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[raging_monkey]

coffee sounds great atm

[Lady Luminous]

morning

[Lady Luminous]

coffee sounds great atm

 

Coffee is always good.

[Beba]

Its a bit of a play on a movie called The Princess Bride.

omg I love this movie  . I can't believe I didn't get it...   No, I can believe it, I saw it only translated into Czech, which usually su...which is usually not so good .

[raging_monkey]

Coffee is always good.

after the night i had yes it is

[Lady Luminous]

after the night i had yes it is

 

Oh what did you do now?

[raging_monkey]

Oh what did you do now?

flashback of a past relationship and got hammered to forget again and stayed up all night playing cards.... yup sounds like a thursday lol

[The Loyal Nub]

 

Andraste's knickers, this thread updates at a ferocious rate!!  I'd simply like to state that pizza is awesome, and pineapple is totally acceptable on one. Especially when mixed with ham and mushrooms.

 

 

 

I saw a lot of this discussion when flicking around the various pages of this thread. There were loads I wanted to quote, but I can't find them, so this helps nicely. I've seen here (and heard elsewhere) a lot being made of the fact Sera seems to imply that she has/would theoretically go all the way with a man. There's a couple of different questions raised there.

 

I guess the main question I want to ask is: If Sera has ever been with a guy, does it matter...? As a gay woman who is of the "gold star" variety, I see an awful lot of hostility amongst lesbians towards women who aren't. I mean in general, not necessarily here. If a woman sleeps with men before she realises/can bring herself to accept that she only likes women, is she any less entitled to identify as a lesbian? IMHO no, not at all. And heaven forbid if a woman is actually bi...  Now I know Sera isn't intended to be bi, so that's a different point entirely. It's just a personal bugbear of mine how bi women are treated by gay women sometimes, but I'll spare you that rant. 

 

OTOH I completely understand the need for representation, and accurate representation at that. I never played as BroShep so I can't add too much to your comment about Traynor there, but as a female I've never had an issue with her portrayal. Celene is more problematic, I very much agree. 

 

So is it the fact that Sera is Word of Godded as gay, and presents as such in game, so therefore anything ambiguous like this should have been left out of the writing? I find Blackwall about as interesting as drying paint half the time, so he never makes my party. Purely reading the dialogues, though, it's possible Sera is possibly taking it from the angle of how to please a woman and is actually taking a dig at the stereotype of male attitudes to straight sex...? 

 

 

Interesting. I can't completely speak to it being a straight male. It's not really my preserve. I do know this though, from experience, that the first gay female friend I had, which was in college, was a woman, a few years older than I was so more experienced, who'd had relationships with men before she decided men just weren't worth her time in romantic pursuits. At the time that I was close to her she challenged an assumption I'd held, before knowing anybody gay, that gay people simply never enjoyed straight sex. She disabused me of this notion. In her case she just could not find emotional closeness with a man. That spark was never there even if the sex was decent. There was not that "closeness" she desired with another so she just decided to stop pursuing men and things were better and more in line with what she wanted in a relationship with women.

 

I wasn't going to respond yesterday but I was reminded of my old, lost, friend when reading the post you responded to and then thinking about Sera. People have a lot of different life experiences and not everyone comes to the place in their journey the same way. Things are rarely just black and white.

 

Anyway great post!

 

It's snowing here. Winter's last hurrah I guess. So I've just finished up ME 2. I lost the entire crew except the doc and I lost two companions. One was not loyal and the other was. One of them will bother me quite a bit

Spoiler

Tali

and as predicted here by some of you

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Miranda, while not loyal brushed it all off and walked away

. Great game! I liked it better than the first in some ways although I will not miss that stupid hovercraft or the bloody code hacks!!! On to ME 3!

[SardaukarElite]

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So is it the fact that Sera is Word of Godded as gay, and presents as such in game, so therefore anything ambiguous like this should have been left out of the writing?

 

I think the thing is that her sexuality isn't supposed to be ambiguous. So if there's something odd which could be misconstrued the question is was the rest of her character clear enough to make it obvious to everyone? Which isn't a straightforward question.

[Lady Luminous]

flashback of a past relationship and got hammered to forget again and stayed up all night playing cards.... yup sounds like a thursday lol

 

Monkey, that's so not healthy emotionally or physically. I'm sorry love.

[The Loyal Nub]

flashback of a past relationship and got hammered to forget again and stayed up all night playing cards.... yup sounds like a thursday lol

 

Ooof! I hope the card playing did not also involve money? Anyway sorry to hear that! Hope you feel better!

[raging_monkey]

Monkey, that's so not healthy emotionally or physically. I'm sorry love.

i net more happyness that way. Sides its better than my other coping methods

[The Loyal Nub]

@The Loyal Nub

Spoiler

Not having Tali will make a difference in ME3, just so you're ready for it.

 

Aw crap! I knew it! I shouldn't have picked

Spoiler

her to go in the pipe

. I was surprised when

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she bought it cause she was loyal and I thought loyal team members didn't buy it

.

[raging_monkey]

Ooof! I hope the card playing did not also involve money? Anyway sorry to hear that! Hope you feel better!

im too cheap to play for cash haha nah simplly made 21 decks and tested each of them haha. I dont leave the house when buzzed

[Lady Luminous]

i net more happyness that way. Sides its better than my other coping methods

 

Maybe consider a therapist?

[SardaukarElite]

Aw crap! I knew it! I shouldn't have picked

Spoiler

her to go in the pipe

. I was surprised when

Spoiler

she bought it cause she was loyal and I thought loyal team members didn't buy it

.

