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[Allan Schumacher]

Nordic mythology disagree.

 

"However, some generalisations are possible. In medieval Germanic-speaking cultures, elves seem generally to have been thought of as a group of beings with magical powers and supernatural beauty, ambivalent towards everyday people and capable of either helping or hindering them."

 

And since im from the Nordic region. I say you are wrong with the gnome like elf. That is not the elf from our mythology which Tolkien from what I remember, got inspired by. But I presume you at Bioware went for santas little helper or garden gnomes when you designed Sera.

"The "Christmas elves" of contemporary popular culture are of relatively recent tradition, popularized during the late nineteenth-century in the United States"

I still say her face is more  dwarven than elven and she looks clumsy in many screenshots. Not the graceful and agile elf.

 

I'm not sure what Nordic mythology has to do with our elves.  Note that I didn't link to a Christmas elf.  My point is that the application of the term "elf" leads to a lot of different looks.

 

I'm not even sure where your quote comes from, nor why you think it applies to Dragon Age's universe to be frank.

 

You may say that he face is drawn more "dwarven" but I'll completely disagree.  If you think one's face is in any way telling of whether or not someone is graceful or agile, then I think that that is a personal bias that you'll need to reconcile.

 

 

 

 

And are you telling me the Unreal engine is not "good" enough for Bioware "Artist integrity"? We saw how that worked out in Mass Effect 3's ending when you guys moved Karpyshyn to ToR. The best writer Bioware had of late.

If I see anything else like this again, you will be removed from the forums.  Dragon Age has never used the Unreal Engine, so your tangential reference is irrelevant aside from seeking an opportunity to denigrate the company I work for and the coworkers and friends of mine that work within it.

 

At this point, you're just going to have to deal with the fact that Sera is an elf that looks different from the ones of "Nordic mythology."

[Ajna]

Seriously, do you see Thedosian Elves having the lives of the mystical Fae beings of Nordic myth?  Because I don't...

[Ajna]

This will go nowhere, you seem like a very angry and bitter person and I wonder, do you have anything better to do with your time than to slate the DA team for their elf design? 

[Vapaa]

I so like to see people out of their comfort zone the moment a creator try to shake things up a bit, seriously Sera has just a slightly round face a a bad haircut OH MY GOD SHE LOOKS LIKE A DWARF ALL IS LOST ROME IS BURNING.

 

(Same story with Cassandra by the way, shows how narrow the acceptable standards of beauty for women are)

[Ynqve]

Of course not, not when you go for the christmas elf look mixed with some dwarven and classic elf. 

 

But they don't need to look like a John Bauer illustration either? And if you want to have them be like the elves in Nordic or Scandinavian mythology or folklore, first we would have to decide which type of elves we would use. Otherwise we may end up with tiny elves that you summon by rubbing  butter on stones? And do not angry the elves, because then you'll get sick. 

[LonelyTimeTraveller]

Bioware's "Freaking Out the Neighbors" panel had a section about criticism that applies pretty well to this situation...

[EmperorSahlertz]

But they don't need to look like a Jon Bauer illustration either? And if you want to have them be like the elves in Nordic or Scandinavian mythology or folklore, first we would have to decide which type of elves we would use. Otherwise we may end up with tiny elves that you summon by rubbing  butter on stones? And do not angry the elves, because then you'll get sick. 

Or they'll seduce you, drag you into the mist and devour you...

[Char]

I find this strangely funny. Because, you know clearly elves should have backwards-pointing feet, tails and/or hollow backs, just like medieval depictions.
Or maybe they should all look like the Erl König?

No one culture has a monopoly on fantasy creatures, and even if they did, you can't enforce arbitrary rules on creatures that don't exist.

[Ajna]

I find this strangely funny. Because, you know clearly elves should have backwards-pointing feet, tails and/or hollow backs, just like medieval depictions.
Or maybe they should all look like the Erl König?

No one culture has a monopoly on fantasy creatures, and even if they did, you can't enforce arbitrary rules on creatures that don't exist.

How do you know Elves don't exist Char!  Don't you crush my dreams! *shakes fist*

[Char]

How do you know Elves don't exist Char!  Don't you crush my dreams! *shakes fist*

Eep!
I'm sorry! They-they do exist! They're just really busy helping Santa get ready for the Christmas season, otherwise they'd be here to defend themselves in person

[Ajna]

Eep!
I'm sorry! They-they do exist! They're just really busy helping Santa get ready for the Christmas season, otherwise they'd be here to defend themselves in person

[Allan Schumacher]

Anyhoo, Sera's an elf.  I hope that this is settled now? <.<

[ParagonPunk]

Anyhoo, Sera's an elf.  I hope that this is settled now? <.<

 

I'm honestly still confused as to why that was in question. 

