I'm working on how to approach this mindset, and possibly reconcile the dialogue. It's certainly true that I'd rather look ahead... although what I look ahead to might be something different from what Sera wants. Then again, it might not be, in its totality.
Do you think Sera would dislike being called "ma vhenan," or would she be fine with it?
Y'all are making me want to try New Vegas again. I have it, I love Fallout and Obsidian and I know it's supposed to be a gem, but I've never made it very far into the game. I don't know what it is.
Green mama! if ya play on PC..I recommand ya shove at least one Mod in NV before ya start..cose the game is short in comparison to Fallout 3 .
Its tis mod: http://www.nexusmods...as/mods/41540/?
and tis one for fallout 3: http://www.nexusmods...t3/mods/19941/?
You guys, I knew the Illusive man was bad news! But I got my Widow Sniper which is badass.
Oh and I can see why Lexi loves Samara, she's pretty badass too.
Told ya you won't like the idea of the mission where you get the Widow if you have all your eggs in one basket...
40k: Harlequins. Not that I'd ever play again, but they're the faction that I like the most.
The Death Jester is a badass and looks like a badass!
Eldar are pretty cool anyway. You can basically field their God in your army. Just awesome!
She's young, she's been hurt, she doesn't know how to act. Honestly everything from Sera's perspective makes sense to me. She's too afraid to open up so she shuts down. It's not good for her, but she's not thinking in terms of emotional health, she's still thinking about survival. She can and I hope does grow, as she's placed in a position where she can, having a more supportive environment in the Inquisition, but at that moment, she wasn't ready. There could be no dialogue option that would make her ready in that moment, IMO. You can't force someone to understand that they are safe when they are that afraid of it. That kind of dealing with someone takes time and empathy and I fully believe, would be something that a Dalish believing Quizzie who fell in love with Sera should be prepared to do. It's not like this was out of the blue. Like it's all well and good for the scene to be written like Sera has her fingers stuck in her ears, but to presume the PC is like that irritates me. It pushes irreconcilability when compassion is possible. And I don't believe that lying to her is the compassionate answer, not when it's presented as the end of, not a pause in, a dialogue. Not all issues can be fixed so I'm not saying it should end all happy and functional, but to not feel like you can try...idk, that's what pulls me away from it.
I'm working on how to approach this mindset, and possibly reconcile the dialogue. It's certainly true that I'd rather look ahead... although what I look ahead to might be something different from what Sera wants. Then again, it might not be, in its totality.
Do you think Sera would dislike being called "ma vhenan," or would she be fine with it?
I think that there are two separate issues here. I agree with veeia's assessment of the situation from the perspective of a Dalish elf who follows the religion but whose beliefs are personal, and who is otherwise focused on the Inquisition above all else. I think in that case some form of dialogue where the inquisitor explained that their beliefs were their own and needn't affect the ongoing relationship would possibly work, and that did seem like a glaring omission from the scene, even if it would detract from the drama. Even my Lavellan who had given up on worshipping the Dalish gods would've liked the opportunity to explain that while she thought that the Elven gods were real powerful magical creatures, she didn't think them worth worshipping but neither did she think them demons. Sadly all that possible subtlety was lost in favour of a single dramatic confrontation.
In the case of the type of Dalish believer that Xil is RPing, I think that's a step too far for Sera. I think that with time she could probably accept a lover who prayed privately to the Elven gods, but one who gave her an Elvish term of affection, and whose political actions in the world were all done primarily to further the Dalish cause? I think that would be just too much at odds with her world-view. I don't think she would be able to stomach a lover who spent her days proselytising for the Dalish.
I think that there are two separate issues here. I agree with veeia's assessment of the situation from the perspective of a Dalish elf who follows the religion but whose beliefs are personal, and who is otherwise focused on the Inquisition above all else. I think in that case some form of dialogue where the inquisitor explained that their beliefs were their own and needn't affect the ongoing relationship would possibly work, and that did seem like a glaring omission from the scene, even if it would detract from the drama. Even my Lavellan who had given up on worshipping the Dalish gods would've liked the opportunity to explain that while she thought that the Elven gods were real powerful magical creatures, she didn't think them worth worshipping but neither did she think them demons. Sadly all that possible subtlety was lost in favour of a single dramatic confrontation.
In the case of the type of Dalish believer that Xil is RPing, I think that's a step too far for Sera. I think that with time she could probably accept a lover who prayed privately to the Elven gods, but one who gave her an Elvish term of affection, and whose political actions in the world were all done primarily to further the Dalish cause? I think that would be just too much at odds with her world-view. I don't think she would be able to stomach a lover who spent her days proselytising for the Dalish.
