I really need to do the Sera romance....
I feel like I miss a great deal of who she is by not doing it.
But.... CASS.
My love of Cass makes it hard for me to do another romance, which sucks something awful because Nasir romances both Cass and Josie in my headcanon.
Damn Bioware for putting limits on me!!!
very imo.What, either lie to her like a child or fall for her trap and break up with her? How are either one of those good?
more along the lines of "don't pick this option or it scraps it all" or something
do it as a elf imo its 2nd best after qunariI really need to do the Sera romance....
I really need to do the Sera romance....
I feel like I miss a great deal of who she is by not doing it.
Trust me, she opens more with a romance. 
*whispers* Go qunari and you'll see how awkward she gets. 
very imo.
Lying: keeps your partner's mental heath in check until they calm down or just out of love. Its minor white lie at worse at best a half-truth. Everybody lies or keeps secrets
Her "trap" as you call it: people break up all the time some times it just doesnt workout and the party ends and you knew her "faults" going in the both of you
Yeah, I'd say the lie is the best thing. She just wants you to say the thing that will give her some peace of mind, but she's not actually telling you to believe it's all rubbish. Just to say to her it's rubbish. At least, based on what I've seen of the incident and how I envision Sera's arc to happen.
Mostly, Sera's change can't be forced upon her. It's something she has to explore herself. And that's the crux of the matter I think. Will you let her find things her own way, or try and force her to change? When she's ready to find things her own way, certainly one can help her out, but helping is a different matter.
exactly my thought on the issueYeah, I'd say the lie is the best thing. She just wants you to say the thing that will give her some peace of mind, but she's not actually telling you to believe it's all rubbish. Just to say to her it's rubbish.
Mostly, Sera's change can't be forced upon her. It's something she has to explore herself. And that's the crux of the matter I think. Will you let her find things her own way, or try and force her to change? When she's ready to find things her own way, certainly one can help her out, but helping is a different matter.
Yeah, I'd say the lie is the best thing. She just wants you to say the thing that will give her some peace of mind, but she's not actually telling you to believe it's all rubbish. Just to say to her it's rubbish.
Mostly, Sera's change can't be forced upon her. It's something she has to explore herself. And that's the crux of the matter I think. Will you let her find things her own way, or try and force her to change? When she's ready to find things her own way, certainly one can help her out, but helping is a different matter.
It can't last. That's the fundamental problem. It's a temporary fix and it does nothing to address the underlying issue. And were this a story in which we could actually see future development with her, I'd be fine with it, but that's not ****** happening! The game ends here, and the odds of ever expanding on her story are extremely remote! We end with an unfinished half-baked unfixable pile of crap!
I think that Sera's romance with a Dalish elf is broken, and I think that Sera's implementation is one of the worst that any Bioware companion has ever received. Perhaps second worst after ME3's Jacob.
I think that Sera's romance with a Dalish elf is broken, and I think that Sera's implementation is one of the worst that any Bioware companion has ever received. Perhaps second worst after ME3's Jacob.
maybe you should look to another romance then, or go abstinent
maybe you should look to another romance then, or go abstinent
I'm going with Josephine for that reason, at least with my elf.
Oh I agree that leaving it at that is in fact rather bad from a writing perspective for a character whose purpose in the Inquisition is as one who seeks growth and to find her place in the world.
I feel it would be fair to argue this is one more notch in the belt that is trying to bring the Dalish down more and more (I enjoyed some things about the Dalish in Inquisition, but others just felt unnecessary). The lack of growth for Sera is in fact a very bad part of the romance arc, and it's something that does need to be addressed.
But trying to force Sera to change isn't going to work. Sera needs to come to you and work through these things. She needs to start it. So in the end, the lack of follow-up is bad from a writing perspective -- that much I agree on. But I don't think that such a follow-up can ever begin by the Dalish Inq. going "Hey Sera, we need to talk about your beliefs" because that will cause Sera to shut down.
I suppose one could use headcanon to do such things, but headcanon being used to fix problematic writing is something that I abhor because it makes the writers seem lazy and while it makes the players better writers in the end, it's still.... something I dislike.
Especially if it's just not gonna matter anyway.
hahahaha * cackles til chokes on spite* really why are you so p*ssed its just a game not some soapbox. I enjoyed sera and jacob and think they are good characters. If you dislike her so much just dont recruit her problem solvedIt can't last. That's the fundamental problem. It's a temporary fix and it does nothing to address the underlying issue. And were this a story in which we could actually see future development with her, I'd be fine with it, but that's not ****** happening! The game ends here, and the odds of ever expanding on her story are extremely remote! We end with an unfinished half-baked unfixable pile of crap!
I think that Sera's romance with a Dalish elf is broken, and I think that Sera's implementation is one of the worst that any Bioware companion has ever received. Perhaps second worst after ME3's Jacob.
