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#80451
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Well, I think the thing is to not offer choices you can't satisfactorily follow up on. If ME3's final question had say, been about what Shepard does after the war, what purpose a broken Reaper-killer finds in a Reaperless world, then it wouldn't have affected sequels at all but it could have been a choice very relevant to the closing trilogy. Or just blue baby filled fan service, admittedly.

 

 

 

I suspect the answer is that it won't be adequate but that won't matter. There'll be an excuse, and like thermal clips, people will accept it and move on or not depending on how attractive moving on is. Or there's a brilliant master plan and I have no faith.

 

Alternatively: nanomachines, son.

 

nanomachines can be the solution to anything,  its like divine power bottled..



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Well, I think the thing is to not offer choices you can't satisfactorily follow up on. If ME3's final question had say, been about what Shepard does after the war, what purpose a broken Reaper-killer finds in a Reaperless world, then it wouldn't have affected sequels at all but it could have been a choice very relevant to the closing trilogy. Or just blue baby filled fan service, admittedly.

 

 

 

I don't think they meant to follow up to begin with. But a lot has changed. Who knows now.

 

In the "Final Hours" doc for ME3, Casey Hudson said there'd be no games after that timeline.



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I think the only real problem with continuing ME3's ending is that you have to reconcile three supposedly radically divergent world states. I figure you can probably Deus Ex it and write it far enough into the future that the world states have collapsed back into a relatively similar continuity, but that calls into question the point of choice and dynamic narrative*.

 

At the end of the day writers are writers and whatever setting they go with, conflict will be written into it and humanity will hopefully creep in as well. You could make a film about Tetris and that would happen. There's a risk that to do that the point of the ending will be lost, or blurred but the ending was meaningless anyway.

 

*Not that I'm saying it's wrong to do that, just that you need to think about it.

 

I reckon ME4 will start with something similar to say, whatever those comic style DLC's were for Mass Effect 2 and 3. Just explaining what happened afterwards. I doubt the game will focus to heavily on what happened at the end of ME3, because of those choices. I also doubt we will get the opportunity to import from ME3.



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Nah, it's cool. I just sort of want the world to love Bull as much as I do.

 

Don't worry, enough ppl love IB more than they love Sera. :(



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Don't worry, enough ppl love IB more than they love Sera. :(

 

That's like saying more people like Nickelback than Bikini Kill

 

 

 

... Sorry.. IB fans are better than Nickelback fans. I don't know why I'm making this comparison.



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Don't worry, enough ppl love IB more than they love Sera. :(

 

Don't be sad. We are part of an elite club. Only the most respectable people across the BSN are allowed access to this club.  ^_^


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#80457
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laughs out loud at that, not sure why its so funny but


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#80458
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laughs out loud at that, not sure why its so funny but

 

but...?



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I suspect the answer is that it won't be adequate but that won't matter. There'll be an excuse, and like thermal clips, people will accept it and move on or not depending on how attractive moving on is. Or there's a brilliant master plan and I have no faith.

 

I suspect that the first will be the case. If they come up with a game that enough people like, whatever retconning they employ to get there will be forgiven.

 
Alternatively: nanomachines, son.

Mass Effect 4: Secret of the grey goo?



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nanomachines can be the solution to anything,  its like divine power bottled..

 

It's like Space Magic but Cyberpunk. Punk Magic.

 

 

I don't think they meant to follow up to begin with. But a lot has changed. Who knows now.

 

Yeah I remember something at the time about all future ME content being prequels or concurrents, but I think that just demonstrates a lack of foresight. New content in franchises always looks for gaps and there aren't many in ME's timeline - assuming you want to play with humans.

 

 

Don't worry, enough ppl love IB more than they love Sera. :(

 

Not sure that's very comforting.

 

 

That's like saying more people like Nickelback than Bikini Kill

 

 

 

... Sorry.. IB fans are better than Nickelback fans. I don't know why I'm making this comparison.

 

Harsh.


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but...?

 

 

but it just is...thats all the but means



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Harsh.

 

Yeah, felt bad after writing it.

 

Lets just say Sera was always destined to be a little underground. And that isn't bad.



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but it just is...thats all the but means

 

Hmmm... I expected more.  :lol:

 

Also, what was that for?



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It's like Space Magic but Cyberpunk. Punk Magic.

 

 

-snip-

 

this comment reminds me of the techno mages from B5


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Hmmm... I expected more.  :lol:

 

Also, what was that for?

 

 

the LB and nickleback fans



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the LB and nickleback fans

 

Were you picturing him as the lead singer like I was... :D



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Were you picturing him as the lead singer like I was... :D

 

lol no, but just the random comparison in general made me laugh



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this comment reminds me of the techno mages from B5

They can retcon the ME universe using implanted Shadow Reaper tech!


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Yeah, felt bad after writing it.

 

Lets just say Sera was always destined to be a little underground. And that isn't bad.

 

I meant comparing IB to Nickleback. Didn't know about Bikini Kill, did some reading, seems like it might be a good analogy really.



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lol no, but just the random comparison in general made me laugh

 

I haven't gotten enough sleep, I think..



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Uncle..where do you think the Rachni come from.....



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Honestly.. just make ME all a dream. Screw it.. If it's going to be a cheesy retcon, use the classics.


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Honestly.. just make ME all a dream. Screw it.. If it's going to be a cheesy retcon, use the classics.

 

only if its Pamela Barnes having it....



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only if its Pamela Barnes having it....

 

I had this song in mind. Some average Joe thought he was a badass Renegade Shep.

 

 

"I dreamt I was hard."

 

edit: Actually, no. That vid is too much. :D



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The whole ME trilogy was Conrad Verner's dream?


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