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[AlexiaRevan]

"Oh it was more than a dream, my dear."



Ridiculously awesome.

Pfffffffff as I said..keep dreaming!! 

 

 It never be more hot then femHawke + bela! 

[Duelist]

Felicitate meeee!!!

That scene was the only good thing about downloading Sebastian.

[AlexiaRevan]

Felicitate meeee!!!

That scene was the only good thing about downloading Sebastian.

whats that Pic ? I cant see it...

 

and here ya go 

 

[Duelist]

Pfffffffff as I said..keep dreaming!!

It never be more hot then femHawke + bela!

Ridiculously awesome.

[AlexiaRevan]

Ridiculously awesome.

 

 

[raging_monkey]

Felicitate meeee!!!

That scene was the only good thing about downloading Sebastian.

it got weird though

[Duelist]

it got weird though

Meh, it's Sebastian. Weird is far better than his usual annoying.

[Duelist]

See even they agree with Zev.

[AlexiaRevan]

See even they agree with Zev.

But they are Lamo....so..who cares!   

[raging_monkey]

Meh, it's Sebastian. Weird is far better than his usual annoying.

ill take seb over what i heard after feliciate me... use the feather... weirdo

[WildOrchid]

whats that Pic ? I cant see it...

 

and here ya go 

 

 

You can't see the gif?

Is izzy looking at prude dude. Y know, THAT amused look.

[Duelist]

But they are Lamo....so..who cares!

This is true.

Isabela still likes Zevran though. A lot.

[Duelist]

ill take seb over what i heard after feliciate me... use the feather... weirdo

I'd just prefer I never downloaded that s*** at all lol.

[AlexiaRevan]

This is true.

Isabela still likes Zevran though. A lot.

Pffffffff not in my game ! I dont share....and zevran went his merry way......  

[WildOrchid]

ill take seb over what i heard after feliciate me... use the feather... weirdo

 

You do know what the feather is about though?

Nothing weird about that tbh.

[AlexiaRevan]

You can't see the gif?

Is izzy looking at prude dude. Y know, THAT amused look.

Hum...Nope . 

 

I found a Page full of Bela Gif , and ya know what ? there are some I dont even know where they come from . Muh..maybe I make another playtrough...after the Bounty event is over....I'm due for some Belaaaaaaa smoochie anyway 

[raging_monkey]

You do know what the feather is about though?
Nothing weird about that tbh.

ihave a idea but it wouldnt be approprate to disclose it

[AlexiaRevan]

I still think this is THE BEST gif of Bela! Like come on...so goddaaaaaamn gorgeous and droole worthy and nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom 

 

 

I need to find that outfit for her.....

[Duelist]

I still think this is THE BEST gif of Bela! Like come on...so goddaaaaaamn gorgeous and droole worthy and nomnomnomnomnomnomnomnom



I need to find that outfit for her.....

Taarsidath-an halsaam.

[AlexiaRevan]

Taarsidath-an halsaam.

Qué? ya arent talking elfish fish..are ya ?   

[Duelist]

Qué? ya arent talking elfish fish..are ya ?

[Sporothrix]

I guess the main question I want to ask is: If Sera has ever been with a guy, does it matter...? As a gay woman who is of the "gold star" variety, I see an awful lot of hostility amongst lesbians towards women who aren't. I mean in general, not necessarily here. If a woman sleeps with men before she realises/can bring herself to accept that she only likes women, is she any less entitled to identify as a lesbian? IMHO no, not at all. And heaven forbid if a woman is actually bi...  Now I know Sera isn't intended to be bi, so that's a different point entirely. It's just a personal bugbear of mine how bi women are treated by gay women sometimes, but I'll spare you that rant. 

 

I think it does matter in bigger context. I was talking quite a few times here already how lesbians are portrayed in the media, how pervasive "lesbian sleeping with a man (and loving it)" trope is, which in the end is encouraging views that lesbians deep down just need d**k, a right guy to f**k them straight or at least bi, idea that stands behind sexual harassment and "corrective" rape, of which I am survivor myself.

 

Bioware didn't go there, but they certainly keep putting lesbian characters in sexual situations with men, and it is really disappointing to see.

