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[Lady Luminous]

There's always at least one I dislike, I guess.

 

In DAI, it's IB.

 

[AlexiaRevan]

I always wondered why the **** Esri was flirting with Jacob. It disgusted me that I don't even have control over who she flirts with.

Trust me...the 1st time I heard that Talk....I jumped to the wall and screeeeeeeeched ! Never Again!!! I dont talk to him anymore..until he come with his loylty to me....no way...it was such an 'cannot Unsee' Moment *shudder* 

[Lady Luminous]

Oh, yeah, Dazzle! Did you get drunk with Dr: Chakwas?

 

Erm, no? I talked to her a few times but that was it.

[AlexiaRevan]

I've yet to see the Jacob romance. It's apparently meme worthy.

Oh go see it on YT ! tha priiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiize is worth watching   

[AlexiaRevan]

Erm, no? I talked to her a few times but that was it.

Then go back.....and talk to her more . 

[Lady Luminous]

Sorry.. I won't rub it in. And won't harass IB fans. The fans themselves seem cool.

 

Nah, it's cool. I just sort of want the world to love Bull as much as I do.

[LightningPoodle]

Erm, no? I talked to her a few times but that was it.

 

Did you get her her bottle of booze?

[veeia]

Nah, it's cool. I just sort of want the world to love Bull as much as I do.

 

Just become an insufferable hipster in order to deal with people not loving your favorite, like I have.

 

"Oh Sera? Of course you don't like her. You wouldn't get her."

 

"I like to play this obscure little race called dwarves. They're not for everyone, just people with more refined taste"

 

etc

[LightningPoodle]

Just become an insufferable hipster in order to deal with people not loving your favorite, like I have.

 

"Oh Sera? Of course you don't like her. You wouldn't get her."

 

"I like to play this obscure little race called dwarves. They're not for everyone, just people with more refined taste"

 

etc

 

Basically make snide remarks... I'm all for that. 

[SardaukarElite]

(...)  little race called dwarves.

 

Good one.

[veeia]

dwarves in skinny jeans with long tops that have pictures of shartan screepnrinted on them? aww yeah, hipster dwarves

[YourFunnyUncle]

I don't know if you missed the context for this conversation, but it was about the synthesis ending in ME3 . Which is not like what you're saying at all, so I have no argument with your post because I agree with it? I may find another points of those narratives more interesting than you....for example, in narratives with "augmented vs natural" humans living together, I don't really care so much about "what is human/what is not", so much as, how does the distinction between those two define and drive the characters? How do they see human/not human? What informs that? What does that mean for them? How do they navigate that?

I read a book once about people who lived really long lives and they were incredibly f*cked up in the head and did all kinds of awful, but sympathetic things and I loooved it. It was grounded in human psychology and then added to and blown up by speculative fiction tropes and questions about science and mortality. It wasn't divorced of all human context, an esoteric "what if~~~deep thoughts~~~" slapped on to some jargon..... Which is what I see the synthesis ending, and a large portion of science fiction that I dislike as.

See I don't think that synthesis is divorced of human context at all.

Spoiler

Maybe we have different ideas of what synthesis actually ends up creating. Remember that StreetMagic was talking about the potential for future stories in the ME universe post-synthesis, not about the ethics of the choice in terms of imposing a fundamental change on all life.

I don't see the life forms that emerge from synthesis as hugely different from what we have now. We know that the fundamental building blocks of the life are changed, but does that truly lead to a society that is beyond our comprehension? I still see individuals. I still see different species. I still see the potential for conflict. The difference for me is that all the different species and the artificial intelligences now share the same building blocks. In effect you've created a galaxy-wide ecosystem. I don't see that as shutting down the potential for stories that we can relate to. If anything one could argue that it brings us back closer to the situation we have now, in which all life that we know shares the same fundamental building blocks. It's just that in this case the building blocks have changed. I think that a post-synthesis universe contains the potential for interesting stories about individuals and societies to which we can still relate.

[YourFunnyUncle]

It seemed a lot more radical than that. Not a mere combo of silicon and carbon.

Spoiler

I mean, even Kasumi's Greybox boyfriend became alive in the ending slides.

Maybe I misunderstood it. It's been a while. I think the problem is that we really have no detail, beyond those ending vignettes. What exactly happens is quite open to interpretation.

Spoiler

There's a lot of flowery rhetoric about collaboration and shared knowledge from EDI in the extended cut, but I read it as just the hopeful stage after averting a cataclysmic war. It doesn't mean that no future conflict can arise. There are still individuals there, they still clearly have emotions, as demonstrated when they add Shepard's name to the wall on the Normandy. EDI is talking about what we may do and become, but little is actually demonstrated to have been achieved beyond averting the reaper conflict, learning about old technologies/civilisations and beginning to rebuild.

 

It's a bright start, but I don't think it's as fundamentally different a society as all that, and there's plenty of potential for interesting things to happen, I think...

Please can we keep specifics about the endings in spoiler tags? We've two thread regulars playing through the games for the first time at the moment.

[LightningPoodle]

Spoiler

I don't know where it says that but you can save both and still rewrite, many things have to happen to get that ending to the arc.

 

We showed her, now didn't we.   

[SardaukarElite]

I think the only real problem with continuing ME3's ending is that you have to reconcile three supposedly radically divergent world states. I figure you can probably Deus Ex it and write it far enough into the future that the world states have collapsed back into a relatively similar continuity, but that calls into question the point of choice and dynamic narrative*.

 

At the end of the day writers are writers and whatever setting they go with, conflict will be written into it and humanity will hopefully creep in as well. You could make a film about Tetris and that would happen. There's a risk that to do that the point of the ending will be lost, or blurred but the ending was meaningless anyway.

 

*Not that I'm saying it's wrong to do that, just that you need to think about it.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I think the only real problem with continuing ME3's ending is that you have to reconcile three supposedly radically divergent world states. I figure you can probably Deus Ex it and write it far enough into the future that the world states have collapsed back into a relatively similar continuity, but that calls into question the point of choice and dynamic narrative*.

 

At the end of the day writers are writers and whatever setting they go with, conflict will be written into it and humanity will hopefully creep in as well. You could make a film about Tetris and that would happen. There's a risk that to do that the point of the ending will be lost, or blurred but the ending was meaningless anyway.

 

*Not that I'm saying it's wrong to do that, just that you need to think about it.

That's certainly the issue with any new game. You could write narratives set in any one of the universes that can be created at the end of ME3, but I am struggling to see how they could come up with a single game that adequately takes into consideration the different possible states of the galaxy. As ever I'll reserve judgement until I see what they come up with, but I am certainly dubious...

[SardaukarElite]

That's certainly the issue with any new game.

 

Well, I think the thing is to not offer choices you can't satisfactorily follow up on. If ME3's final question had say, been about what Shepard does after the war, what purpose a broken Reaper-killer finds in a Reaperless world, then it wouldn't have affected sequels at all but it could have been a choice very relevant to the closing trilogy. Or just blue baby filled fan service, admittedly.

 

 

I am struggling to see how they could come up with a single game that adequately takes into consideration the different possible states of the galaxy.

 

I suspect the answer is that it won't be adequate but that won't matter. There'll be an excuse, and like thermal clips, people will accept it and move on or not depending on how attractive moving on is. Or there's a brilliant master plan and I have no faith.

 

Alternatively: nanomachines, son.