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#71126
Lady Luminous

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yeah... your in for a suprise later lol

 

Well you can't just tell me that! You jerk, Monkey. :P 



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Well you can't just tell me that! You jerk, Monkey. :P


Well in that case, just a heads up, romance in ME can turn out badly. Like worse than Solas badly.

Just sayin. :whistle:

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And if Morgan Freeman says so it must be true.
He is god after all.

i sometimes think he is a movie god sometimes cause all his films are awsome

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Well in that case, just a heads up, romance in ME can turn out badly. Like worse than Solas badly.

Just sayin. :whistle:

 

But. Nooo. :crying:  I do't want to be alone on the balcony again. *whimper*



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i sometimes think he is a movie god sometimes cause all his films are awsome

 

Not all. Lucy was awful. 


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But. Nooo. :crying: I do't want to be alone on the balcony again. *whimper*


Like I said, worse than Solas.

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Well you can't just tell me that! You jerk, Monkey. :P

i didnt say anything... just wait

* sings good things come if you wait from sweeney todd*

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Like I said, worse than Solas.

 

*whimper*



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Not all. Lucy was awful.


He's like Samuel L Jackson.

Even in a piece of crap, he can still manage to be awesome.
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Not all. Lucy was awful.

i love lucy lol
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Why don't you play and find out?

 

The definition I was working from was 'deep' as in 'complex', 'believable', 'relatable'. Sera is not a shallow character. She has likes, dislikes, qualities and flaws.

 

 

I have.  I've romanced her with elves so I am probably carrying a huge chip on my shoulder.  (I have trouble playing any other race than elf, usually a mage, although I did get most of they way through a female human friendship play through.)  I will if it makes a difference.

 

But thank you for your answer.  I'll think more on "deep" as meaning complex, believable, and especially relatable.  I think maybe relatable is my hang-up.  Actually the fact that I don't see her changing over the narrative, despite her trip into the fade, despite mythal is my hangup and makes her un-relatable to me.  Again the elf thing.

 

I'll try to think more on what Sera learns over the course of the inquisition that changes her for the better or the worse.  I'll also try to learn what her character teaches the inquisitor and whether that is worth learning or not. 


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i love lucy lol

I see what you did there. :D


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#71138
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Augh you guys, I adore Joker. I want him to be a romance, but I'm betting his Vrolik's syndrom counts him out. :(

hehe i wanna tella but i wont :devil:

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I see what you did there. :D

hehe

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i love lucy lol

 

The movie or the scientific discovery?



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The movie or the scientific discovery?

* whistle from joke flying over head* your awsome lol

But really i liked the whole film and premise and the 10% of your brain theory.

Never change dazzle haha

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* whistle from joke flying over head* your awsome lol

But really i liked the whole film and premise and the 10% of your brain theory.

Never change dazzle haha

 

Oh ha. I thought you were actually talking about the movie.

 

It was an interesting premise, but I hated her acting and I didn't like the merging of different filming styles. I thought it ended really weakly.



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Oh ha. I thought you were actually talking about the movie.
 
It was an interesting premise, but I hated her acting and I didn't like the merging of different filming styles. I thought it ended really weakly.

i was but couldnt resist lol

But yeah the film styles were a bit odd. Creative but odd. I think it ended appropriatly. It was trying alot but it was the best it could do

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i was but couldnt resist lol

But yeah the film styles were a bit odd. Creative but odd. I think it ended appropriatly. It was trying alot but it was the best it could do

 

I just think that is wasn't executed well at all. What good is a great premise if you can't figure out what story you want to tell? 

 

Limitless was way better in terms of comparison.



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I don't think there is a right or wrong here. If you identify with your Dalish character, or for whatever reason with that story you've found there, then certainly Sera didn't "learn" anything at the temple, in the sense that she didn't come around to your strongly held beliefs. Which can be confusing and frustrating and mystifying.

If on the other hand, you feel as I did about the whole thing, then there was nothing for Sera to "learn" at the temple. Her fears and suspicions about magic seemed pretty well justified. From that perspective, Sera suddenly believing, or feeling a stronger connection to that culture, could be perceived as horrifying as a lover suddenly adopting a belief system that you find wrong, dangerous, or even delusional.

What seems a frustrating lack of change or evolution to one person might be a reliable stability to another. As Sera says to me at the end, "You still you, yeah?"

For me, Sera did change, but those changes had nothing to do with mythal or dalish beliefs, and more to do with finding a home, discovering hope and acceptance and friendship. And yeah, she's pretty low on empathy while needing it desperately, and that contradiction is very interesting to me. Yet she opens up slightly. When she gave me a gift, it felt as if she'd never done that before, never given to one person, and she was kind of uncomfortable and embarrassed about it.

 

The gift she appreciated, the gift she loved, was not Vivienne's suggestion, but the fact that I announced to THE ENTIRE WORLD that we were together and I wanted to give her something. She didn't expect to give a gift, and she never expected to get one either. She was kind of surprised and goofy about one, and delighted about the other. But that was the perspective from my two Seramancers.

 

I don't think either perspective is right or wrong. It's who your character is, who you are, how you've moved through the story, and what moved you. What you expected, and what felt right or wrong about the outcome.

 

(this is all my stupidly rambly whatever before bed, probably doesn't make sense)


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I just think that is wasn't executed well at all. What good is a great premise if you can't figure out what story you want to tell? 
 
Limitless was way better in terms of comparison.

i agree with that.... not cause i have a crush on bradley cooper... it was a good movie

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Not all. Lucy was awful.

Yeah, it's hard to build suspense when the main character becomes God within 35 minutes of the movie. She was all knowing and all powerful, it's the same reason I don't like Superman.
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Yeah, it's hard to build suspense when the main character becomes God within 35 minutes of the movie. She was all knowing and all powerful, it's the same reason I don't like Superman.

nobody like man of steel lol

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Yeah, it's hard to build suspense when the main character becomes God within 35 minutes of the movie. She was all knowing and all powerful, it's the same reason I don't like Superman.


Everyone knows that Superman can't beat Batman with prep time.

(Not sure which is more annoying tbh)

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So... I made a dwarf. Her name is Solvi Cadash. I decided that she's going to ally with the Templars, so I had to invent a backstory. In my head, she was the daughter of a Cadash who had broken away from the carta and was trying to live an honourable life. Her family happened to get in the way of a fleeing apostate and he killed her parents. Templars were hot on his heels and, at least in her head, they saved her. As an orphan, she had little choice but to return to her extended family and become involved with the carta. She of course dislikes mages, and resents being involved in supplying them with lyrium, but that was the hand she was dealt. She's therefore quite angry with the world and short with people, even though she has a good heart.

She's going to have to romance, Sera, isn't she?

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Most Dwarven names in DA seem to be Norse-inspired, and I found Solvi in a list of Norse names. It apparently means "from the house of strength" which seems appropriate for a warrior. She has Sumalee's voice. Yes... I made another redhead. Sue me. :P
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