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[Xilizhra]

I think Zev and Fenris talked about elves plenty, but more indirectly. They do represent a side of elven culture. Or rather, they represent the aftermath of culural downfall. They represent how little elves have or know.

Rather a mixed message when the rivalry path sends so much time shitting on Merrill for attempting to retrieve any of it. Sometimes it seems that the elves have to exist as angst factories that get smacked down if they try for anything more.

[The Elder King]

Because Bioware seems to want to exclude outright those who may come from an elven culture (and Fenris does, or at least the mostly-elven Tevinter slave community) by making so many elves who are "exceptions" in that regard.

I disagree. There's just more variety in making elves who aren't culturally elven. Though I'd like to see a CE (meaning an elf that grew in the alienage) companion.
Plus, from DAA to DA2 we got three dalish companions in a row.

[Lucijenifer]

she seems fun and interesting, but human hating could really get on my inquisitors nerves (as it will get on mine) 

 

We don't know that at all. All we know about her allegiances is that she belongs to the Friends of Red Jenny, who we know nothing about. All the information we have is that they were interested in seeing Kirkwall cleaned of bandits and stealing that painted box from the First Enchanter of the Ferelden Circle.

 

Outside of that, we know... well, effectively nothing about her.

[Xilizhra]

I disagree. There's just more variety in making elves who aren't culturally elven. Though I'd like to see a CE (meaning an elf that grew in the alienage) companion.
Plus, from DAA to DA2 we got three dalish companions in a row.

Velanna and Ariane are DLC companions who barely count, and we've never had anyone from an Alienage. In any case, look at how many damned Andrastian humans we've had to put up with. Not a single Chasind or Avvar or Natural Order Rivaini anywhere.

[Lucijenifer]

Velanna and Ariane are DLC companions who barely count, and we've never had anyone from an Alienage. In any case, look at how many damned Andrastian humans we've had to put up with. Not a single Chasind or Avvar or Natural Order Rivaini anywhere.

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Sera is an Alienage elf. But rather than caring solely about elves, I'd think her status as a Friend shows she's got much broader concerns, rather than only focusing on her people.

[The Elder King]

Velanna and Ariane are DLC companions who barely count, and we've never had anyone from an Alienage. In any case, look at how many damned Andrastian humans we've had to put up with. Not a single Chasind or Avvar or Natural Order Rivaini anywhere.

They still had to write three dalish followers in a row. As I said, I agree on the alienage elf Follower.
I'd like to have Rivain and Chasind followers as well, but Andrastians do compose the vast majority of humans in Thedas (not to mention that I think most of the Rivaini don't leave the country, with the exception of pirates).

[quinwhisperer]

Did someone already post this fanart?

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[Fiery Phoenix]

I'm personally looking forward to hearing Sera's views and political perspective on the elves. It should be interesting.

[jlb524]

Which would be unfortunate, because having an elf who gives a damn about elves, who's not Merrill, would be a nice change.

 

If Sera cares about helping the poor and disenfranchised, doesn't this include elves?

 

How does one properly give a damn about elves?  Merrill's concern for elves was tied up with idealism and restoring ancient elven lore/technology but not so much helping any of the poor elves she had to face everyday in the Alienage.

[tmp7704]

But Bioware doesn't write cartoony psychopaths with no human side.

I'm sorry, but my sides You can find quite a few of these cartoony psychopaths in pretty much every BioWare game.

If you meant that they don't write companions like that, then it's more accurate (although even that is debatable, as certain KOTOR robot would probably like to remind us) but even so I'm not sure if bringing that up changes anything in terms of character's mental state -- the same argument of "human side" can be again brought up about Hannibal Lecter. If the character winds up deranged as result of Tragic Past™ it doesn't somehow render them not deranged. And if a dozen of brief conversations and 15 minute side mission with Dr.Shepard can then help them to magically heal, it doesn't mean there wasn't anything in the first place to heal from. After all if that's the case then all that healing wouldn't be needed.

It's not about "blaming people for being able to make it past first step" but rather about still remembering afterwards where that first step started from. Something the makers of the Dirty Dozen did, and what BW writers preferred to waive in their adaptation.

[LobselVith8]

If Sera cares about helping the poor and disenfranchised, doesn't this include elves?

 

I think the implication is that, hopefully, Sera can provide an elven perspective, and care about the elves - along with anyone else who has the misfortune to be among the poor and disenfranchised (since some humans do live in the Alienage, if one of their parents is human).

 

How does one properly give a damn about elves?  Merrill's concern for elves was tied up with idealism and restoring ancient elven lore/technology but not so much helping any of the poor elves she had to face everyday in the Alienage.

 

Merrill believes the Eluvian can benefit all the elves, and she actually gets to know the elves in the Alienage, as she references some of the people she knows in banter (including her suggestion for Sebastian to name his bow Philomela) or how she assures Nyssa that Hawke is there to help. Giving some insight into elven perspectives would be nice, since it tends to be predominantly human perspectives we receive.

[jlb524]

I think the implication is that, hopefully, Sera can provide an elven perspective, and care about the elves - along with anyone else who has the misfortune to be among the poor and disenfranchised (since some humans do live in the Alienage, if one of their parents is human).

 

She'll provide an elven perpective but I don't see her as a crusader for elven rights.

 

 

Merrill believes the Eluvian can benefit all the elves, and she actually gets to know the elves in the Alienage, as she references some of the people she knows in banter (including her suggestion for Sebastian to name his bow Philomela) or how she assures Nyssa that Hawke is there to help. Giving some insight into elven perspectives would be nice, since it tends to be predominantly human perspectives we receive.