To clarify, I don't see her as "proselytizing for the Dalish" quite so much by the end of the game. I think she might have been willing to consider that the Creators aren't truly gods by the end, but more than anything else, she wants to find out the truth about them; she figures that the Dalish quest for knowledge has to be fulfilled honestly and with every angle covered. So she won't spend her time telling other elves about the rightness of the Dalish way of life when she doesn't know how much of it is right herself.
None of this, however, changes the fact that she would probably drop elven phrases into conversation, including that one. Which I'm hoping Sera wouldn't get too annoyed at.
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Crimmy!
In other news I've been replaying New Vegas and just finished Dead Money. Got out with all the gold. In your face moral lessons!
To clarify, I don't see her as "proselytizing for the Dalish" quite so much by the end of the game. I think she might have been willing to consider that the Creators aren't truly gods by the end, but more than anything else, she wants to find out the truth about them; she figures that the Dalish quest for knowledge has to be fulfilled honestly and with every angle covered. So she won't spend her time telling other elves about the rightness of the Dalish way of life when she doesn't know how much of it is right herself.
None of this, however, changes the fact that she would probably drop elven phrases into conversation, including that one. Which I'm hoping Sera wouldn't get too annoyed at.
I think you're grasping at straws there.
One of these days I'm going to have to play this, I've got it and it still has the wrapper on it.
Tear the wrapper off and you're one step closer. 
I think you're grasping at straws there.
Indeed? Can you elaborate?
I don't know... if Sera rolls her eyes at "ma vhenan", Lavellan can always roll her eyes at "teetness/tadwinks/buckles". Mutual petname frustration.
That's true. Sera really has no room to complain on this, does she?
To clarify, I don't see her as "proselytizing for the Dalish" quite so much by the end of the game. I think she might have been willing to consider that the Creators aren't truly gods by the end, but more than anything else, she wants to find out the truth about them; she figures that the Dalish quest for knowledge has to be fulfilled honestly and with every angle covered. So she won't spend her time telling other elves about the rightness of the Dalish way of life when she doesn't know how much of it is right herself.
None of this, however, changes the fact that she would probably drop elven phrases into conversation, including that one. Which I'm hoping Sera wouldn't get too annoyed at.
Hmmm... It's difficult. To me that sounds reasonable but maybe Sera would concentrate more on the Dalish side. Although she does mention demon worship in her outburst, I get the impression that to her the problem with the Dalish is based less on their religion and more how they set themselves apart from the rest of the inhabitants of Thedas. I don't know how you are thinking of your Lavellan but if as well as getting to the truth of the past, she was overtly seeking to have the Dalish integrate more into Theodosian society, Sera might be able to go along with that.
This is all fun to think about, but despite the fact that I would've liked a bit more depth, I suspect that in considering this level of nuanced position we are asking for more subtlety than even a triple-A video game currently has the opportunity to give. There would be a lot of different dialogue options necessary to get to this level of intricacy of motivation. Sadly as it stands (and probably in the future, although they might surprise me with their choice of DLC) I think you'll have to tell her that you think it's all rubbish and just headcanon some follow-up conversations where you lay out your real position after she's calmed down.
Hmmm... It's difficult. To me that sounds reasonable but maybe Sera would concentrate more of the Dalish side. Although she does mention demon worship in her outburst, I get the impression that to her the problem with the Dalish is based less on their religion and more how they set themselves apart from the rest of the inhabitants of Thedas. I don't know how you are thinking of your Lavellan but if as well as getting to the truth of the past, she was overtly seeking to have the Dalish integrate more into Theodosian society, Sera might be able to go along with that.
This is all fun to think about, but despite the fact that I would've liked a bit more depth, I suspect that in considering this level of nuanced position we are asking for more subtlety than even a triple-A video game currently has the opportunity to give. There would be a lot of different dialogue options necessary to get to this level of intricacy of motivation. Sadly as it stands (and probably in the future, although they might surprise me with their choice of DLC) I think you'll have to tell her that you think it's all rubbish and just headcanon some follow-up conversations where you lay out your real position after she's calmed down.
If this is too nuanced for Bioware, they shouldn't have made Sera a romance option. Which I kind of think anyway.
