I wish they'd release a Thedas Encyclopedia or something like that. Lore nerds need stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuufff!
i want all of the lore stuff... if i had more money i'd buy the world of thedas books... I just want all of the lore, it's painful waiting for the next game to explain more...
dice always works loldice would work...
I think I may perhaps love elves too much <.< ...maybe
this game though... is so full of Elf lore...
next I really want to learn more about dwarfs.
WoT vol.1 and 2I wish they'd release a Thedas Encyclopedia or something like that. Lore nerds need stuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuufff!
i want all of the lore stuff... if i had more money i'd buy the world of thedas books... I just want all of the lore, it's painful waiting for the next game to explain more...
It's one of the things that I love in TES games: the in game books that you can actually pick up and read. Sure we have the codex in DA, but it doesn't feel the same. I always have a TES playthrough where I hunt down all the books. i love exploration games!
WoT vol.1 and 2
True enough. Forgot about that. *dunce cap*
It's one of the things that I love in TES games: the in game books that you can actually pick up and read. Sure we have the codex in DA, but it doesn't feel the same. I always have a TES playthrough where I hunt down all the books. i love exploration games!
I feel like not actually knowing the lore is a big theme in the games... like we don't know everything, and everyone is sorta blind to the truth, even the player because we get all of these... not completely reliable sources, and so much has been lost to time, war, or straight up cover-ups that we're left here predicting... which i love the theories, but i wanna know, like what were the old kingdoms like, what are the other continents, why did humans leave their homeland, wtf are the titans. Kiaran... why say new things that make me question everything. you devilish child you. its interesting though.. has it been done many times like this for other franchises?
i only ever played skyrim of TES, so i never really got too interested in it... that game didn't sell the series too well for me
Edit: I will add I haven't actually read the world of thedas book yet so.... I'm not exactly sure what was covered in it, I do know they made a few mistakes in the first one though.
i cant wait for vol 2 the bsn will rage so hardTrue enough. Forgot about that. *dunce cap*
vol one covers the basics and elaborates the various topics we came across(elves, chantry magic ablahblah) vol2 is stated to give info on the north and lands beyond thedas(whatever that means) and new topic with possible retcons galoreI feel like not actually knowing the lore is a big theme in the games... like we don't know everything, and everyone is sorta blind to the truth, even the player because we get all of these... not completely reliable sources, and so much has been lost to time, war, or straight up cover-ups that we're left here predicting... which i love the theories, but i wanna know, like what were the old kingdoms like, what are the other continents, why did humans leave their homeland, wtf are the titans. Kiaran... why say new things that make me question everything. you devilish child you. its interesting though.. has it been done many times like this for other franchises?
i only ever played skyrim of TES, so i never really got too interested in it... that game didn't sell the series too well for me
Edit: I will add I haven't actually read the world of thedas book yet so.... I'm not exactly sure what was covered in it, I do know they made a few mistakes in the first one though.
Incomplete, Inaccurate lore, twisted by time and politics? An incomplete knowledge of the whole world? That's what makes DA feel realistic to me...
yeah i love it but i also want to know more
For RP reasons I always have my Warden turn down Leliana's first request to join because she's all moody and grumpy at that point, only to accept her the second time, and it's probably the most painful thing I ever do in the game. She seems so heartbroken when you do. Bleh. :C
I could never turn down Lels...
*fights following that up with a dirty joke*
Fenris!
*runs away*
Goku!
So I forgive ya ! *kick ya in the butt * NOT! 
I adore Lair of the Shadow Broker. Possibly my favourite BioWare DLC... Laughter, tears and Liara becoming the most powerful person in the galaxy. What's not to love?
and the fight! Dont forget the Majestic fight ! Punching and what not.....Shep was soo Drooole worthy ! 
(notes found on a drunk dwarf warden)
Day 12. Wandering through a mage tower. Humans build above ground, but they still make it all look like it's underground with stone and no windows. Make up your minds, humans.
Still Day 12. Dwarves get power hungry and we stab/shoot/curse someone. Mages go all I AM AN ABOMINATION RAWR and drink your blood or whatever and leave piles of red goo all over the place. What is it with you people?
Still Day 12 WTF. Okay now I'm in some weird shimmery world with dark spidery castles in the sky and I'm all alone. I hate this job.
(notes found on a drunk dwarf warden)
Day 12. Wandering through a mage tower. Humans build above ground, but they still make it all look like it's underground with stone and no windows. Make up your minds, humans.
Still Day 12. Dwarves get power hungry and we stab/shoot/curse someone. Mages go all I AM AN ABOMINATION RAWR and drink your blood or whatever and leave piles of red goo all over the place. What is it with you people?
Still Day 12 WTF. Okay now I'm in some weird shimmery world with dark spidery castles in the sky and I'm all alone. I hate this job.
Sounds like Oghren.
Hey threadfolk!
Sometimes, when the big, interesting discussions occur and I'm not here or I'm reading at work (or when I'm out) and don't have the chance to contribute, I feel the thread looks a little like this:
"[DA]: Luke, let’s talk about Sera. She seems to value friendship above all else. What is it about the Inquisitor that makes her want something more?
[LK]: By various turns of nature and nurture, Sera is out of phase with the factions that could have been her comfort. In her experience, they don't want what she is, they want her to be what she "should" be, because that's more important than what she feels or how she taught herself to find strength. So she's ready for that. She has arrows.
But then along comes your Inquisitor, and she's different. And Sera joins because your character is a window into things she has questions about. But maybe you also make the Inquisitor fun and stick it to people who deserve it, and maybe there's still fighting but it's about new things and she likes new. But what knocks Sera for a loop is when it turns out the Inquisitor needs her; when (perhaps despite yourself) your Inquisitor essentially joins her, and Sera realizes how much she needs that. And that's not nothing.
