Sera "The Artful Dodger" discussion thread - V2 (now with more V1)
#66326
Posté 06 février 2015 - 06:09
#66327
Posté 06 février 2015 - 06:26
fiona has it growing out of her and states that it is then farmed from those bodies once they are dead (and sometimes when they are living according to the info we get from that one guard dying in Emprise Du Lion). rinse and repeat. for it to spread so quickly and no darkspawn or wardens are anywhere near there doesn't add up with that being the only way it is made. perhaps she was referring to it's original composition. cause that'd be hella dilution if it all came from that same source.
Sorry, I was abrupt, I'll elaborate. Assuming Bianca is right, red lyrium is Tainted lyrium. However the stuff grows (I think normal lyrium does as well?) so you can farm it in people (Or does it grow anywhere?). What's interesting is that red lyrium predates darkspawn, the implication being that the Taint is older than the Magisters entering the Golden City - or whatever it was that they actually did - which means that it has a different source than just regular Darkspawn corruption, or it is the source or something.
Anyway, farming is the right word, the thing is that the stuff is alive and carrying the Taint so when they grow more of it they are reproducing rather than producing it. Or that's my understanding anyway.
It's like evil penicillin.
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#66328
Posté 06 février 2015 - 06:27
Back to work tomorrow, y'all. And it's my birthday tomorrow too! Wish me luck.
Happy Birthday... for tomorrow...? Can you wish someone happy birthday, before it is their birthday?
#66329
Posté 06 février 2015 - 07:13
Back to work tomorrow, y'all. And it's my birthday tomorrow too! Wish me luck.
I bet you're like this right now, thinking it'll be aca-mazing.

(Hope you appreciate the reference, I died a little inside making it.)
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#66330
Posté 06 février 2015 - 07:38
I bet you're like this right now, thinking it'll be aca-mazing.
(Hope you appreciate the reference, I died a little inside making it.)
Heehee, I love it Duel. Thank you. ![]()
#66331
Posté 06 février 2015 - 07:53
Heehee, I love it Duel. Thank you.
Since it worked, cool
#66332
Posté 06 février 2015 - 08:38
Apparently they used to use their skeletons in anatomy exams to catch out students. There are just a few key differences that show that they are marsupials and not actually related to dogs at all (well not in tens of millions of years anyway). A cool example of convergent evolution.well that was interesting cross reading. Thylacine. extinct canivorus dog or wolf like animals. huh.
Krem has my single favourite piece of DAI fan art.Thanks, everyone I appreciate the pick me up.
I'm going to get some sleep now. Night all.

Mike Laidlaw tweeted that at Patrick Weekes the other day to cheer him up. Pretty sure that BioWare are proud of Krem, whatever haters may say.
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#66333
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:02
i think its prussian sounds really harsh even when she's being nice
You do realize what Prussia is, Monkey?
No, it's specifically her. My family is German and I grew up speaking German. It's just Cassandra's voice, blech.
So... do you admit to Cass being somewhat German-ey in accent...?
I don't know. She sounds like that to me. Not much slavic I can hear in there, but maybe it's me being deaf AND stupid.
Prussia doesn't exist.
She doesn't sound much like most Germans who speak English. For instance, she sounds nothing like me (although my accent is kinda atypical as well). I've described it before as a bizarre mixture, like a Brandenburger who went to Poxbridge, but now I'm not sure that that's right. Anyway, Miranda Raison said it was a mishmash of different stuff, and it's not like Nevarra actually is Germany.
I agree. Prussia roughly the same thing as the German Empire in late 19th and early 20th century. It stretches out roughly as far as the north-eastern Polish border, and possibly Russia/Lithuania. (When saying Russia, I mean the bit around Kaliningrad that's Russia)
In layman's terms. I'm just an enthusiast, remember.
And will stay one, because of bloody Marxism, ugh...
#66334
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:23
It's quite conceivable that there are bits in Cass's accent that may remind some person of one German they knew, and maybe someone else of a Polish person, or a Hungarian (three different underlying language groups there.). They might all be right, because it could contain elements of them all (I'm not enough of an expert to say, really.) The key is that it doesn't sound exactly like any real-world accent, beyond sounding like a vaguely Eastern European accent that a Brit made up, which is what it is. ![]()
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#66335
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:35
It's quite conceivable that there are bits in Cass's accent that may remind some person of one German they knew, and maybe someone else of a Polish person, or a Hungarian (three different underlying language groups there.). They might all be right, because it could contain elements of them all (I'm not enough of an expert to say, really.) The key is that it doesn't sound exactly like any real-world accent, beyond sounding like a vaguely Eastern European accent that a Brit made up, which is what it is.
