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Sera may not enjoy the wilderness because of the giants spiders, rabid bears and wolves, and dragons that constantly attack you in Thedas. Frolicking among the hydrangeas and lavender in a garden might be a better bet.

Early theaters had lower areas for commoners where there was gambling, fist fights, drinking, and general rowdiness during the plays. One recalls the story of famous British actor touring America during a period of intense Anglo-American rivalry who had half a sheep corpse tossed at him during a performance of Hamlet.

I assume Sera would find the spectacle amusing, and it would provide a better dating venue than just going to the local pub.

Now I kinda want to go to a gambling den with her. Rat races or some such.



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Now I kinda want to go to a gambling den with her. Rat races or some such.

Is that a Penny Dreadful reference?

 

Because if that turns out the same way, it's not Sera the Inquisitor will end up in bed with.



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Is that a Penny Dreadful reference?

 

Because if that turns out the same way, it's not Sera the Inquisitor will end up in bed with.

Actually, I was thinking of 'All Dogs Go To Heaven'. Or if you like 'The Great Train Robbery', a ratting den could be an interesting choice of date... You place bets on how many rats a dog can kill in a minute... *grizzly*



#7154
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Between her being decidedly "not culturally elven," caring about the concerns of "the common/poor people in general" but not elves, her being very anti-nature, having a much fuller face than the average angular elves and now much taller than elves, I wonder if her shtick is going to be that she's elf in genetics only. She has pointed ears, and that's it. Everything else about her, from her height to her features to her background to her values and goals are going to be deliberately anti-elf in every way.

 

Gee BioWare, haven't seen that before. A city elven companion that not only feels no kinship to city elf culture, but doesn't feel attached to or care about other elves in general? Zevran of the Antivan Crows and Fenris the Tevinter Slave, both of whom takes shots at the Alienage and Dalish Camp, feel no kinship to other elves, and claim everyone has problems / other people have it worse, so why care about these people in particular. Yeah, never seen any of that in a city elven companion. Sera is going to be new, different, and unique in that respect.

 

She and my Dalish Inquisitor are going to have a lot of common ground, I just know it.

 

Being a city elf doesn't make one "deliberately anti-elf." Caring about common people and caring about elves aren't mutually exclusive.

 

Zevran pleads for the lives of the clan in Origins if the Warden goes elven-cidal. Given his general apathy about death, this seems significant to me. His Dalish heritage is clearly important to him even though he doesn't consider himself one. In DA2, a Dalish clan is happy to provide him refuge. It's not fair to say that Zevran doesn't care about other elves.

 

As for Sera, she "revels in the athleticism of being an elf, of being different." So, it's not as if being an elf doesn't matter to her at all. She also likes to make friends; friends are better than power. She'd probably be open to finding allies among the Dalish, provided they don't dismiss her out of hand for not being elven enough for their tastes.


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#7155
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Being a city elf doesn't make one "deliberately anti-elf." Caring about common people and caring about elves aren't mutually exclusive.

No, but it's not a good sign. Especially if she dislikes magic; it's entirely possible that she'll have issues with the Dalish in general. And of course hates our environment.



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Sera sounded legitimately terrified of the fade, that's probably why she doesn't like Cole. 



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Sera sounded legitimately terrified of the fade, that's probably why she doesn't like Cole. 

 

Well, it's been established that she doesn't like nature because it's full of weird.  The Fade's probably an order of magnitude worse from her point of view. 


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Well, it's been established that she doesn't like nature because it's full of weird.  The Fade's probably an order of magnitude worse from her point of view. 

Damn it, do we not have any F/F LIs who aren't hidebound homebodies? Sera's apparently a complete wimp, Josephine is a pampered noble and non-adventurer, and if Vivienne is even an option, she's like a sharpened and unpleasant version of Josephine; she'll have grit enough, to be sure, but I can't imagine she'll want to stay away from her civilized web of power for long.



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Well, it's been established that she doesn't like nature because it's full of weird.  The Fade's probably an order of magnitude worse from her point of view. 

 

Oh I know, I just meant she actually sounded really scared of even looking at the fade. 



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No, but it's not a good sign. Especially if she dislikes magic; it's entirely possible that she'll have issues with the Dalish in general. And of course hates our environment.

