ikr its the only sensible place on the bsnSo much wisdom.....in here..its overwhelming...
Sera "The Artful Dodger" discussion thread - V2 (now with more V1)
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Grieving Natashina
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#66926
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:07
raging_monkey
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Retour en haut
#66927
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:09
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ikr its the only sensible place on the bsn
Ya betcha....we got brain , Soul , heart and Bewbz...nothing can beat that . 
edit: oh and in case ya didnt know..ya and me are the bewbz !! eirene just gained the Mantle of Brain along side of Grand Pa and Parkau lol
Danieleeeeeeee and Kasumiiii and Stella are the Soul ! everyone else is the Heart ..cose we keep coming back 
No whining! The Mascotte Sera has spoken!
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:11
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Because those situations are never exactly the same. Because sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. Because the definitions for success and failure are different every time.
For three hundred years between the early seventeenth century and the early twentieth century, many countries attempted to invade Russia from the west. All failed. Some failed quite spectacularly. If there was any sort of rule about grand strategy by that point, it was 'don't invade Russia'. The country was too big, too poorly developed, too populous. It would swallow up any invader. As tensions between Russia and Germany grew at the dawn of the twentieth century, Germany's military leaders were so terrified of the prospect of invading Russia that they structured their entire army and war plan around avoiding that at all costs until there was no other choice.
War broke out in 1914. And although Germany did not begin by invading Russia, the General Staff found itself reluctantly shipping more and more troops east into the trackless steppe: a certain recipe, they thought, for doom...but an unavoidable one.
Fast forward to March 1918. Germany's armies were triumphant everywhere in Russia. The Russian military had been virtually destroyed, by a combination of battlefield defeat and internal revolution. German legions planted their flags from the Baltic coast through to the Caucasus. It was as comprehensive a defeat as any in Russian history, and the new Soviet government had little choice but to come to terms in the humiliating peace of Brest-Litovsk.
The weight of history, of endless failed invasions of Russia, had not been on the German military's side; had Germany's leaders "learned from history" in the sort of facile way most people seem to understand, they would not have fought Russia at all. Yet they did fight. And they won. Because things were different that time, because anybody can get a little lucky, because the advantages that Russia supposedly possessed ended up never accruing properly. Because using a few blurry data points, where there are a thousand causes for everything that are almost impossible to isolate from one another, to define an ironclad Rule of History is stupid.
There is nothing intrinsic to the Middle East, or any other part of the world, that makes some sort of political or military action undertaken there automatically a Bad Idea. But there are many reasons why individual, specific actions taken there, on their own merits, might be Bad Ideas. If "learning from history" is to have any worth at all, then it should rely on that sort of nuance, not on half-baked sweeping proclamations based on a jaundiced view of the past.
Alright. I'm going to continue this conversation and keep things civil. But before I do so, I need to say a couple of things. One of the reasons that you really ticked me off last time was the simple fact that you started to lecture me to the point where you thought you needed to tell me how history works. That kind of stuff I'm pretty much not going to tolerate period. Also, if you have a problem with what I said you shouldn't simply assume something and go after me for it. I can and will explain myself.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:20
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Ya betcha....we got brain , Soul , heart and Bewbz...nothing can beat that .
edit: oh and in case ya didnt know..ya and me are the bewbz !! eirene just gained the Mantle of Brain along side of Grand Pa and Parkau lol
Danieleeeeeeee and Kasumiiii and Stella are the Soul ! everyone else is the Heart ..cose we keep coming back
No whining! The Mascotte Sera has spoken!
Just posting some Soul because... why not? 
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:22
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cant argue that lolYa betcha....we got brain , Soul , heart and Bewbz...nothing can beat that .
edit: oh and in case ya didnt know..ya and me are the bewbz !! eirene just gained the Mantle of Brain along side of Grand Pa and Parkau lol
Danieleeeeeeee and Kasumiiii and Stella are the Soul ! everyone else is the Heart ..cose we keep coming back
No whining! The Mascotte Sera has spoken!
#66931
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:28
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cant argue that lol
ya could..but..ya wont win
#66932
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:30
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Ya betcha....we got brain , Soul , heart and Bewbz...nothing can beat that .
You're more than a few body parts short of an attractive person.
Also, Parkau?
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:31
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You're more than a few body parts short of an attractive person.
Also, Parkau?
Hey..ya recognized yourself..so mission accomplished
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:33
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Hey..ya recognized yourself..so mission accomplished
It's a special talent of mine. But where did the P come from?
Edit: apparently this was my 2,000th post.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:34
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It's a special talent of mine. But where did the P come from?