Whatever her accent is, I always found Cassandra's speech to be interesting. The flow seems a bit halting, like she has trouble forming/finding words. She also has trouble coming up with words when writing. Maybe she has a learning disability?
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#66336
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:45
Whatever her accent is, I always found Cassandra's speech to be interesting. The flow seems a bit halting, like she has trouble forming/finding words. She also has trouble coming up with words when writing. Maybe she has a learning disability?
What language do people speak in Nevarra? maybe English/The Common Tongue is her second language, and she's still not 100% confident, despite clearly having spoken it for decades...
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#66337
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:45
I really want to meet someone else from Nevarra just to hear what they sound like.
And will stay one, because of bloody Marxism, ugh...
Wait, what did Marxism do now?
Maybe she has a learning disability?
Or just struggles with putting her emotions into words. Short temper and all that.
#66338
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:51
Wait, what did Marxism do now?
Other than being the topic of my exam, nothing.
#66339
Posté 06 février 2015 - 10:59
My sister has a learning disability in terms of her writing. I don't think she's ever been formally diagnosed with dyslexia or similar as she's ten years older than me and that didn't really happen when she was at school, but it's really tough to understand her text messages and emails at times. In any case it clearly held her back at school, as she doesn't have academic qualifications to match her intelligence. She shares with Cass that tendency to get angry and argumentative in the moment, and yet take what you say on board, coming back to apologise later if she thinks that you actually had a point. She's certainly not hesitant in her speech, though...
#66340
Posté 06 février 2015 - 12:21
My sister has a learning disability in terms of her writing. I don't think she's ever been formally diagnosed with dyslexia or similar as she's ten years older than me and that didn't really happen when she was at school, but it's really tough to understand her text messages and emails at times. In any case it clearly held her back at school, as she doesn't have academic qualifications to match her intelligence. She shares with Cass that tendency to get angry and argumentative in the moment, and yet take what you say on board, coming back to apologise later if she thinks that you actually had a point. She's certainly not hesitant in her speech, though...
*puts on pince-nez* 
There are all kinds of learning disabilities. Dyslexia mostly impairs writing, although it can translate into speech as well, mostly in the form of inverted syllables or sounds within a word ('ien' instead of 'ein' in French for example).
Hesitant speech can be caused by simple discomfort when talking. I know I have had some students who were terrified of making mistakes and appearing stupid, thus they refused to say a word. Very tricky to overcome because that is a psychological hurdle as opposed to a physical one like stuttering and mumbling.
When it comes to Cassandra, I think her difficulty in expressing herself mostly comes from her straightforward approach. She uses simple words to express simple concepts, ie. Somebody did something wrong, I set it right and punish the wrongdoer. It's when things are more nuanced that it becomes difficult for her. I think her difficulty in expressing these things is related to her difficulty in understanding them.
Compare to people like Leliana and Josephine who use very nuanced speech and who have very flexible minds.
Then compare to Sera who also has a very straightforward view of things. The difference is that Sera invents words when the ones she has are insuficient to express what she sees/hears. Leading to much confusion for others.
In conclusion, I think Cassandra's way of speaking is an effect of her thought patterns, which tend in a straightforward direction, much like Sera's.
*removes pince-nez*
Thank you. Class dismissed.

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#66341
Posté 06 février 2015 - 12:34
Oh the brain is very complex and I'm aware that there are many different ways in which learning difficulties can manifest. That's why I'm hesitant to call my sister dyslexic. As I say she's never been formally diagnosed with anything, and I'm not qualified to do it! I just brought her up because you made me think of her, and she does share that short temper with Cass.
I do actually think that Cass can understand nuance. She'd prefer the world to be simpler and sometimes she acts as though it is, but she does understand that it isn't. I don't think she'd be so accommodating of other views and cultures were that not the case. What I do think is that she needs time to process things, and has a tendency not to take it, causing her to react strongly in the moment, and regret it later.
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#66342
Posté 06 février 2015 - 12:46
Oh the brain is very complex and I'm aware that there are many different ways in which learning difficulties can manifest. That's why I'm hesitant to call my sister dyslexic. As I say she's never been formally diagnosed with anything, and I'm not qualified to do it! I just brought her up because you made me think of her, and she does share that short temper with Cass.
I do actually think that Cass can understand nuance. She'd prefer the world to be simpler and sometimes she acts as though it is, but she does understand that it isn't. I don't think she'd be so accommodating of other views and cultures were that not the case. What I do think is that she needs time to process things, and has a tendency not to take it, causing her to react strongly in the moment, and regret it later.