It's possible, sure. Personally, I doubt it. She doesn't like the outdoors because weird stuff that probably tries to eat her lives there. Going from that to 'she must not like the Dalish' is a jump I'm not willing to make just yet.

 

*snip*

 

Sera sounded legitimately terrified of the fade, that's probably why she doesn't like Cole. 

 

Can anyone make out what she says at around 12:50?

 

I love the part around 2:40 though. "Don't look up, don't look, don't look....Sh!t. I looked." :lol:



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Oh I know, I just meant she actually sounded really scared of even looking at the fade. 

 

Well, if a giant hole in reality opened up above me, I certainly wouldn't want to look up.  I'm getting a strong impression that the writers are going to play up the scariness of the Fade in DAI.



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It's possible, sure. Personally, I doubt it. She doesn't like the outdoors because weird stuff that probably tries to eat her lives there. Going from that to 'she must not like the Dalish' is a jump I'm not willing to make just yet.

 

 

Can anyone make out what she says at around 12:50?

 

I love the part around 2:40 though. "Don't look up, don't look, don't look....Sh!t. I looked." :lol:

 

I think she said "frig... that's how they won, how it won" but it wasn't too clear. 



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If Sera hates nature, how (and why) did she learn archery then?



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If Sera hates nature, how (and why) did she learn archery then?

 

Archery's just as useful in a city. 


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If Sera hates nature, how (and why) did she learn archery then?

You don't need a love of nature to know or learn archery .-.


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#7166
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You don't need a love of nature to know or learn archery .-.

 

Just a love of not getting smacked in the face in melee.



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Damn it, do we not have any F/F LIs who aren't hidebound homebodies? Sera's apparently a complete wimp, Josephine is a pampered noble and non-adventurer, and if Vivienne is even an option, she's like a sharpened and unpleasant version of Josephine; she'll have grit enough, to be sure, but I can't imagine she'll want to stay away from her civilized web of power for long.

 

So you want Solas to be female and romanceable?



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I think she said "frig... that's how they won, how it won" but it wasn't too clear. 

Ah thanks. I heard something like "Maker, figs"...which, obviously, make no sense. xD

 

If Sera hates nature, how (and why) did she learn archery then?

I imagine it's a skill she picked up from her work with the Friends of Red Jenny.


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#7169
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Archery's just as useful in a city. 

 

Not really. First of all, she couldn't practise there. And the main purpose of learning archery was always to hunt animals (and defend oneself, but that came to play outside of the cities).



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 Sera's apparently a complete wimp, 

 

She didn't run away or pee her pants at least.

 

I would say facing stuff you find terrifying is non-wimpy.

 

Not really. First of all, she couldn't practise there. And the main purpose of learning archery was always to hunt animals (and defend oneself, but that came to play outside of the cities).

 

I'm sure there were plenty giant rats to hunt and kill.



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She didn't run away or pee her pants at least.

 

I would say facing stuff you find terrifying is non-wimpy.

 

Being afraid is the only time you can be brave. /Ned Stark


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#7172
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So you want Solas to be female and romanceable?

Ideally.

 

 

She didn't run away or pee her pants at least.

 

I would say facing stuff you find terrifying is non-wimpy.

It was an exaggeration, I confess. I'm just... frustrated by her dislikes when I'm playing as an intellectually curious Dalish mage who wants to acquire as much magical and Fade knowledge as possible, in addition to disliking cities.



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I'm sure there were plenty giant rats to hunt and kill.

 

In comparable real life times, bow was weapon of peasants. No one in cities used it, because it was completely impractical there and dangerous to other people, as towns were overcrowded and streets narrow. I could buy her sneaking out of the town to hunt some animals for a dinner, but if she hates nature so much, it no longer makes any sense.



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Sera may not enjoy the wilderness because of the giants spiders, rabid bears and wolves, and dragons that constantly attack you in Thedas. Frolicking among the hydrangeas and lavender in a garden might be a better bet.

It's funny because I've always tended to associate elves with the wilderness. To hear that Sera isn't a fan is pretty surprising. On the other hand, it makes her all the more interesting. She must lead a 'different' life, so to speak.



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It's funny because I've always tended to associate elves with the wilderness. To hear that Sera isn't a fan is pretty surprising. On the other hand, it makes her all the more interesting. She must lead a 'different' life, so to speak.

Considering Zevran and Fenris, it seems like we've gotten more elves with no wilderness connections than those who have them.