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[Basement Cat]

Is frustrating how the media treats lesbian/bisexual women, is no wonder so many people consider it just a "phase" of life & that they'll get over it after finding the right guy

What I find really offensive is that bisexuals who get into a steady relationship are said to have 'decided' whether they were gay or straight. Someone even said that they thought it unfair that their girlfriend still identified as bisexual after marrying them. People still have this idea that bisexual = no restraints/standards/respect for their partner.

[.shea.]

Poor Sera lol. Bioware seems to love tossing her about like a rag doll in their latest videos.

 

She gets up and proceeds to kick some ass though, using daggers no less (and that armor looks fantastic).

[Sporothrix]

Exactly. Even if she did marry a man and do the deed (in order to produce an heir), that doesn't mean she's is bisexual, if she's only doing it for political reasons. (Artificial insemination would be quite difficult in a low tech world - the easiest way is just to do the deed until pregnancy is achieved, I guess.)

 

That was my first thought. Putting aside heir stuff, after all we know Thedas is heteronormative place since DAO, where as I assumed there had to be a reason why my city elf character was in closet, as obviously not her father nor her cousins knew anything about her sexuality or if they knew, they didn't respect it nor treat seriously so my character didn't even want to talk about it anymore (or alternatively, you can only play as straight or bisexual character).

 

But this is rather quite obvious, so I assumed that cjones91 has some reason to think that Celene is bisexual by mentioning that Gaspard guy.

[Former_Fiend]

That was my first thought. Putting aside heir stuff, after all we know Thedas is heteronormative place since DAO, where as I assumed there had to be a reason why my city elf character was in closet, as obviously not her father nor her cousins knew anything about her sexuality or if they knew, they didn't respect it nor treat seriously so my character didn't even want to talk about it anymore (or alternatively, you can only play as straight or bisexual character).

 

But this is rather quite obvious, so I assumed that cjones91 has some reason to think that Celene is bisexual by mentioning that Gaspard guy.

 

Thedas as a whole isn't entirely heteronomative. Both elven cultures and the nobility are, due to the importance of producing offspring.

[Sporothrix]

What I find really offensive is that bisexuals who get into a steady relationship are said to have 'decided' whether they were gay or straight. Someone even said that they thought it unfair that their girlfriend still identified as bisexual after marrying them. People still have this idea that bisexual = no restraints/standards/respect for their partner.

 

"Really" offensive? So homophobic views that lesbians can be turned by the right man (which are main premise behind so called "corrective rapes") are not "really" offensive?

 

People have various bigoted ideas. Some think that bisexual people (men especially) don't exist, while other - that all women are bisexual and lesbians just need a good d******.

[Former_Fiend]

She gets up and proceeds to kick some ass though, using daggers no less (and that armor looks fantastic).

 

Unlike Blackwall who just gets beaten down, and Iron Bull who gets tossed aside by some unseen force.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

What I find really offensive is that bisexuals who get into a steady relationship are said to have 'decided' whether they were gay or straight. Someone even said that they thought it unfair that their girlfriend still identified as bisexual after marrying them. People still have this idea that bisexual = no restraints/standards/respect for their partner.

Yes, i have personal experience of that when an ex gf of mine who was lesbian pretty much forced me never to mention my bisexuality, always told me i was lesbian only since i was dating a woman

[Basement Cat]

"Really" offensive? So homophobic views that lesbians can be turned by the right man (which are main premise behind so called "corrective rapes") are not "really" offensive?

 

People have various bigoted ideas. Some think that bisexual people (men especially) don't exist, while other - that all women are bisexual and lesbians just need a good d******.

Whoah there! I meant 'really' as in 'very'. Homophobia of any kind is offensive, but I have a personal stake in the bisexual issue so I feel more invested in it. What's more, bisexuals run the risk of facing bigotry from the people they are actually in a relationship with. With gays the risk of that is reduced (although it still happens. Repression is a powerful thing.)

 

Jeez.

[Sporothrix]

Yes, i have personal experience of that when an ex gf of mine who was lesbian pretty much forced me never to mention my bisexuality, always told me i was lesbian only since i was dating a woman

 

It's good then that you're no longer with her because it obviously wasn't healthy for you. But it's not only lesbians, since there are many bisexuals who do similar thing to lesbians as well. We hear all the time that "we are all a little bit bisexual", "no one is 100% one way or another" and "sexuality is fluid". Not to mention constant bringing up Kinsey Scale to make it look like we all fall somewhere on the spectrum, forgetting that Kinsey scale has 0 and 6 too, which means, exclusively straight and exclusively gay.

Our sexuality is erased as they do practically the same thing as homophobic people who claim that lesbians don't exist.

 

You know what damaging impact it has on mental health. I've seen lesbian girl on Autostraddle who said that this message from her "open-minded" friends encouraged her during her days of suffering from internalized homophobia to try "reparative therapy". Since if we are all bi, then apparently she just had to discover that men-loving part of herself.

[Samahl]

 

Caption: protect lesbian elves at all costs

 

http://zevransbutt.tumblr.com/

[Fiery Phoenix]

Why must every trailer show Sera struggling?

 

 

GIVE HER A BREAK

[cjones91]

That was my first thought. Putting aside heir stuff, after all we know Thedas is heteronormative place since DAO, where as I assumed there had to be a reason why my city elf character was in closet, as obviously not her father nor her cousins knew anything about her sexuality or if they knew, they didn't respect it nor treat seriously so my character didn't even want to talk about it anymore (or alternatively, you can only play as straight or bisexual character).