[DA]: Given Sera’s mischievous nature, is there any risk of the Inquisitor’s breeches winding up on a flagpole at Skyhold?
[LK]: If Sera is really a match for your Inquisitor, the plan would have been for you to distract the advisors so Sera could hang Cullen's breeches, but Sera hangs your Inquisitor's instead because she likes thinking about the Inquisitor better. And then there is chasing and yelling that is actually laughter.
[DA]: How would you describe Sera's romance in a nutshell?
[LK]: Everything is complicated. Sera is fighting to keep it simple, and maybe (during breaks from solving every problem ever) the Inquisitor needs that too. Together, in their own just-as-complicated way.
Sera doesn't fit the tone of every Inquisitor. She isn't meant to. But the ones she does? "Optional" my foot. She's vital."
I'd forgotten about that article. Reading it again now.... is it possible for Sera to get even better? I think it is.
I don't think there is a right or wrong here. If you identify with your Dalish character, or for whatever reason with that story you've found there, then certainly Sera didn't "learn" anything at the temple, in the sense that she didn't come around to your strongly held beliefs. Which can be confusing and frustrating and mystifying.
If on the other hand, you feel as I did about the whole thing, then there was nothing for Sera to "learn" at the temple. Her fears and suspicions about magic seemed pretty well justified. From that perspective, Sera suddenly believing, or feeling a stronger connection to that culture, could be perceived as horrifying as a lover suddenly adopting a belief system that you find wrong, dangerous, or even delusional.
What seems a frustrating lack of change or evolution to one person might be a reliable stability to another. As Sera says to me at the end, "You still you, yeah?"
For me, Sera did change, but those changes had nothing to do with mythal or dalish beliefs, and more to do with finding a home, discovering hope and acceptance and friendship. And yeah, she's pretty low on empathy while needing it desperately, and that contradiction is very interesting to me. Yet she opens up slightly. When she gave me a gift, it felt as if she'd never done that before, never given to one person, and she was kind of uncomfortable and embarrassed about it.
The gift she appreciated, the gift she loved, was not Vivienne's suggestion, but the fact that I announced to THE ENTIRE WORLD that we were together and I wanted to give her something. She didn't expect to give a gift, and she never expected to get one either. She was kind of surprised and goofy about one, and delighted about the other. But that was the perspective from my two Seramancers.
I don't think either perspective is right or wrong. It's who your character is, who you are, how you've moved through the story, and what moved you. What you expected, and what felt right or wrong about the outcome.
(this is all my stupidly rambly whatever before bed, probably doesn't make sense)
Personally I felt like Sera's arc was about her getting solid feet on the ground. The world being a mess messed her up, sure, but she was pretty messed up and confused about the world and where she fit in it way before the Breach. The Inquisiton offers her a place where she can finally find solid ground and maybe start making sense of things.
People act like big life changes should change you, but that's not really true. Horrible or big things can happen to you, and if you don't have a solid foundation, often you end up digging even deeper into what little certainty you have left. Sera can't change radically because she's scared, and she doesn't have a way to deal with those fears. But she doesn't run away either, she sticks it through and that in itself is indicative of the possibilitiies she has IMO.
So I do think Sera can grow and mature, now that's she's got a place that is comfortable and safe for her, but I really feel like if she'd started undergoing massive character growth in the story and timespan we had, it wouldn't ring as genuine to me.
Quoted for awesome.
For me, for my Inquisitrix, in my little brain, Sera is the breath of fresh air that keeps her feet on the ground and reminds her it's not all about Chantries and Divines and Heralds and nobles and empires and Big Nasty Dorkspawn (yes, I meant Dorkspawn!). Sera reminds her that all the other people who make up the world need saving too, and not always from the obvious enemies. Sera makes her smile despite all that bad stuff going down because you need to remember to do that when things are their worst so you know things can be better. And I see my Inquisitor being there for Sera when things get scary, and maybe helping her see the world a little differently. Sera's never going to be fully accepting of the things that scare her and that she doesn't understand, but she might get a slightly new perspective on them that doesn't mean an arrow in the face is the first thing she thinks of. Maybe it'll be the second thing instead 
Plus, hi-larious. What's not to like?
(I make no guarantees anything I say makes sense either, it's easier that way)
Maybe I'll persevere with the qunari playthrough, then. For now.
I think you definitely should. I believe it will be worth the "effort".
Nah, the game has been out for a good few years now.
Consider Dazzle.
I adore Lair of the Shadow Broker. Possibly my favourite BioWare DLC... Laughter, tears and Liara becoming the most powerful person in the galaxy. What's not to love?
But you find out that even her ruthlessness is driven by her friendship, loyalty and compassion. You understand why she was so stand-offish before. I found it very satisfying.
Such an awesome time was had. Just so good. Plus, a car chase!
Hey, Alexia? Are you around? You might have missed but I made a dwarf like you wanted. Her name is Solvi, she has a bad history with mages and she'll be romancing Sera...
Such an awesome time was had. Just so good. Plus, a car chase!
The car chase is comedy gold... I love it!
Oh, and finally:
I was trying to think of some witty comment to compare this to sneaking a peek into other, less friendly threads.... or BC putting in an appearance here.... or something else... but really, I think it speaks for itself. Come up with your own explanation ya lazy sods!
Consider Dazzle.
I forgot the Princess! Spoiler tag everything! EVERYTHING! We cannot face her wrath...
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