Well..
err....I didnt recall ya name..and took a shot at random..was close LOL
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#66937
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:47
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Sera's thinking about stuff today.
Is that actually (nearly?) the same pose in two different contexts?
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You can tell it's next gen because of the lip shine.
#66938
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:49
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Sera's thinking about stuff today.
One thing I love about Sera face..is that it is sooo kissable..seriously..make wanna smooche her all over tha face ... 
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#66939
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:49
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Is that actually (nearly?) the same pose in two different contexts?
Contexts: out on Verchiel business, then thinking about pranks
I was looking through some of my screenshots this morning and those two really stood out in kind of the same way. I like her expression.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:50
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One thing I love about Sera face..is that it is sooo kissable..seriously..make wanna smooche her all over tha face ...
I have thought this very thing. Today, even.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:52
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eh too much workya could..but..ya wont win
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:54
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I have thought this very thing. Today, even.
with screenie like that....
Do ya Make kissy face at them ? cose I would
*Make kissy face* Soo Kissaaaable........Mouwah !
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:56
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If "learning from history" is to have any worth at all, then it should rely on that sort of nuance, not on half-baked sweeping proclamations based on a jaundiced view of the past.
Sure that's a given.
I'll use the example you gave to express my view point so you can better understand where I'm coming from.
As you said for a long period of time many countries tried to beat Russia on their home turf and ended up paying for it. As a government official in Germany I would have been hard pressed to attempt to do the same. Because I would have to look at the high cost payed by those who tried invading Russia before and honestly say that I was willing to put my people through the same.
As for the Middle East. If you look at history especially America history, you will find many examples of people telling the US government not to get involved in the Middle East. Everyone from members of the CIA to historians told our government this. All for the same reason. No matter how good your intentions are, you will end up paying for it. Despite all of these warnings through out the years the US gov decided to ignore these warning and continue to get involved in Middle Eastern political affairs and conflicts. Of course we all know what happened because of it. If more people in the US had studied both US and world history they would have known about the very real danger of what my government was doing and learned how a prolonged conflict in the Middle East played a huge part in the down fall of the USSR. More people would have demanded that the US gov stopped, long before 9/11.
Because so many people ignore the importance of history in general and do not learn from the mistakes of others the US government was allowed to play with fire, got burned and continues to play with fire even today. After all a group like ISIS would have never gained so much power if the destabilization of both Iraq and Libya didn't give them the ability to build their organization with out any real interference from the government in both countries.
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:57
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with screenie like that....
Do ya Make kissy face at them ? cose I would
*Make kissy face* Soo Kissaaaable........Mouwah !
I can't make kissy faces... I lack the proper parts... 
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#66945
Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:58
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haha screen kisses ftw lolwith screenie like that....
Do ya Make kissy face at them ? cose I would
*Make kissy face* Soo Kissaaaable........Mouwah !
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:58
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Do ya Make kissy face at them ? cose I would
...maybe...
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:59
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I can't make kissy faces... I lack the proper parts...
Lips?
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Posté 07 février 2015 - 04:59
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I can't make kissy faces... I lack the proper parts...
Sure ya can..
ever saw Nemo ? or just any fish ? Make same fish face ! there ya go...fishy Kissy face !
#66949
Posté 07 février 2015 - 05:00
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Lips?
I meant for Sera...
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#66950
Posté 07 février 2015 - 05:00
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we needed oil, they wouldnt take our credit anymore so we "agressivly negotiated" for it lolSure that's a given.
I'll use the example you gave to express my view point so you can better understand where I'm coming from.
As you said for a long period of time many countries tried to beat Russia on their home turf and ended up paying for it. As a government official in Germany I would have been hard pressed to attempt to do the same. Because I would have to look at the high cost payed by those who tried invading Russia before and honestly say that I was willing to put my people through the same.
As for the Middle East. If you look at history especially America history, you will find many examples of people telling the US government not to get involved in the Middle East. Everyone from members of the CIA to historians told our government this. All for the same reason. No matter how good your intentions are, you will end up paying for it. Despite all of these warnings through out the years the US gov decided to ignore these warning and continue to get involved in Middle Eastern political affairs and conflicts. Of course we all know what happened because of it. If more people in the US had studied both US and world history they would have known about the very real danger of what my government was doing and learned how a prolonged conflict in the Middle East played a huge part in the down fall of the USSR. More people would have demanded that the US gov stopped, long before 9/11.
Because so many people ignore the importance of history in general and do not learn from the mistakes of others the US government was allowed to play with fire, got burned and continues to play with fire even today. After all a group like ISIS would have never gained so much power if the destabilization of both Iraq and Libya didn't give them the ability to build their organization with out any real interference from the government in both countries.