Your second paragraph would explain why she is so patient with Sera. They think in a similar fashion, even if they do not share the same opinions. A little game: let's call straight thinkers 'bars' and nuanced thinkers 'dots'. Who among our companions and advisors are bars or dots?
Bars:
Cassandra
Sera
Blackwall
Cole
Cullen
Dots:
Iron Bull
Dorian
Solas
Varric
Leliana
Josephine
Mix: Vivienne. She understands and uses nuances, but at the same time her view and understanding of the world is mostly limited to what benefits her. So a mix of bar and dot. Which makes an 'i'. Because that's what matters most to her.
No, this entire post was not a setup for this joke.
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#66343
Posté 06 février 2015 - 12:58
Oh the brain is very complex
Now there's an understatement.
I do actually think that Cass can understand nuance. She'd prefer the world to be simpler and sometimes she acts as though it is, but she does understand that it isn't. I don't think she'd be so accommodating of other views and cultures were that not the case. What I do think is that she needs time to process things, and has a tendency not to take it, causing her to react strongly in the moment, and regret it later.
She has a lot of self doubt. She isn't comfortable opening up with her emotions, the same as she isn't comfortable leading the Inquisition. Though I guess that also feeds into her being so receptive of Sera's half-mocking criticism.
#66344
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:00
Back to work tomorrow, y'all. And it's my birthday tomorrow too! Wish me luck.
Happy birthday! I send you wizards with birthday presents.
Fly, my minions...
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#66345
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:15
Back to work tomorrow, y'all. And it's my birthday tomorrow too! Wish me luck.
Happy Birthday Cap! Enjoy your day and hopefully you'll feel better too! ![]()
#66346
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:20
#66347
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:24
Happy birthday, Cap!

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#66348
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:27
My sister has a learning disability in terms of her writing. I don't think she's ever been formally diagnosed with dyslexia or similar as she's ten years older than me and that didn't really happen when she was at school, but it's really tough to understand her text messages and emails at times. In any case it clearly held her back at school, as she doesn't have academic qualifications to match her intelligence. She shares with Cass that tendency to get angry and argumentative in the moment, and yet take what you say on board, coming back to apologise later if she thinks that you actually had a point. She's certainly not hesitant in her speech, though...
Sometimes that argumentative stuff comes from what people with learning disabilities endure. I have dyslexia and it was very severe. I fell behind very quickly in school as a child and one principal wrote to my Mother that I should be placed in the disabled class. My Mother fought it. But the stigma gets applied to you early and the taunts from classmates. Even in High School when I had worked my way into honor roll on a regular basis an advisor told me to avoid university and go for job training. Well a history degree later and a Master's in Information Science and that still rankles me. People don't get over that easily. I still need a calculator to do any sort of math at all. I still catch myself writing things backwards and have to stop and focus and try again.
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#66349
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:35
Sometimes that argumentative stuff comes from what people with learning disabilities endure. I have dyslexia and it was very severe. I fell behind very quickly in school as a child and one principal wrote to my Mother that I should be placed in the disabled class. My Mother fought it. But the stigma gets applied to you early and the taunts from classmates. Even in High School when I had worked my way into honor roll on a regular basis an advisor told me to avoid university and go for job training. Well a history degree later and a Master's in Information Science and that still rankles me. People don't get over that easily. I still need a calculator to do any sort of math at all. I still catch myself writing things backwards and have to stop and focus and try again.
Now that is a job that needs to die in a fiery pit! Advisors know nothing about the people they are 'guiding' beyond numbers on a page. Personality types matter too in the choice of a profession. A person's grades are not a good indicator of future career success.
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#66350
Posté 06 février 2015 - 01:41
Now that is a job that needs to die in a fiery pit! Advisors know nothing about the people they are 'guiding' beyond numbers on a page. Personality types matter too in the choice of a profession. A person's grades are not a good indicator of future career success.
You know I think back on it Cat and I get really angry cause I was an A student and I was honor roll but I know what he was looking at when he made that judgment. He was looking at the SAT test results (exam that determines your college eligibility in US for non-Americans) and he was ignoring my very high verbal score and looking at my math results which were really poor. He looked simply at that and wrote me off completely. Nothing else mattered. But he wasn't the only one. That's the kind of stuff you get from school admin types or you got then. I suspect it's different now that more is known or understood about learning disabilities and other issues like Autism and ADD. I agree with you about grades too. People learn differently and environment is sometimes key too (i.e. small or large class environments).
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