 

But this is rather quite obvious, so I assumed that cjones91 has some reason to think that Celene is bisexual by mentioning that Gaspard guy.

It was just some harmless speculation on my part,I didn't mean to cause a big deal over it.

 

If Patrick Weekes said Celene was lesbian then that's fine with me,I just thought her interest in marrying Gaspard suggested she was bisexual.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Weekes did specifically call Celene gay on Twitter. I haven't read the books, but does that mean that she suddenly "found the right man"?

 

I hope that's not the case. It looks like some sort of obsession with this theme in the media lately. "Lesbian having sex with a man" trope occured in 6 TV shows just since the end of last year (it appears there will be 7th time soon in yet another BBC show), in mainstream Hollywood movie Riddick converted a lesbian, and there's going to be movie based on Philip Roth's book, starring Al Pacino, about a man turning (much younger) lesbian and making her his wifey.

 

The final cut of the movie didn't convey this well, but the intended implication of "Riddick" is not that Katie Sackoff's character was converted into being straight by Riddick, but that she was pretending to be a lesbian and he saw through her.

[jlb524]

 

Caption: protect lesbian elves from demonic defenestration at all costs

 

that's more like it

[CrimsonN7]

Some of those demons look like something you'd find in Dead Space, that game made me jump too much *shudders*

[Basement Cat]

Some of those demons look like something you'd find in Dead Space, that game made me jump too much *shudders*

The one Sera is fighting reminded me of the nurses from Silent Hill 2. Their face reminds me of EarthWorm Jim for some reason. 

[CrimsonN7]

The one Sera is fighting reminded me of the nurses from Silent Hill 2. Their face reminds me of EarthWorm Jim for some reason. 

 

*Expecting pyramid head to appear also?*

 

 

[WildOrchid]

Some of those demons look like something you'd find in Dead Space, that game made me jump too much *shudders*

 

Or silent hill.

 

Edit:

[Basement Cat]

*Expecting pyramid head to appear also?*

 

 

I'd be more worried about this guy: 

Spoiler

That's Airman from Megaman. He was so fricking hard to beat!

[Sporothrix]

The final cut of the movie didn't convey this well, but the intended implication of "Riddick" is not that Katie Sackoff's character was converted into being straight by Riddick, but that she was pretending to be a lesbian and he saw through her.

 

I've read somewhere that in original script there was a scene where Riddick told her that he knew she's not lesbian because she had her nails painted pink. But nevertheless someone decided to cut it out and didn't find problem in leaving it this way - that a lesbian (since there wasn't any reason anymore to think otherwise) has been turned by right guy.

 

FInal product matters, not intentions of particular person, especially since there are always many people involved in creation of movies and TV shows. An example of NBC Dracula shows it perfectly. It's one of many shows that introduced "lesbian sleeping with a man" trope, though the creator and writers wanted it to look like she was traumatized by the experience. During execution, someone decided to make it look like the lesbian enjoyed sex with a man greatly, which also made that particular storyline completely nonsensical in the context of what happened before (for example, the lesbian showed revulsion before when she was forcing herself to seduce the man - though it further implies "turning").

 

So it seems that this kind of portrayal is actively pushed by TPTB of the media. Here's Dracula's creator, Cole Haddon, tweet about Dracula's incident (obviously some spoilers revealing for example which character has been made a lesbian in that adaptation, and who she slept with):

 

https://twitter.com/...506045349015553

[Star fury]

Why must every trailer show Sera struggling?
 
 
GIVE HER A BREAK

What you gonna do if Sera gets killed in the game? It's just a trailer for god's sake!

[Jedi Master of Orion]

I've read somewhere that in original script there was a scene where Riddick told her that he knew she's not lesbian because she had her nails painted pink. But nevertheless someone decided to cut it out and didn't find problem in leaving it this way - that a lesbian (since there wasn't any reason anymore to think otherwise) has been turned by right guy.

 

I'm not saying it's good. the way it worked out, but I'm also not sure it's quite as clear cut as that. That final product is still open to interpretation. Even in the final cut, the idea that Dahl was pretending to be a lesbian is just as plausible as the idea that she was turned straight.

[Sporothrix]

I'm not saying it's good. the way it worked out, but I'm also not sure it's quite as clear cut as that. That final product is still open to interpretation. Even in the final cut, the idea that Dahl was pretending to be a lesbian is just as plausible as the idea that she was turned straight.

This way we could justify almost every instance of this kind of storyline. For example, obviously lesbian couldn't be turned by any right man. So if some movie or series shows storyline that on the surface looks like that, then obviously she simply was never a lesbian, and it's important to portray experiences of women like her, and it's biphobic to find any problem in it. Oh, and we should just ignore people who saw in it confirmation of homophobic views about lesbians, because they're wrong and we're right.

 

This kind of rationalization happens every time those tropes are introduced. 

 

When it leaves ANY room for valid personal interpretation leading to encouragement of homophobic views, it already has done the damage.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Any work is never going to be completely free of personal interpretations. And personally, I also think that the authorial intent, while not the only valid thing, IS important; especially in cases executed too ambiguously like Riddick.

 

If people are prejudiced, then they can still find ways to have prejudices confirmed in something even despite the best efforts of an author. 

 

I mean if there was a hypothetical story about someone who clearly identified as gay (or straight) coming to terms with being bisexual, then people could still see homophobic views about gay and lesbian people just needing for find the right person confirmed, even though that's a real type of thing that does happen to real people.

[Samahl]

If people are prejudiced, then they can still find ways to have prejudices confirmed in something even despite the best efforts of an author. 

 

See: people who think of characters who are explicitly described with brown skin as "tanned" white people.