Sera's writing was **** to lesbians. I know you disagree, but I really despise the way they turned the obvious hate sink character into the lesbian romance option.
Maybe Bioware shares the same thought I have, a characters orientation shouldn't interfere in the way they are written
Maybe Bioware shares the same thought I have, a characters orientation shouldn't interfere in the way they are written
Unfortunately, that simply doesn't work until all other factors are equal. Orientation has to be kept in mind to avoid writing something offensive, assuming you care about not offending people.
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She's only a hate sink if you're Dalish. Possibly at least.
Unfortunately, that simply doesn't work until all other factors are equal. Orientation has to be kept in mind to avoid writing something offensive, assuming you care about not offending people.
And what did Sera do that was offensive?
Sure, if the straight man, like Nub's friend, specified that he was able to experience sexual attraction/pleasure, but not any romantic attraction or meaning to it and eventually concluded that he was in fact straight. There is not a very good vocabulary to describe sexuality, so maybe there's a better way to describe a situation like that, but they get to decide that for themselves. Real people's experiences of their own sexuality can be messy and complicated and as long as they're not flinging poo on other people, they're allowed to experience that complication without it being shot down as "just this" or "just that", imo. Which is what it sounds like Nub's friend was saying.
Sure, figuring it out can be messy and complicated, but we're talking about situation when a person already knows he or she is sexually attracted to men, but decides to identify as lesbian or straight man anyway.
I don't believe in nonsense that "only goldstars are real lesbians". I don't think sexual behavior really matters. But I think visibility does, and actions of people that are considered to be a part of small, misunderstood and misrepresented minority can affect that visibility significantly, in good or bad way.
I just think we have some responsibilities to other people too. It's not a matter of misunderstanding, it is understandable why they are doing it, but I cannot understand this lack of consideration for other people. I had conversations with such women. They never show any care about how their actions affect other women, or they try to undermine (sometimes even encourage) homophobia toward lesbians just to justify it, like denying that anyone, women in particular, could be only into one sex.
This is why I have huge respect for women like Riese from Autostraddle. She expresses exactly that pattern ("homoromantic bisexual"), but chose to identify as queer because she understands those issues, and in addition to bringing up subject of biphobia oftentimes, she also many times spoke about erasure of women who are exclusively into women, like during discussion about de-gaying of Amy in Faking It, when lesbian-identified women who were sexually attracted to men in comments section were delighted by that portrayal, of what they considered to be a lesbian whose body responds to men against her will and turn her into Sexual Hulk (sic).
I think Xil meant 'hate sink" in that everyone hates her. Which is not unfair, she's one of the overall least liked companions.
And what did Sera do that was offensive?
Existing. 
member that ypur wifs better joke that could be misconstrued, then she alledgyly said a transphobic remark, then she gets evangelical on a dalish... its alot of chargesAnd what did Sera do that was offensive?
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I think Xil meant 'hate sink" in that everyone hates her. Which is not unfair, she's one of the overall least liked companions.
I don't think that was intended though. I think the Dalish part was.
good intentions lead straight to hellI don't think that was intended though. I think the Dalish part was.
I think Xil meant 'hate sink" in that everyone hates her. Which is not unfair, she's one of the overall least liked companions.
I guess I can see that, but at the same it really shouldn't matter as long as you like the character.
Not everyone is gonna like all the characters and yes Bioware purposely wrote as someone you'll either love or hate but that isn't really a bad thing either even if she's a romance option
I think Xil meant 'hate sink" in that everyone hates her. Which is not unfair, she's one of the overall least liked companions.
What I mean is that she was designed to be a magnet for controversy and an easy target of hatred, often for regrettably justifiable reasons. She is, after all, the only one you can kick out at any time, and has by far the most dialogue options for the Inquisitor to meanly berate her.
Additionally, her implementation with a Dalish Inquisitor was ****** **** and the character should have been rewritten after racial options were added.
I don't think that was intended though. I think the Dalish part was.
Weird choice of words. Of course they didn't go IMMA WRITE A CHARACTER EVERYONE HATES. But they knew she'd be a polarizing character, they said so. Lukas has always said she'd be loved by a few, meaning that a lot would hate/be indiffernet towards her. They always knew it was going to go down like this. Sure, one hopes to be proven wrong, but they knew.