 

If Bioware writers were ever going to give us lesbian character with sexual history with men, I would prefer if they first provided us substantial amount of lesbian characters without, and that they would make it clear she didn't enjoy it and was never really into it on the first place.

[Sporothrix]

Interesting. I can't completely speak to it being a straight male. It's not really my preserve. I do know this though, from experience, that the first gay female friend I had, which was in college, was a woman, a few years older than I was so more experienced, who'd had relationships with men before she decided men just weren't worth her time in romantic pursuits. At the time that I was close to her she challenged an assumption I'd held, before knowing anybody gay, that gay people simply never enjoyed straight sex. She disabused me of this notion. In her case she just could not find emotional closeness with a man. That spark was never there even if the sex was decent. There was not that "closeness" she desired with another so she just decided to stop pursuing men and things were better and more in line with what she wanted in a relationship with women.

 

I must confess that I hold big resentment for women like your friend, because I feel they contribute to erasure of women like me. Like in your confession - I assume you based your convictions about how gay women feel about this stuff on your own feelings. And apparently example of that woman convinced you that for gay women, it's about "feelings", not sex, that lesbians can be into men sexually.

 

You're probably not aware of that, but that's exactly the damaging idea about gay women - that yeah, we can be "touchy-feely" with other women, that it's about cuddling and holding hands together, but for "real sex", we need d**k, at least from time to time. It's basically the opposite of damaging myths about gay men - for them, it is believed it's all about sex, not love, that two men can't really love each other.

 

Women like your friend are also used to justify homophobic portrayals of lesbians in the media. I wrote to BBC twice with complaint about such depictions in their 2 shows last year (in one, lesbian character had passionate sex with a man month after telling another man who was hitting on her that she's lesbian so it's not going to happen, in another show lesbian character had passionate sex with a man after being basically sexually harassed by said man, who saw her lesbianism as a challenge - I kid you not).

Each time they wrote me back pretty much the same answer that they're just portraying reality of "some lesbians". And then introduced that kind of storyline 2 more times that year.

 

My resentment is also based on the fact that, at least when it comes to those I had discussion with, they never admit of that side of homophobia, they even encourage such storylines I mentioned above, pretending that it's never seen (when just last year there were at least 7 instances of "lesbian having sex with a man and loving it" trope in TV).

It's understandable why they are doing that - it validates their identity. But at the same time, it contributes to erasure of women who are exclusively sexually attracted to women since it harmonizes perfectly with what the homophobic people like to think about us.

 

 

So it's basically a matter of contradictory interests, but I think it's women like me that are at disadvanage here, because what I described above does not lead to making people think there are different "types" of lesbians out there. It's convincing people that women like me don't exist, that it's true that lesbians as a whole don't mind d**k. Meanwhile, those women have so many other labels they could use to describe their sexuality instead, without making life harder for other women.

 

Last but not least, I also wanted to add that the only longitudinal research on sexual minority women I am aware of, of Lisa M. Diamond, showed that distinction between lesbian-identified women - some based their identity mainly on romantic, some on sexual feelings.

But after 10 years of the study majority of initially lesbian identified women who felt some sexual attraction to men, but believed they could only fall in love with women, found some man "who was different" and dropped lesbian label.

The only "extremely solid" group were women who have always been exclusively sexually attracted to women, regardless of their romantic history (some actually figured out they were lesbians because they still didn't feel sexual attraction even to men they loved - basically the opposite of your friend).

 

That's why Lisa Diamond thinks sexual orientation is based on sexual feelings (speaking precisely "proceptivity", but it needs a lot longer explanation) and that we all have potential to fall in love with anyone, as Helen Fisher's brain research showed that the structures that run romantic and sexual feelings are separated and influenced by different hormones, and Diamond's research suggests romantic preferences unlike sexual ones aren't hardwired.

 

So I personally would be a lot more OK with portrayal of lesbian with romantic, but not sexual feelings for a man than the other way around, but only after substantial portrayal of lesbian characters that are just into women.

[WildOrchid]

but they certainly keep putting lesbian characters in sexual situations with men, and it is really disappointing to see.

 

They never did that with Sera. It was a pure joke. I very much doubt Sera would ever touch a dude. She is not a bard.

Sera mainly jokes in her banters.

 

Who are those lesbians you speak of?