I think that I'd want the Dalish to integrate more, yes, but not to sacrifice their identity in doing so. I want them to remain apart from the general pattern of Andrastianism in human culture, and I'd also want to elevate the city elves further.
i still think "lying" is the best way to go on this topic
Well as I said above, perhaps deciding that it's better to lie to her in the moment in order to calm her down, and headcanoning that you talk to her later after she's cooled off and explain your true position would be a way to approach it, as the game currently stands.
Indeed? Can you elaborate?
I just think you are looking for answers that aren't there. You want her to be one way and you are putting together these reasons or want other people to tell you these reasons for someone who, at the end of the day, isn't conforming to your ideology. I get that you were upset by it and want to find a reason why it played out the way it does but... There has to be some point in time where you just have to let it go.
I just think you are looking for answers that aren't there. You want her to be one way and you are putting together these reasons or want other people to tell you these reasons for someone who, at the end of the day, isn't conforming to your ideology. I get that you were upset by it and want to find a reason why it played out the way it does but... There has to be some point in time where you just have to let it go.
She still has plenty of growing up left to do. And unless Josephine's romance suddenly gets a lot better, I'm not going to let it go.
She still has plenty of growing up left to do. And unless Josephine's romance suddenly gets a lot better, I'm not going to let it go.
Yeah, she does have a lot of growing up to do. I worry that you are expecting her to grow one way, and when we finally see it, you are still going to be disappointed.
If this is too nuanced for Bioware, they shouldn't have made Sera a romance option. Which I kind of think anyway.
I think that I'd want the Dalish to integrate more, yes, but not to sacrifice their identity in doing so. I want them to remain apart from the general pattern of Andrastianism in human culture, and I'd also want to elevate the city elves further.
No I don't think it was a case of BioWare not handling nuance. I think the problems lie more on the player's end. To the point: Since this game has come out players have nitpicked all the characters so that we have love em' or hate em' threads all over the place. Some chars have been more problematic than others i.e. Bull's sex practices and treatment of lovers, Viv's snootiness and lack of empathy (or seeming), Blackwall's perfidy and how to respond to it, Sera's dislike of the Dalish and bullheadedness.
People have agonized over all of the above and to a certain extent it's fair and if they weren't great characters we would not do this, right? That's my point. BioWare got it right. They did a fantastic job creating alive and vivid characters who amaze us, are adorable, and also at times a little despicable which is a lot how people are in RL.
With Sera you'll have to headcanon some things unfortunately. My elf that romanced her told her Mythal was bullshit just to soothe her cause she is clearly unnerved by the experience. I then headcanoned that my elf admitted or confided the lie to Dorian.
Anyway good morning! I played a lot of Mass Effect yesterday. At the point where the dramatic encounter with Benezia occurs. I need advice now: Do I push on to find the MU relay or do I go back and finish off some of the minor quests I've blown off? Do I have the time to do that?
If this is too nuanced for Bioware, they shouldn't have made Sera a romance option. Which I kind of think anyway.
After considering what you've said on the matter before, I find that I can't agree on that. I'm with Eirene when she says that we shouldn't expect that all love interests will be able to mesh with all possible inquisitors. That's just unrealistic. It's theoretically possible to have an atheistic pro-mage-freedom mage who wants to entirely abolish the chantry romance Cassandra, but that would seem very silly to me. I do agree that the post-Mythal flashpoint could've been handled better, but I don't think that Sera should've been dropped as a romance.
Yeah, she does have a lot of growing up to do. I worry that you are expecting her to grow one way, and when we finally see it, you are still going to be disappointed.
All she needs is tolerance.
No I don't think it was a case of BioWare not handling nuance. I think the problems lie more on the player's end. To the point: Since this game has come out players have nitpicked all the characters so that we have love em' or hate em' threads all over the place. Some chars have been more problematic than others i.e. Bull's sex practices and treatment of lovers, Viv's snootiness and lack of empathy (or seeming), Blackwall's perfidy and how to respond to it, Sera's dislike of the Dalish and bullheadedness.
People have agonized over all of the above and to a certain extent it's fair and if they weren't great characters we would not do this, right? That's my point. BioWare got it right. They did a fantastic job creating alive and vivid characters who amaze us, are adorable, and also at times a little despicable which is a lot how people are in RL.
With Sera you'll have to headcanon some things unfortunately. My elf that romanced her told her Mythal was bullshit just to soothe her cause she is clearly unnerved by the experience. I then headcanoned that my elf admitted or confided the lie to Dorian.
I don't think that Bioware did do it right, actually. I think the reason we've had to agonize over this is because they halfassed the character interactions in this game, and it's fairly disgusting. I hate relying on headcanon and I hate Bioware for forcing it to happen here.
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