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#92426
introverted_assassin

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"Excuses are tools of uselessness and those that use them are seldom good for anything."

i wanted you guys to enjoy it so it certainly wouldn't bother me to read about it.

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i guess

#92428
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This stopped being the Social Network a long time ago lol

 

Sure but the format really did not change so I wasn't wrong was I? ;)



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Question, would you want to hear anything about it in spoilers? I don't want to upset anyone.

 

Sure Dani I would be curious to hear your impressions since you have it.

 

I'd have bought it today if I read: "Whoah it tells us what happened to Solas!" or "It told us so much more about this character!" or "Gee I got an extra romance scene with my LI."

 

Instead it seems we're paying to just unlock a new map area. Ok. Sure. But I can wait to get that. I'll get it but it ain't a day one buy. More like when I have time.


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#92430
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What I find truly depressing is this growing culture among players that the developers are the enemy.


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Maybe it got cut cause it didnt work at first but got fixed and then released. Wont deny the price issue

$15 is high for the amount of content I've heard described. It reminds me of the 'black dye' DLC from Fable 3 for $2. For one item!

 

*tinfoil hat on* Do you think they inflated the price of the DLC to compensate for people getting a refund? *tinfoil hat off*


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$15 is high for the amount of content I've heard described. It reminds me of the 'black dye' DLC from Fable 3 for $2. For one item!

*tinfoil hat on* Do you think they inflated the price of the DLC to compensate for people getting a refund? *tinfoil hat off*


Maybe with the timed exclusive they lower the price after the review :P

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$15 is high for the amount of content I've heard described. It reminds me of the 'black dye' DLC from Fable 3 for $2. For one item!

*tinfoil hat on* Do you think they inflated the price of the DLC to compensate for people getting a refund? *tinfoil hat off*

put the foilhat back on your own to something

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What I find truly depressing is this growing culture among players that the developers are the enemy.

its better than warring amongst ourselves

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its better than warring amongst ourselves


Not really, both are a depressing state that puts gamers in a bad light even more

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Not really, both are a depressing state that puts gamers in a bad light even more

we were in a good light? News to me lol

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What I find truly depressing is this growing culture among players that the developers are the enemy.

If anything developers, publishers and gamers all share equal parts of the blame. You really can't blame one side without ignoring the others. 


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*sigh*

who the hell else are we supposed to side eye when these not okay things happen? i didn't make the game. they did. and it's not an us against them mentality to me it's right vs wrong. and everytime they muck up, we're not supposed to say anything? i ain't no sheep bruh. real world or otherwise. and i don't like feeling like i've been played. that's how EYE feel. that's why I'm disappointed.

(coincidentally watching something about being a professional gamer)
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$15 is high for the amount of content I've heard described. It reminds me of the 'black dye' DLC from Fable 3 for $2. For one item!

 

*tinfoil hat on* Do you think they inflated the price of the DLC to compensate for people getting a refund? *tinfoil hat off*

 

I am sure if you managed to get a developer to comment on it they'd say something like:

 

"It's a vast new area/map that is as big as other areas of the game. A lot of time goes into creating each area of the game which is not something I am sure most fans appreciate. You'll have to take my word for it. We don't feel it's over the market price for the content, replayable content I might add, that it offers the players."

 

He or she would have something of a point there (although I still would not see this as a day one necessity). Now can I get hired? ;)


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Played it a little early this morning all I can say right now is I like look of the area. Don't want to say anything else without spoilers.



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Question, would you want to hear anything about it in spoilers? I don't want to upset anyone.

if ya put it in spoiler....its fine . But I dont wanna hear about it..and that goes for Life is Strange ! No Spoiler ! I dont have the new episode !!  :lol: 



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If anything developers, publishers and gamers all share equal parts of the blame. You really can't blame one side without ignoring the others. 

 

And you can't treat any one of those groups like they're a single entity. When the world becomes as simple as gamers are stupid, developers are lazy and publishers are evil, no one is going to find a solution to anything.

 

 

*sigh*

who the hell else are we supposed to side eye when these not okay things happen? i didn't make the game. they did. and it's not an us against them mentality to me it's right vs wrong. and everytime they muck up, we're not supposed to say anything? i ain't no sheep bruh. real world or otherwise. and i don't like feeling like i've been played. that's how EYE feel. that's why I'm disappointed.

 

You're right to be disappointed, and right to speak out. I'm disappointed as well.

 

But so much of the discourse at this stage is people second guessing how developers should make games, when they know nothing about it. People accusing developers of withholding content when they have no proof.

 

It becomes this rolling storm. We aren't talking about BioWare releasing a lackluster DLC anymore we're talking about how the whole industry is in jeopardy because lazy devs are holding out on us and digital distribution is ruining publisher investment in good support.

 

And in that we've lost specific instances of what's good and bad, analysis and feedback has been replaced simple negativity.



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in your opinion. i think that needs to be denoted. all of my complaints tie into the large picture. one issue effects the other which is why the nature of the complaints change. i kinda don't like where this is heading so i'll stop there.

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So any sera info/jokes in the dlc?

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And you can't treat any one of those groups like they're a single entity. When the world becomes as simple as gamers are stupid, developers are lazy and publishers are evil, no one is going to find a solution to anything.

 

The solution is for people to demand more from developers, publishers and let their money do the talking. As a paying customer you have every right to demand better service and product from a company. Also, a company is not going to make any positive changes tell the negative changes they have made effect their bottom line. That simply how business works. A company like Comcast or Wal-Mart is not going to change their negative business practices if they are continuing to turn a major profit with them in place. Same with major publishers and developers.

 

There is already a partial solution on the developer and publisher side of things a well. id software and many other develops have a "When it's done" policy when it comes to release dates. They don't even bother putting out a release date on  a game tell they have had enough time to fully developed the game and made sure it's free of any major issues. Many of these developers refuse to partner with a publisher who is not willing to accept this kind of development practice. 


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Hi Seranaders, how is everyone? I see the new DLC is getting some flak from people. Meh, as long as it provides a couple hours of play I will probably buy it.

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There is already a partial solution on the developer and publisher side of things a well. id software and many other develops have a "When it's done" policy when it comes to release dates. They don't even bother putting out a release date on  a game tell they have had enough time to fully developed the game and made sure it's free of any major issues. Many of these developers refuse to partner with a publisher who is not willing to accept this kind of development practice. 

 

Sometimes it's not that simple and only partner with publishers because they have the money

 

That's why only some developers do the "when it's done" route 



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Wake me up when there's new Sera banter or interaction.

 

Not going to get the dlc tbh, for the moment.


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#92449
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Sometimes it's not that simple and only partner with publishers because they have the money

 

That's why only some developers do the "when it's done" route 

Then you take a lower paying contract with a publisher who is willing to accept the when its done apprach and work to make up the difference in crowed funding. Their are always ways to make something work. You just have to be willing to find them and put some extra work in if need be. 



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I am sure if you managed to get a developer to comment on it they'd say something like:

 

"It's a vast new area/map that is as big as other areas of the game. A lot of time goes into creating each area of the game which is not something I am sure most fans appreciate. You'll have to take my word for it. We don't feel it's over the market price for the content, replayable content I might add, that it offers the players."

 

He or she would have something of a point there (although I still would not see this as a day one necessity). Now can I get hired? ;)

Sure. Just like developpers don't appreciate the time and effort that went into earning the money I bought the game with. When you make a product, hype it up and ultimately can't deliver on your promises, don't whine when people complain. You brought it on yourself.


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