 

That's not really the same as trying to help them.  Hawke can suggest that Merrill focus on helping the elves in the Alienage during the last dialog you can have with her.  I think the other suggestion is 'study more Dalish lore'.

 

I personally think that elves should look to the present and future and not try to reclaim past glory so I'm really interested in seeing what Briala is going to do.  I know why the Dalish want to reclaim their past and become closer to the 'true elf' ideal (their gods will apparently return and things will be great) but I don't think it's practical.

[The Elder King]

 
I'm seeing kind of a false dichotomy that the city elf companion has to care about the elven plight exclusively or not at all, and you'd prefer not at all.
 
Just because they care about elves doesn't mean they have to care about elves at the expense of everyone else, a la Anders caring only about Andrastian Circle mages and little else. Still, I'd like at least one of them to care about, comment, and offer some insight into the elven plight. Dare I say it? Feel slightly more of a knee-jerk "Hey, knock that off!" rection when they see elves suffering, but it doesn't mean they/Sera has to only care about the elves or only care about everyone equally with just lumped in because they happen to be poor and downtrodden too.

It's not what I intended. An elf can care about the elf plight and others people as well. I don't think Sera and Solas care aboti the elves more then the general concern of poor people though.
I don't see why you think I'd prefer they don't care at all .

[jlb524]

Merrill isn't particularly involved (not yet at least) with the Alienage because she's basically a cerebral nerd, loner, and the equivalent of a scientist or engineer with their own project. Not everyone is an activist or community oriented. I sure as hell am not.

 

It doesn't mean she doesn't care. She's just in her own world.

 

I'm not saying she doesn't care...she just didn't try to help them.

 

I'm just trying to get an idea what people mean when they want a companion who cares about and tries to help 'the elves' b/c I think that could mean many different things.  Then there are questions like, 'what does it mean to be an elf?'

 

Merrill and Briala had different opinions on how to help.  They almost seem to be on opposite ends of a spectrum.  Merrill representing the Dalish ideal of the 'true elf' that needs to find their past in order to move forward.  Briala wants the elves to gain more political power and freedoms in the future.  Briala is using eluvians to achieve this, funny enough, but it's a means to and end.  With Merrill, the evluvian was the end.

[Char]

DA FAN 12 minutes ago Dear Devs, who is your favorite companion and why?

 

• BioWareDAI Elite in Dragon Age II 9 minutes ago Sera makes me laugh the most but I really like Bull in combat! - Cameron Lee
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[LobselVith8]

That's not really the same as trying to help them.  Hawke can suggest that Merrill focus on helping the elves in the Alienage during the last dialog you can have with her.  I think the other suggestion is 'study more Dalish lore'.

 

I personally think that elves should look to the present and future and not try to reclaim past glory so I'm really interested in seeing what Briala is going to do.  I know why the Dalish want to reclaim their past and become closer to the 'true elf' ideal (their gods will apparently return and things will be great) but I don't think it's practical.

 

I honestly don't see why it has to be an "either or" choice. Being interested in re-discovering a past lost to centuries of slavery and subjugation doesn't prohibit them from building a future for themselves. The hostility of Andrastian culture makes that impractical, since a nomadic lifestyle protects them and allows them to follow their religion and adhere to their culture. Depending on where Sera originated from, I'm sure she might have some thoughts about the Dalish.

 

As Sera is likely Andrastian, I imagine it might be a strange at first in speaking with an elven Inquisitor - the cultural disconnect, the abundant use of elven terms, saying 'the Beyond' instead of 'the Fade', referring to 'spirits' instead of 'Spirits and Demons', the dichotomy between the faith of the Creators and the worship of the Maker, the potential disagreement over magic and mages - but I could also see a lot of common ground in being part of a society that is marginalized by humanity, where they have to be a bit wary of shemlen due to the basic lack of rights they have as elves, and where they may have lost friends or loved ones due to how unfair this societal imbalance can be. I'd certainly enjoy to see these issues tackled and not sidelined.

 

Given that I'm going to play as a male Inquisitor, I'd like to think that Sera can be a confidant and a friend to my protagonist, especially since my character is going to be an outsider in a sea of Andrastian shemlen who will never truly understand where he's coming from.

 

If presented with the choice to help Briala (and empower the elves), I'd love to see it through as an elven Inquisitor. I'm not certain if Sera has any ties to Briala's faction (since she seems to have departed from the FoRJ), but being part of a network of city elves and Dalish working towards the betterment of the Elvhen would be fantastic.

[jlb524]

I honestly don't see why it has to be an "either or" choice. Being interested in re-discovering a past lost to centuries of slavery and subjugation doesn't prohibit them from building a future for themselves. The hostility of Andrastian culture makes that impractical, since a nomadic lifestyle protects them and allows them to follow their religion and adhere to their culture. Depending on where Sera originated from, I'm sure she might have some thoughts about the Dalish.

 

 

I don't think it has to be an either or.  I guess I should say 'prioritize' moving forward.

 

 

If presented with the choice to help Briala (and empower the elves), I'd love to see it through as an elven Inquisitor. I'm not certain if Sera has any ties to Briala's faction (since she seems to have departed from the FoRJ), but being part of a network of city elves and Dalish working towards the betterment of the Elvhen would be fantastic.

 

I would like the choice.

 

I'm not sure Sera would approve of what Briala is doing.  Briala is attempting to draw out the Orlesian Civil War as long as possible for some 'greater good' which will, ofc, result in more deaths for the poor and disenfranchised.   This is the thing we know Sera doesn't like.