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[lady_v23]

It's much to let him live, take away everything he holds dear and force him to work for you.

Sera also gets to laugh in his face.

[YourFunnyUncle]

It's much to let him live, take away everything he holds dear and force him to work for you.

Sera also gets to laugh in his face.

Indeed. And blow a raspberry at him.

 

[The Loyal Nub]

It's much to let him live, take away everything he holds dear and force him to work for you.

Sera also gets to laugh in his face.

 

If you let him live and take him on your going to take an approval hit with Sera right? What's your next step? How do you get to that point where she is ok with your decision? Since I have never let him live I am just curious as to how this works?

[lady_v23]

If you let him live and take him on your going to take an approval hit with Sera right? What's your next step? How do you get to that point where she is ok with your decision? Since I have never let him live I am just curious as to how this works?

no. Not really. I always choose the little golden crown option.

[wintery]

• displacement of refugees because of greed
• killing of people who get in his way
• expressing conviction in his actions and worldview, revealing that he will continue to displace and/or kill the powerless whenever it suits him

I have already used the power of the Inquisition to aid refugees. Sometimes this involved ruthlessly killing "bandits", rogue mages, rogue templars. I have already killed many times to help those who struggle in fear, who have lost their homes and families.

 

This man will continue. He believes in the rightness of his actions, and sees no worth, no humanity, in those he has hurt. Killing him is a continuation of those things I did early on in Hinterlands, and at the same time I am standing by those who are close to me.

 

Did I expect Sera to bludgeon him to death the first time? No. Is this better than putting an arrow in him, or having Leliana send someone to "deal" with him where I don't have to watch? Well this is more visceral, certainly. I could send someone to remove him, kill him, make him homeless, sentence him to become a servant (is that an option?) like I did later on to someone. Would that be more merciful?

 

But I will not recruit him. I won't have someone who abuses his power to displace the powerless. (Perhaps this form of abuse of power is particularly upsetting to me, I admit)

 

Will someone step into the power vacuum left behind? Probably. That's tomorrow.

 

And Sera did toss him a knife...

[YourFunnyUncle]

If you let him live and take him on your going to take an approval hit with Sera right? What's your next step? How do you get to that point where she is ok with your decision? Since I have never let him live I am just curious as to how this works?

Er... Look at my screenshot. If you let him live with the nobility perk, she approves.

[The Loyal Nub]

 

 

And Sera did toss him a knife...

 

 

When I mentioned this a while back I was met with "but that was just poor execution on her part cause she meant to kill him with it." Really? She's an experienced fighter who would no way throw a cream-puff like that from a few feet. She tossed it to him so he would not be defence-less was how I read that. Glad to see someone else saw it that way too.

[The Loyal Nub]

Er... Look at my screenshot. If you let him live with the nobility perk, she approves.

 

It does look that way and thanks for posting that Uncle. I haven't gotten that scene in my third playthrough and this time I am a much more elfy elf so I might just rp it so I don't let her kill him.

[lady_v23]

• displacement of refugees because of greed
• killing of people who get in his way
• expressing conviction in his actions and worldview, revealing that he will continue to displace and/or kill the powerless whenever it suits him

I have already used the power of the Inquisition to aid refugees. Sometimes this involved ruthlessly killing "bandits", rogue mages, rogue templars. I have already killed many times to help those who struggle in fear, who have lost their homes and families.

This man will continue. He believes in the rightness of his actions, and sees no worth, no humanity, in those he has hurt. Killing him is a continuation of those things I did early on in Hinterlands, and at the same time I am standing by those who are close to me.

Did I expect Sera to bludgeon him to death the first time? No. Is this better than putting an arrow in him, or having Leliana send someone to "deal" with him where I don't have to watch? Well this is more visceral, certainly. I could send someone to remove him, kill him, make him homeless, sentence him to become a servant (is that an option?) like I did later on to someone. Would that be more merciful?

But I will not recruit him. I won't have someone who abuses his power to displace the powerless. (Perhaps this form of power abuse is particularly upsetting to me, I admit)

Will someone step into the power vacuum left behind? Probably. That's tomorrow.