[Yinello]

I doubt anyone really thought Sera isn't an Elf. They're just being annoyong because she's not a Lotr clone (thank god).

[Rel Fexive]

Anyhoo, Sera's an elf.  I hope that this is settled now? <.<

 

Yrch.  I hope so.  All this banging my head against the wall was giving me a headache.

 

Can I just say here how much I'm looking forward to meeting Sera in the game?  She sounds like she should be great fun, and she's pretty, well, pretty.  Plus, she's a Derbyshire  elf, which is extra amusing to me

[Basement Cat]

Yrch.  I hope so.  All this banging my head against the wall was giving me a headache.

 

Can I just say here how much I'm looking forward to meeting Sera in the game?  She sounds like she should be great fun, and she's pretty, well, pretty.  Plus, she's a Derbyshire  elf, which is extra amusing to me

Do you think she used to stir up trouble at Pemberley? *snerk*

[Ynqve]

Do you think she used to stir up trouble at Pemberley? *snerk*

 

And now I have an image of Colin Firth's Mr Darcy giving Sera a stern look because she cheats at card games, stuck in my brain. 

[Basement Cat]

And now I have an image of Colin Firth's Mr Darcy giving Sera a stern look because she cheats at card games, stuck in my brain. 

There are worse things than Colin Firth to have stuck in your brain.

 

And Sera totally cheats at cards. Unless she plays dice games?

[Ynqve]

There are worse things than Colin Firth to have stuck in your brain.

 

And Sera totally cheats at cards. Unless she plays dice games?

 

I wasn't complaining

 

And she would cheat at dice games as well xD

[Basement Cat]

I wasn't complaining

 

And she would cheat at dice games as well xD

Of course she would. I wonder if we can play games with our companions. Skyhold is supposed to have a tavern...

[Star fury]

Short hair is irrelevant.  I think it's an absurd critique as though elves for some reason are not able to cut their hair or something.

 

No, Sera doesn't look like Liv Tyler.  Must all elves look like Liv Tyler?

 

 

Here's a depiction of an elf:

Spoiler

 

 

I don't think she looks anything like Sigrun.  Or any other dwarf.  Even with her rounded face, it's still a slender face and a slender body type.

 

 

Sorry, when I see something like this, I don't see a dwarf at all:

 

Perhaps, finally, we have an engine where we're able to better allow greater degrees of freedom in what we want our characters to look like?  Perhaps elves have a wide variety of faces, just like humans do?  Because why not?

 

I think you missed that I wrote that Sera has square face, square jaw with broad nose and instead focused only on short hair. Yeah, short hair is irrelevant, square face and big broad nose are not.

 

Also I don't see how your first pic is relevant to a discussion. Bioware elves were close to Tolkien archetype in previous 2 games - immortal or have very long lives, magic wielders, living in forests and generally close to nature, skilled archers. And their looks were close too. Now suddenly they're going to be like dwarves? I don't think so. 

 

And yeah, I also hoped to see better looking elves than in two previous games with a new engine. I'm a bit dissappointed.

[Ynqve]

Of course she would. I wonder if we can play games with our companions. Skyhold is supposed to have a tavern...

 

Oh that would be lovely!  

[Rel Fexive]

I think you missed that I wrote that Sera has square face, square jaw with broad nose and instead focused only on short hair. Yeah, short hair is irrelevant, square face and big broad nose are not.

 

Also I don't see how your first pic is relevant to a discussion. Bioware elves were close to Tolkien archetype in previous 2 games - immortal or have very long lives, magic wielders, living in forests and generally close to nature, skilled archers. And their looks were close too. Now suddenly they're going to be like dwarves? I don't think so. 

 

And yeah, I also hoped to see better looking elves than in two previous games with a new engine. I'm a bit dissappointed.

 

We are trying to move on now, but thank you for your contribution.

[Rel Fexive]

Oh that would be lovely!

 

The banter opportunities are endless.......

[Dr. Doctor]

There are worse things than Colin Firth to have stuck in your brain.
 
And Sera totally cheats at cards. Unless she plays dice games?

I like the dice idea: