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I was less annoyed by that because it was optional and I could definitely see RP contexts for it, then the "what do your little pranks actually achieve" dialogue line, which you HAVE to select to romance her, lmao, and is super condescending imo. 



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I can only assume my Inquisitor was stupid and saw elves as meek. She struck him as different.

 

But he isn't as bad as Velanna was to those city elves. He's just ignorant.



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but arent rpgs power trips anyway

 

I wish they weren't. I just want good stories. I don't care how powerful I am.



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More by the fact she wants to be seen as a person and not as an elf. She gets annoyed when people see her as elf and not by what she does.

 

That goes for how she views the little people too, she doesn't see human peasants and City Elves she just sees people 

 

but arent rpgs power trips anyway

 

Depends on how they're done


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Ahhh, wish i could stay a lil more but it's 4am and i have to sleep.. D:

 

Have fun.



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Ahhh, wish i could stay a lil more but it's 4am and i have to sleep.. D:

Have fun.

night

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Media is sh!t to lesbians, i know that already. I said it in my post.

 

But you're trying to see something that isn't there with Sera and it gets annoying tbh. She doesn't like men. Never said she hooked up with a dude, nor that she will do it "just to tell him the wife is better". Please. It's a joke. And a lame one, at that.

I don't say she likes men. I questioned the necessity of that male-centric writing for character arc of a lesbian, banters about seducing men, especially in context when all the other Bioware lesbians took it one step further.

 

Though I'm not entirely sure why you're concerned if Sera liked men. Didn't you agree with The Loyal Nub's friend's take on lesbianism or I messed up something?



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but arent rpgs power trips anyway

 

Well, not inherently. Is Planescape: Torment a power fantasy? Is KOTOR2 a power fantasy? (Eh, I dont have better examples off the top of my head because I'm tired as hell rn)  I mean it's central to most modern gaming, yes. I'm not even knocking it. It just doesn't have to be so over the top GOD EMPEROR OF THEDAS, ya know? 



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I wish they weren't. I just want good stories. I don't care how powerful I am.

mmm but is there a balance to it

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Well, not inherently. Is Planescape: Torment a power fantasy? Is KOTOR2 a power fantasy? (Eh, yes, you could argue they both are but I dont have better examples off the top of my head because I'm tired as hell rn) I mean it's central to most modern gaming, yes. I'm not even knocking it. It just doesn't have to be so over the top GOD EMPEROR OF THEDAS, ya know?

i guess... still stuck on god of thedas part

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That goes for how she views the little people too, she doesn't see human peasants and City Elves she just sees people 

 

 

Sure, that's why she greets Elf Inquisitor with such enthusiasm.


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Well, not inherently. Is Planescape: Torment a power fantasy? Is KOTOR2 a power fantasy? (Eh, I dont have better examples off the top of my head because I'm tired as hell rn)  I mean it's central to most modern gaming, yes. I'm not even knocking it. It just doesn't have to be so over the top GOD EMPEROR OF THEDAS, ya know? 

 

I'd say KOTOR and KOTOR 2 are power fantasies with a good story

 

Skyrim is definitely a power fantasy lol


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I definitely don't think all games should turn into deconstructions of power and/or mundane stories, even though I love both of those things. I just really want power to be handled a little bit better, and by better I mean like..., disguise the implausible fantasy a little bit more for me, maybe lampshade it some, idk. :P 



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i guess... still stuck on god of thedas part

 

I care too much about Thedas to be it's god.

 

The worst thing that could happen is put such a cool setting into MY hands. :D



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Sure, that's why she greets Elf Inquisitor with such enthusiasm.

 

She says as long as your not too elfy :P

 

The only Inquisitor she's truly happy to see is the qunari one 



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I definitely don't think all games should turn into deconstructions of power and/or mundane stories, even though I love both of those things. I just really want power to be handled a little bit better, and by better I mean like..., disguise the implausible fantasy a little bit more for me, maybe lampshade it some, idk. :P

 

I don't either.

 

I think mentioning Hawke pretty much sums it up for me. It was just about right. Maybe the same case with many JRPG protagonists too.



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I care too much about Thedas to be it's god.

The worst thing that could happen is put such a cool setting into MY hands. :D

omg it history class all over again :P

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She says as long as your not too elfy :P

 

The only Inquisitor she's truly happy to see is the qunari one 

How does this differ from "I hope you're not too Jewish?"



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How does this differ from "I hope you're not too Jewish?"

 

...Really?



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...Really?

Yes, really. Exactly, really. Identically, really. Consider that both descriptors refer to both a race and a religion/set of cultural practices that get constantly crapped on by the majority population of wherever they live.



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I admit the "too elfy" bit knaws at me but lets not go there

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I think it's a valid question.

 

 

I think it might be something a Jew could even say to another Jew. Not all Jews want to be, say, ultra orthodox. Which is kind of like a Dalish... more or less. Trying to keep it real to the furthest degree. A more liberal type would be like "Dude... no."



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I think it's a valid question.

 

 

I think it might be something a Jew could even say to another Jew. Not all Jews want to be, say, ultra orthodox. Which is kind of like a Dalish... more or less. Trying to keep it real to the furthest degree. A more liberal type would be like "Dude... no."

I don't give Sera any license for that going that way, because she doesn't want to be identified as an elf at all. She's forsaken any e-word privileges.



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I don't give Sera any license for that going that way, because she doesn't want to be identified as an elf at all. She's forsaken any e-word privileges.

 

Because obviously not wanting to be seen for just their race means that  :rolleyes:



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Because obviously not wanting to be seen for just their race means that  :rolleyes:

If she wants to be treated like a human, then I'll bloody well treat her like a human.