And Sera did toss him a knife...</p>

Let's just put it this way. You either kill
Him because he's an ***** or you get an useful ***** that will benefit the inquisition.

You put him in his place, return to sky hold with more benefits and sera is happy with you. So I seriously think the golden crown option is more beneficial.

[SardaukarElite]

When I mentioned this a while back I was met with "but that was just poor execution on her part cause she meant to kill him with it." Really? She's an experienced fighter who would no way throw a cream-puff like that from a few feet. She tossed it to him so he would not be defence-less was how I read that. Glad to see someone else saw it that way too.

 

Any honour saved by not killing him unarmed is rendered moot by her kneeing him in the face before he can pick it up and adopt a ready stance.

 

Knife throwing in the real world is a stupid way to kill anyone, it works far better as a joke on that than DA's own version of Han didn't shoot first.

[wintery]

I've stopped taking those first row perks because they tend to give you lots of bonus xp for unlocked codexes. I was annoyed because I kept leveling too quickly. Not taking those perks denies me certain conversation options, but the pace of leveling is more what I'm comfortable with.

 

If they didn't add bonus xp I'd probably take them.

[YourFunnyUncle]

 

• displacement of refugees because of greed
• killing of people who get in his way
• expressing conviction in his actions and worldview, revealing that he will continue to displace and/or kill the powerless whenever it suits him

I have already used the power of the Inquisition to aid refugees. Sometimes this involved ruthlessly killing "bandits", rogue mages, rogue templars. I have already killed many times to help those who struggle in fear, who have lost their homes and families.

 

This man will continue. He believes in the rightness of his actions, and sees no worth, no humanity, in those he has hurt. Killing him is a continuation of those things I did early on in Hinterlands, and at the same time I am standing by those who are close to me.

 

Did I expect Sera to bludgeon him to death the first time? No. Is this better than putting an arrow in him, or having Leliana send someone to "deal" with him where I don't have to watch? Well this is more visceral, certainly. I could send someone to remove him, kill him, make him homeless, sentence him to become a servant (is that an option?) like I did later on to someone. Would that be more merciful?

 

But I will not recruit him. I won't have someone who abuses his power to displace the powerless. (Perhaps this form of abuse of power is particularly upsetting to me, I admit)

 

Will someone step into the power vacuum left behind? Probably. That's tomorrow.

 

And Sera did toss him a knife...

Those are fine reasons, and that's why I can't be angry with Sera for wanting to kill him. I just would rather have someone in power who I can use to do good. I can force him to atone for his actions whether he wants to or not. 

[WildOrchid]

When I mentioned this a while back I was met with "but that was just poor execution on her part cause she meant to kill him with it." Really? She's an experienced fighter who would no way throw a cream-puff like that from a few feet. She tossed it to him so he would not be defence-less was how I read that. Glad to see someone else saw it that way too.

 

Interesting, I hadn't thought of this. I mostly took it as Sera taking him by surprise. Yours sounds better than mine.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I've stopped taking those first row perks because they tend to give you lots of bonus xp for unlocked codexes. I was annoyed because I kept leveling too quickly. Not taking those perks denies me certain conversation options, but the pace of leveling is more what I'm comfortable with.

 

If they didn't add bonus xp I'd probably take them.

Playing on Nightmare, that doesn't bother me at all...

[lady_v23]

For a true masoquist experience play on casual then change to nightmare when killing a boss or dragon.

[The Loyal Nub]

Those are fine reasons, and that's why I can't be angry with Sera for wanting to kill him. I just would rather have someone in power who I can use to do good. I can force him to atone for his actions whether he wants to or not. 

 

I'm going to try this out this time around. I like Wintery's pov about his abuse of power but if atonement for his past is possible I'd like to see it.

 

Interesting, I hadn't thought of this. I mostly took it as Sera taking him by surprise. Yours sounds better than mine.

