That contrast is very interesting.



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Something I was thinking about last night after wrapping up my 2nd campaign: Why does Cassandra get demoted from the council of war after Haven? This is never explained and yet it is clearly a demotion. She is a founding member of the Inquisition (arguably the most important member at it's inception) and a candidate for the Divine yet she is sent out to Skyhold's grounds to whack away at fencing dummies. Odd that.

 

I don't think she got demoted. I think she left the postilion to take more of a field adviser role, once she knew the inqus was up to the task. The truth is that being an adviser and chained to the war table is the last thing she wanted. Because it completely clashed with her personality and talking to her after she is elected divine, really drives the point home.   


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I have no specific preference for lesbian character, just wish she was treated the same as all the other characters, no double standards anymore, nor treating her again as the least important one. And most importantly, respect our sexuality. I wrote here quite a couple times before about damaging tropes and cliches about lesbians that the media are full of, and that making Traynor a fanservice for men was very disappointing to see since it played with those tropes, even if it wasn't as obnoxious yet (here is an example how lesbians and their sexuality are represented nowadays), and then I found out about similar thing happening in DAI, to Celene who has been confirmed to be gay woman.

 

Thanks for taking the time to answer.  It seems Sera as a character was a disappointment for you and failed as a LI for you as well. 

 

To throw a question out to anyone who wants to answer, though your answer would be especially appreciated, did Sera succeed as a realistic lesbian character?  I know you had concerns about her Iron Bull quanari line being taken by the game playing audience to indicate that she might not be exclusively interested in women, but taken as a whole did she succeed as an accurate portrayal of a lesbian character?

 

With regard to respecting lesbians and lesbians’ sexuality, are there any positive/accurate/good representations of how lesbians and their sexuality should be represented?  The failure shown in the link above (and the links in your other posts) is helpful in showing what should not be done if one is trying to be respectful.  I already know many ways to fail.  What does success look like?



#64973
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But then you missed musical episode and this song:

 

No..I didnt miss that..

 

I watched until a certain someone died.....So kinda..only last season I didnt bother with . 



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Thanks for taking the time to answer.  It seems Sera as a character was a disappointment for you and failed as a LI for you as well. 

 

To throw a question out to anyone who wants to answer, though your answer would be especially appreciated, did Sera succeed as a realistic lesbian character?  I know you had concerns about her Iron Bull quanari line being taken by the game playing audience to indicate that she might not be exclusively interested in women, but taken as a whole did she succeed as an accurate portrayal of a lesbian character?

 

With regard to respecting lesbians and lesbians’ sexuality, are there any positive/accurate/good representations of how lesbians and their sexuality should be represented?  The failure shown in the link above (and the links in your other posts) is helpful in showing what should not be done if one is trying to be respectful.  I already know many ways to fail.  What does success look like?

 

I personally think that sexuality is best showcased when it's a non-issue.

 

I think that the best characters are when you don't actually know their sexuality at first and then when you find out it's like "Oh, they're a lesbian/gay. Okay." And it's no big deal because they're such an interesting character otherwise. 

 

I really like how the movie Pitch Perfect dealt with it. There's a character named Cynthia Rose who everyone is always labelling as a probable lesbian, but no-one actually knows. Then at the end when they're sharing secrets Cynthia admits that she has a gambling addiction, when everyone thought she was about to come out. Then she says that it started after she broke up with her girlfriend.

 

And it's like such a non-issue at that point because her other character point was such a big deal. 



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I personally think that sexuality is best showcased when it's a non-issue.

 

I think that the best characters are when you don't actually know their sexuality at first and then when you find out it's like "Oh, they're a lesbian/gay. Okay." And it's no big deal because they're such an interesting character otherwise. 

 

I really like how the movie Pitch Perfect dealt with it. There's a character named Cynthia Rose who everyone is always labelling as a probable lesbian, but no-one actually knows. Then at the end when they're sharing secrets Cynthia admits that she has a gambling addiction, when everyone thought she was about to come out. Then she says that it started after she broke up with her girlfriend.

 

And it's like such a non-issue at that point because her other character point was such a big deal. 

So the win..is when its normal...dont make a big deal out of it ? 

 

I personally dont care about the 'being represented' stuff . All I want is 2 thing: Let me be a women and let me kiss one as well . I dont need the smoochable Lady to represent me....

The one I'm play is suspposed to represent me....

 

Anyway..is Monkey on ? I need him noooooooooooow