Oh I agree that leaving it at that is in fact rather bad from a writing perspective for a character whose purpose in the Inquisition is as one who seeks growth and to find her place in the world.
I feel it would be fair to argue this is one more notch in the belt that is trying to bring the Dalish down more and more (I enjoyed some things about the Dalish in Inquisition, but others just felt unnecessary). The lack of growth for Sera is in fact a very bad part of the romance arc, and it's something that does need to be addressed.
But trying to force Sera to change isn't going to work. Sera needs to come to you and work through these things. She needs to start it. So in the end, the lack of follow-up is bad from a writing perspective -- that much I agree on. But I don't think that such a follow-up can ever begin by the Dalish Inq. going "Hey Sera, we need to talk about your beliefs" because that will cause Sera to shut down.
I suppose one could use headcanon to do such things, but headcanon being used to fix problematic writing is something that I abhor because it makes the writers seem lazy and while it makes the players better writers in the end, it's still.... something I dislike.
Especially if it's just not gonna matter anyway.
I hate using headcanon for that too.
I didn't want to start something with Sera about forcing change, though. All I wanted was some kind of middle ground. To say that what I believed wouldn't keep me from loving her, or that it doesn't mean that her identity is lost, or something like that. Something beyond that binary choice.
hahahaha * cackles til chokes on spite* really why are you so p*ssed its just a game not some soapbox. I enjoyed sera and jacob and think they are good characters. If you dislike her so much just dont recruit her problem solved
On the subject of Jacob, they kinda did screw him up as a character. In ME2 he just became irrelevant after the half way point, and ME3 just turned him into a stereotypical trashy boyfriend
hahahaha * cackles til chokes on spite* really why are you so p*ssed its just a game not some soapbox. I enjoyed sera and jacob and think they are good characters. If you dislike her so much just dont recruit her problem solved
I think Xilizhra's position is understandable in that Sera's arc does seem unpolished from a writing perspective for a Dalish Inq. because it just drops there, with no real level of growth visible for her.
Is it a fun ride? Sure, probably. But Sera wants to find her place in the world, to grow, to figure things out for herself by using the Inquisition as the means to do so. Without some sort of follow-up (which would actually have to be I think three separate conversations, one being romance exclusive for a DE about faith) Sera's arc seems sort of.... stagnant.
Again, fun, but not very much development.
hahahaha * cackles til chokes on spite* really why are you so p*ssed its just a game not some soapbox. I enjoyed sera and jacob and think they are good characters. If you dislike her so much just dont recruit her problem solved
ok gonna have to stop you there
the guy is a walking sterotype
I hate using headcanon for that too.
I didn't want to start something with Sera about forcing change, though. All I wanted was some kind of middle ground. To say that what I believed wouldn't keep me from loving her, or that it doesn't mean that her identity is lost, or something like that. Something beyond that binary choice.
That's fair, though I think having it happen in that particular conversation moment isn't feasible because Sera's not in the right state for it.
...though she wasn't in the right state for such things with the Fade confrontation either, and you could still tell her you loved her. And it worked. So.... maybe it could've worked.
I think Xilizhra's position is understandable in that Sera's arc does seem unpolished from a writing perspective for a Dalish Inq. because it just drops there, with no real level of growth visible for her.
Is it a fun ride? Sure, probably. But Sera wants to find her place in the world, to grow, to figure things out for herself by using the Inquisition as the means to do so. Without some sort of follow-up (which would actually have to be I think three separate conversations, one being romance exclusive for a DE about faith) Sera's arc seems sort of.... stagnant.
Again, fun, but not very much development.
To be fair, stagnancy is the order of the day for most people in Inquisition. I think... Leliana, Cullen, Blackwall and Iron Bull were the only ones who could experience character growth. But it's most egregious with Sera.
That's fair, though I think having it happen in that particular conversation moment isn't feasible because Sera's not in the right state for it.
...though she wasn't in the right state for such things with the Fade confrontation either, and you could still tell her you loved her. And it worked. So.... maybe it could've worked.
I agree, it could have.
was speaking pre-me3 wasnt overly pleased by the turn of events but hey stuff happensOn the subject of Jacob, they kinda did screw him up as a character. In ME2 he just became irrelevant after the half way point, and ME3 just turned him into a stereotypical trashy boyfriend
again pre-me3ok gonna have to stop you there
the guy is a walking sterotype
imo its a minor issue from a writing pov that can go both waysI think Xilizhra's position is understandable in that Sera's arc does seem unpolished from a writing perspective for a Dalish Inq. because it just drops there, with no real level of growth visible for her.
Is it a fun ride? Sure, probably. But Sera wants to find her place in the world, to grow, to figure things out for herself by using the Inquisition as the means to do so. Without some sort of follow-up (which would actually have to be I think three separate conversations, one being romance exclusive for a DE about faith) Sera's arc seems sort of.... stagnant.
Again, fun, but not very much development.
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