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[Dgyre]

I think I'm going to stick with Soldier for continuity sake. I could headcanon that she got different skills between games, but... eh.

 

you can develop an engineer from your party to be powerful still

[veeia]

Just do all your companion quests and get them all. That's the heart of the game, assembling your team. And then DO NOT look up charts or ask people how to do the end mission, tbh, experience it at least once without a "perfect PT"..... I mean unless metagaming is really something you love to do and that's what gets your goat, I won't judge, but I have seen way too many people run up to someone plaing ME2 for the first time and try to explain to them how to get the exact most happiest best ending and I'ml ike JUST LET THEM EXPERIENCE IT. 

[raging_monkey]

Just do all your companion quests and get them all. That's the heart of the game, assembling your team. And then DO NOT look up charts or ask people how to do the end mission, tbh, experience it at least once without a "perfect PT"..... I mean unless metagaming is really something you love to do and that's what gets your goat, I won't judge, but I have seen way too many people run up to someone plaing ME2 for the first time and try to explain to them how to get the exact most happiest best ending and I'ml ike JUST LET THEM EXPERIENCE IT.

i was thrilled with how my first pt went dpwn

[SardaukarElite]

really? I love them, they give me a chance to actually craft a different story through different play throughs, choices that really impact the plot

 

Oh I like moral choices, just not when they feel constructed like that. Which is me being difficult I know.

 

Alrighty guys, I'm gonna go hop into ME2 now. Any pieces of advice other than "do the bloody side quests, Dazzle!"?

 

Pick the M-98 Widow. Because sometimes, you absolutely, positively, have to take a krogan's head clean off, at long range.

[veeia]

SE, I agree with you, so I'm curious: what do you think are the most well done moral choices in ME or DA? 

 

edit: with the understanding that I don't think they do them well at all, lmao, just...what are the better ones

[Lady Luminous]

Just do all your companion quests and get them all. That's the heart of the game, assembling your team. And then DO NOT look up charts or ask people how to do the end mission, tbh, experience it at least once without a "perfect PT"..... I mean unless metagaming is really something you love to do and that's what gets your goat, I won't judge, but I have seen way too many people run up to someone plaing ME2 for the first time and try to explain to them how to get the exact most happiest best ending and I'ml ike JUST LET THEM EXPERIENCE IT. 

 

I always play blind my first playthrough.

 

I mean, this time I'm totally facepalming from all the silly **** that Esri did. But other than

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save Wrex from moronic Ashley

I didn't re-do any of my choices.  

[Lady Luminous]

SE, I agree with you, so I'm curious: what do you think are the most well done moral choices in ME or DA? 

 

edit: with the understanding that I don't think they do them well at all, lmao, just...what are the better ones

 

I have to say I really liked choosing in ME

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who to separate from the team, because I hadn't looked up any guides, not knowing what the point was made the later impact bigger for me.

I may well be crazy though.  

[Lady Luminous]

Oh no! I forgot I actually had to download ME2. Dangnation. I may not get to play tonight.  

[veeia]

I wouldn't say the Virmire situation is a particularly good moral choice, but it's not a bad Big Choice, especially when contrasted to similar situations, like the one in DA:I. It has weight and urgency and real, upsetting consequences that you can feel the effect of even two games later. (which again, is kind of clumsily done but it's done, and i can appreciate it) 

[Lady Luminous]

I wouldn't say the Virmire situation is a particularly good moral choice, but it's not a bad Big Choice, especially when contrasted to similar situations, like the one in DA:I. It has weight and urgency and real, upsetting consequences that you can feel the effect of even two games later. (which again, is kind of clumsily done but it's done, and i can appreciate it) 

 

Ah, moral choice.Right. I was thinking Big Choices overall. I did like the urgency and weight it gave to the scene. It's one scene I'll always remember about the game.

[SardaukarElite]

SE, I agree with you, so I'm curious: what do you think are the most well done moral choices in ME or DA? 

 

Harrowmount or Bhelan has a lot going for it. I think that's the one the feels closest to an actual real world choice. There are these guys standing for these views and they have their own peronal problems thrown in with that - plus your Warden's own motivation being to get troops can put a nice spin on it. Though I find getting started with it is odd, because it's difficult to learn what either stands for if you didn't play a dwarf.

 

My actual favourite though isn't a choice as such - it doesn't have consequences, and I assume it isn't tracked - but the Arishok's question in DA2. A pair of elves killed a guard for raping their sister and go to the Qunari for protection, the Arishok asks Hawke what they would do in his place. It's interesting to me because there's layers there. The elves' action came from frustration at a failing justice system, but letting them off won't help that system get better, while the Arishok is in a position of conflict between duty to protect his people and keeping the peace.

[raging_monkey]

Idk those elves were justified imo but it was a good convo real grey

[raging_monkey]

Le'ts face it, elves in most cities are lower than dirt and the vast majority of people in power turn a blind eye to crimes against elves. Even with Aveline in charge of the guard, the rapist would have walked because the nobles of Krikwall  would have leaned on her tell she simply had to give in and let the rapist go. At least they got some forum of justice.

agreed maker help them if that went down with my fam/close friends... i wouldve got dark

[Aimi]

Even with Aveline in charge of the guard, the rapist would have walked. Because the nobles of Krikwall  would have leaned on her tell she simply had to give in and let the rapist go.

Nobody ever brings up noble pressure in relationship to that case. Not even Aveline suggests that she was forced to ignore the complaints. When the arishok and the viddathari bring it up, she simply tries stalling, admitting that there might be truth to the accusation but insisting that the vigilante murder was wrong regardless. The clear implication is that if she ever heard about the accusation before the elves committed murder, she thought it was frivolous and shelved it.

The whole case is only ever framed as an institutional failure of the Kirkwall guard (and, according to the arishok, intrinsic problems with human Andrastian society), and as a failure of leadership on Aveline's part in not addressing the issue.

[SardaukarElite]

The whole case is only ever framed as an institutional failure of the Kirkwall guard (and, according to the arishok, intrinsic problems with human Andrastian society), and as a failure of leadership on Aveline's part in not addressing the issue.

 

That was my interpretation. Elves can't get justice in Kirkwall because their word is worth less than a human's. They aren't just going to the Qun for protection either, it's supposed to be a system where that isn't true - though whether that's the case or not remains to be seen.

[raging_monkey]

That was my interpretation. Elves can't get justice in Kirkwall because their word is worth less than a human's. They aren't just going to the Qun for protection either, it's supposed to be a system where that isn't true - though whether that's the case or not remains to be seen.

gatt seems happy enough

[Aimi]

I never said that there was any pressure in the first place. I also never said that Aveline was being force to ignore complaints.

That is, in fact, exactly what you said.

Even with Aveline in charge of the guard, the rapist would have walked. Because the nobles of Krikwall  would have leaned on her tell she simply had to give in and let the rapist go.

You stated that (Guard-Captain) Aveline wasn't the one in charge of the guard and that 'the nobles of Krikwall [sic]" were the ones who were, and that if she had tried to deal with the rapist, those nobles would have prevented her from doing so.

There's nothing else that really merits discussion. I'm not going to get dragged into a pointless side argument about the postbellum American South, because the postbellum American South isn't Kirkwall, and because there is simply nothing whatsoever in the game that even suggests that there's a point in making that historical analogy. It's a nice sermon, but this isn't the conversation for it.

All we have is those two conversations in "Demands of the Qun". First Aveline paints the situation as a murder, then the arishok points out that it was vigilantism, and then the viddathari say that they only went vigilante after Aveline's guard did nothing to investigate the incident, and then Aveline doesn't even deny that that's true, but only tries to shift the discussion back to the murder and to Kirkwall sovereignty. Aveline's conduct in this affair is only ever painted as negligent or bigoted. Nobody drags corruption into it.

[Serza]

you can develop an engineer from your party to be powerful still

 

If you're rolling a Soldier Shepard, Tali+Garrus = Team Dextro, alternatively Team "Mess with the best, die like the rest!"

 

Oh I like moral choices, just not when they feel constructed like that. Which is me being difficult I know.

 

 

Pick the M-98 Widow. Because sometimes, you absolutely, positively, have to take a krogan's head clean off, at long range.

 

Oh, also, Dazzle. The M-98 Widow is only available when you advance the story aproximately half-way.

Let's just say, when you get the mission the basic idea of which you probably won't like very much, that's the one you get the Widow in.

It's also a class-limited weapon. You can either pick an M-76 Revenant (Light Machine Gun, in the slot of an Assault Rifle), an M-300 Claymore (Heavy Shotgun) or the Widow (Sniper rifle). If your class can't use the weapon type in question, you'll be able to "learn" how to use it, instead.

[Lady Luminous]

If you're rolling a Soldier Shepard, Tali+Garrus = Team Dextro, alternatively Team "Mess with the best, die like the rest!"

 

 

Oh, also, Dazzle. The M-98 Widow is only available when you advance the story aproximately half-way.

Let's just say, when you get the mission the basic idea of which you probably won't like very much, that's the one you get the Widow in.

It's also a class-limited weapon. You can either pick an M-76 Revenant (Light Machine Gun, in the slot of an Assault Rifle), an M-300 Claymore (Heavy Shotgun) or the Widow (Sniper rifle). If your class can't use the weapon type in question, you'll be able to "learn" how to use it, instead.

 

What is with y'all thinking I won't like certain missions just because I'm Dazzle? 

 

I can play Renegade and Evil with the best of them!

[Aimi]

I can play Renegade and Evil with the best of them!

Actually, that mission doesn't have much to do with morality. He's probably thinking of a different reason.

I will say that the ME2 Widow/Mattock Soldier is the deadliest killing machine in any BioWare game. Once you've got it going, nothing will stand in your way.

[Lady Luminous]

Actually, that mission doesn't have much to do with morality. He's probably thinking of a different reason.

I will say that the ME2 Widow/Mattock Soldier is the deadliest killing machine in any BioWare game. Once you've got it going, nothing will stand in your way.

 

Oh, well then I feel slightly badly for snapping... 

 

That sounds exciting! I do love my assault rifles.