The issue is, is that a problem, given that she's the first (and as of now, only) lesbian companion? Some are very adamantly yes, some are very adamantly no, I am in the uneasy "it's all very complicated and I would like to be able to be slightly critical of it and then go back to hanging out with my flawless waifu~~" camp.
Honestly I'm more irritated about the constant eject button and the disappointing personal quest, but shrug. (Other things too, but they're all over the game, like the lack of follow up on issues etc)
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Personally, I wish more characters shifted on a love/hate spectrum like she did. As much as I like Cass, she's written as far more inclusive than Sera. Sera challenges the romance on basis of religious issues. And she isn't even that religious.
edit: Actually most of the DA2 characters were like this, in one way or another.
She is, after all, the only one you can kick out at any time, and has by far the most dialogue options for the Inquisitor to meanly berate her.
This is an annoying addition, yes...
> inquisitor cant offend Viv, nor kick her out even.
>inquisitor can insult Sera, and kick her out anytime.
What is this.
found away to rid of that fortunaltyWeird choice of words. Of course they didn't go IMMA WRITE A CHARACTER EVERYONE HATES. But they knew she'd be a polarizing character, they said so. Lukas has always said she'd be loved by a few, meaning that a lot would hate/be indiffernet towards her. They always knew it was going to go down like this. Sure, one hopes to be proven wrong, but they knew.
The issue is, is that a problem, given that she's the first (and as of now, only) lesbian companion? Some are very adamantly yes, some are very adamantly no, I am in the uneasy "it's all very complicated and I would like to be able to be slightly critical of it and then go back to hanging out with my flawless waifu~~" camp.
Honestly I'm more irritated about the constant eject button and the disappointing personal quest, but shrug. (Other things too, but they're all over the game, like the lack of follow up on issues etc)
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That I'll agree on. I don't understand why she can be booted like that over others.
This is an annoying addition, yes...
> inquisitor cant offend Viv, nor kick her out even.
>inquisitor can insult Sera, and kick her out anytime.
What is this.
Yea that should've applied to other companions, or take out the option and have her leave via low approval like the rest
Oh, I agree about the dialogue choices too. Too often I feel like we're made to condescend to or humor Sera, not like, relate to her. That was a huge problem I had at first with her. "WHY IS SHE YELLING AT ME I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE MEANS" oh right because my Quizzie said some dumb crap to her. 
Weird choice of words. Of course they didn't go IMMA WRITE A CHARACTER EVERYONE HATES. But they knew she'd be a polarizing character, they said so. Lukas has always said she'd be loved by a few, meaning that a lot would hate/be indiffernet towards her. They always knew it was going to go down like this. Sure, one hopes to be proven wrong, but they knew.
The issue is, is that a problem, given that she's the first (and as of now, only) lesbian companion? Some are very adamantly yes, some are very adamantly no, I am in the uneasy "it's all very complicated and I would like to be able to be slightly critical of it and then go back to hanging out with my flawless waifu~~" camp.
Honestly I'm more irritated about the constant eject button and the disappointing personal quest, but shrug. (Other things too, but they're all over the game, like the lack of follow up on issues etc)
And it was grossly irresponsible and insensitive for Lukas to do so. I cannot consider him a good writer or ally for this.
Weird choice of words. Of course they didn't go IMMA WRITE A CHARACTER EVERYONE HATES. But they knew she'd be a polarizing character, they said so. Lukas has always said she'd be loved by a few, meaning that a lot would hate/be indiffernet towards her. They always knew it was going to go down like this. Sure, one hopes to be proven wrong, but they knew.
He seriously said that? Admitted that therefore they knew they are de facto limiting options of lesbian players to just one LI and just didn't care?
Oh, I agree about the dialogue choices too. Too often I feel like we're made to condescend to or humor Sera, not like, relate to her. That was a huge problem I had at first with her. "WHY IS SHE YELLING AT ME I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT SHE MEANS" oh right because my Quizzie said some dumb crap to her.
Esp that part "you're not like other elves, LOLZ".
No wonder why Sera gets constantly annoyed by this. I was actually sideeyeing a lot of quizzy's comments towards Sera and yet people find Sera rude. It's ok when the inquisitor does it ofc.
And it was grossly irresponsible and insensitive for Lukas to do so. I cannot consider him a good writer or ally for this.
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