 

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Pretty sure for that one the person in the pipe dies if the second team leader isn't good enough, and the leader dies if the pipe person isn't good enough.

[raging_monkey]

Aw crap! I knew it! I shouldn't have picked

Spoiler

her to go in the pipe

. I was surprised when

Spoiler

she bought it cause she was loyal and I thought loyal team members didn't buy it

.

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they buy it just loyalty ups their survivale rate team management is decided whos KIA/WIA

[FadelessRipley]

 

I like you, I'm glad you've decided to come back! 

 

I have no problem with women discovering offline that they only like women after experimentation with men, I think the issue comes into the game because it muddies the waters a bit. 

 

I know a number of players whose only interaction with LBTQ is in game only, because they've never met an out person in their personal life. So I sometimes worry that these players are getting the wrong impressions from certain characters being written in a way that could be taken as them being bi. Nothing wrong with bi either, but that's not Sera's character. 

 

I don't know if I'm making any sense, so feel free to stop me. 

Nyaww, thanks! I was offline for most of yesterday. Better stop doing that if I want to hang around here - 20 pages!!     Hmm, yes I see what you mean. Accurate representation is important. If you're touting your first 100% gay female character, you need to be careful about any ambiguity. 

 

 

I may not be the best person to respond but I don't feel that there really is any negative feelings here toward bi women or lesbians that have been with men before in this thread at all. Most of the beloved characters are bi, Leliana, Liara are both icons when it comes to romance in BioWare games for lesbian women, in my opinion. I think maybe the angst comes in when the first lesbian DA characters conversations could be portrayed as having some attraction to men, to some. I'm not saying that I agree with this but I can see why they question it. I really have no issue with Sera except some of the elfy stuff but I still love her character. She's still my fav, although I still angst over Cass but she does have a good friendship arc.

I didn't get that vibe from here really, just meant in general! And yes, I see what you mean. Dorian had no such ambiguity, for example. So it's problematic in that context. 

 

 

Interesting. I can't completely speak to it being a straight male. It's not really my preserve. I do know this though, from experience, that the first gay female friend I had, which was in college, was a woman, a few years older than I was so more experienced, who'd had relationships with men before she decided men just weren't worth her time in romantic pursuits. At the time that I was close to her she challenged an assumption I'd held, before knowing anybody gay, that gay people simply never enjoyed straight sex. She disabused me of this notion. In her case she just could not find emotional closeness with a man. That spark was never there even if the sex was decent. There was not that "closeness" she desired with another so she just decided to stop pursuing men and things were better and more in line with what she wanted in a relationship with women.

 

I wasn't going to respond yesterday but I was reminded of my old, lost, friend when reading the post you responded to and then thinking about Sera. People have a lot of different life experiences and not everyone comes to the place in their journey the same way. Things are rarely just black and white.

 

Anyway great post!

 

It's snowing here. Winter's last hurrah I guess. So I've just finished up ME 2. I lost the entire crew except the doc and I lost two companions. One was not loyal and the other was. One of them will bother me quite a bit

Spoiler

Tali

and as predicted here by some of you

Spoiler

Miranda, while not loyal brushed it all off and walked away

. Great game! I liked it better than the first in some ways although I will not miss that stupid hovercraft or the bloody code hacks!!! On to ME 3!

That's a very interesting point you make. I've never had sex with a guy, but the idea doesn't repulse me. I think I may actually enjoy it, on a purely physical level. I appreciate the attractiveness of men in a similar way to how straight women appreciate women, I imagine. However I never react the same way I do to women (which is usually a slightly more subtle version of Sera, tbh. ) The thing for me is the idea of having a relationship with a man feels completely alien. I have very close friendships with men who are gay, bi and straight. The idea of a romantic one just doesn't click. It genuinely feels foreign. 

 

I'm sorry to hear about your friend. Yes, life is very different to all of us. It's a pity we can't see more grey instead of black and white. 

[raging_monkey]

Maybe consider a therapist?

i have a aversion to those who like to dig into my skull and prefer sorting it put myself

[The Loyal Nub]

Spoiler

they buy it just loyalty ups their survivale rate team management is decided whos KIA/WIA

 

Spoiler

Great I handed her a death sentence. Should have put bloody Miranda in the pipe! I did manage to save Samara though. Samara and Grunt were the A team

[Lady Luminous]

 

 

Nyaww, thanks! I was offline for most of yesterday. Better stop doing that if I want to hang around here - 20 pages!!     Hmm, yes I see what you mean. Accurate representation is important. If you're touting your first 100% gay female character, you need to be careful about any ambiguity. 

 

That's a very interesting point you make. I've never had sex with a guy, but the idea doesn't repulse me. I think I may actually enjoy it, on a purely physical level. I appreciate the attractiveness of men in a similar way to how straight women appreciate women, I imagine. However I never react the same way I do to women (which is usually a slightly more subtle version of Sera, tbh. ) The thing for me is the idea of having a relationship with a man feels completely alien. I have very close friendships with men who are gay, bi and straight. The idea of a romantic one just doesn't click. It genuinely feels foreign. 

 

I never catch up myself, just jump in the next day. That's how a number of us operate  

 

I'm a straight gal, but I can definitely appreciate the beauty of other women, and I could even kiss one happily. But I could never go below the waist with another lady or be in a relationship with her; I'm just not hardwired that way. 

[Lady Luminous]

i have a aversion to those who like to dig into my skull and prefer sorting it put myself

 

Okay. Just promise me no alcohol poisoning?