 

She does still fight dirty by kneeing him in the face as soon as he stoops so it's not a fully decent gesture on her part but then again she has zero respect for him but still wanted to pay at least lip-service to her ethics. I don't have as big a problem with this scene as some do. I get why she does it. He'd just tried to kill her with hired thugs and her friends had been murdered. She owed him very little consideration considering.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I'm going to try this out this time around. I like Wintery's pov about his abuse of power but if atonement for his past is possible I'd like to see it.

 

I guess you have to headcanon what happens afterwards, as it's not mentioned again, but you basically say something along the lines of "You work for me now. You do what I say, and you should be grateful to be alive."

[SardaukarElite]

She does still fight dirty by kneeing him in the face as soon as he stoops so it's not a fully decent gesture on her part but then again she has zero respect for him but still wanted to pay at least lip-service to her ethics.

 

Exactly which ethics of hers are these? The whole idea of killing someone only when they're armed is so... formal, it's charade of civility, it's downright Orlesian. Does that sound like Sera?

[wintery]

Those are fine reasons, and that's why I can't be angry with Sera for wanting to kill him. I just would rather have someone in power who I can use to do good. I can force him to atone for his actions whether he wants to or not. 

 

Can you "force" someone to atone? Is atonement real or meaningful if it's coerced and never actually accepted? If we take atonement as punishment or reparations, perhaps. But would it actually change him? Perhaps he would feel genuine remorse in time, although I would have difficulty using the Inquisition as an "atonement for monstrous nobles" community service organization

 

I'm not sure he would be all that useful anyway. I've used the power of the Inquisition to affect which nobles take which position of power. Perhaps I should "arrange" for someone else to take this man's place as I did elsewhere in Orlais. Between Leliana and Josephine, I'm sure that could be arranged.

[The Loyal Nub]

I guess you have to headcanon what happens afterwards, as it's not mentioned again, but you basically say something along the lines of "You work for me now. You do what I say, and you should be grateful to be alive."

 

I headcanon a lot of extra things into the game already so one more one be a problem. Perhaps I'll picture ordering him to care for the wounded and those seeking shelter in Skyhold.

[AlexiaRevan]

I can't endorse beating an unarmed man to death without trial, however much of an arsehole he may be. Well my first two characters couldn't, anyway.

But he admit to killing her friend..there is no need of Trial when he say he is guilty..no ? 

 

And he patronize ya...Aargh...let Sera have her fun ! 

[AlexiaRevan]

There will never be a playthrough in which I do not say "Just kill him Sera".

 

I say it every. Single. Time.

 

 

There were things I'm pretty sure I should have gotten approval for and didn't, so I just assumed it was because I was already maxed out. Of course it could be a bug, who knows   But I always already on the third card and things were great between us, so I would not question

Same...

 

He is a Jerk..

 

He admit his guilt

 

He is a Noble Snob

 

He patronize ya about your 'nature'....yeah watever

 

And he Think he can get away with it...

 

DIeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Sera Style ! 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Can you "force" someone to atone? Is atonement real or meaningful if it's coerced and never actually accepted? If we take atonement as punishment or reparations, perhaps. But would it actually change him? Perhaps he would feel genuine remorse in time, although I would have difficulty using the Inquisition as an "atonement for monstrous nobles" community service organization

 

I'm not sure he would be all that useful anyway. I've used the power of the Inquisition to affect which nobles take which position of power. Perhaps I should "arrange" for someone else to take this man's place as I did elsewhere in Orlais. Between Leliana and Josephine, I'm sure that could be arranged.

I'm not sure that genuine remorse on his part is necessary. Once he's dead, he's not feeling anything either way. If he's alive, he gets to be forced to do stuff that he doesn't want to, and know that if he displeases me I can make him nothing. I prefer that as a punishment, myself. Death is so final.

[The Loyal Nub]

Same...

 

He is a Jerk..

 

DIeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee! Sera Style ! 

 

[LightningPoodle]

But he admit to killing her friend..there is no need of Trial when he say he is guilty..no ? 

 

I think trials still go ahead. The criminal has to be judged and a sentence must be placed. You could say he underwent life without parol in less than a minute.