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#94376
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There's the Well of Sorrows and the creature that gets out of it to cover the party's excape; Sera might have caught a glimps of it.

 

But the well basically just sits there being moody and ambient until someone gets into and it explodes. Then other stuff explodes and everyone runs through the mirror*. I mean that might be proof of something but stuff magically explodes all the time around Sera.

 

I could well be missing something because I sort of lost focus at this point in the game but it seems to me that Sera is reacting to something we learn as players but she doesn't.

 

 

*Amazingly, the mirror doesn't explode.



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But the well basically just sits there being moody and ambient until someone gets into and it explodes. Then other stuff explodes and everyone runs through the mirror*. I mean that might be proof of something but stuff magically explodes all the time around Sera.

 

I could well be missing something because I sort of lost focus at this point in the game but it seems to me that Sera is reacting to something we learn as players but she doesn't.

 

 

*Amazingly, the mirror doesn't explode.

It could very well be a case of writing not taking into account that npcs might not know what the player character knows.

 

I love your sarcasm, btw. :lol:



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Can you blame her though? Imagine if you got proof that God might actually exists, surely a lot of people would lose their cool and be in denial. Sera's reaction is very human and understandable, imho.

 

I guess the problem some people have is that there's no "well maybe" moment where the possibility isn't conceded. Even from the high-up perspective of the player, these crazy spirits are all starting to look the same to me. Spirits, demons, Solas, Flemeth. It's like a crazy supernatural mixer. What Thedas needs is these guys to just take care of them.

 

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Can you blame her though? Imagine if you got proof that God might actually exists, surely a lot of people would lose their cool and be in denial. Sera's reaction is very human and understandable, imho.

 

I don't blame her but I did have to lie to her. However I guess I might expect something a little less than "You know this is lies right?" To which the response should be "I saw what you saw. If you can't make heads or tails of it then why expect me to?"Her reaction just struck me as a bit extreme. Understandable but extreme. But denial can only last so long. It's a defense mechanism but eventually she has to confront the truth of what she saw. We just do not see that in this game I guess.



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It could very well be a case of writing not taking into account that npcs might not know what the player character knows.

 

It's not a big deal, games often have plot continuity issues because of how they're made. There's also a question of exactly what codex entries represent in world, and whether Inquisitor knows what player does either, but that's probably best left alone.

 

I don't like digesting lore through codex entries so basically missed all the BioWare kicking the Dalish while they're down (or whatever) until I noticed the forums being all giddy / exploding over it.

 

 

I love your sarcasm, btw. :lol:

 

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What Thedas needs is these guys to just take care of them.

 

Now that's a version of the Inquisition everyone could get behind.


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But denial can only last so long. It's a defense mechanism but eventually she has to confront the truth of what she saw. We just do not see that in this game I guess.

 

She will, though. Eventually. Just...she needs time. :P

(wish we could see that in game tho.... maybe in future DLC, pls)



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She will, though. Eventually. Just...she needs time. :P

(wish we could see that in game tho.... maybe in future DLC, pls)

 

I hope it's either in the Solas DLC that has to come or the next game and it has to be in game not a book or a comic (pay attention BioWare)! It's one of the unresolved plot threads of this game. My fear is they decide the character was too unpopular to do anything more with and that would be a shame. When people give her a real chance they usually (usually) come to like her from my observation.


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Out of curiosity, where is YourFunnyUncle? This thread isn't quite the same without him.



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He's in Mexico, as far as I know.


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Out of curiosity, where is YourFunnyUncle? This thread isn't quite the same without him.

 

He's in Mexico, as far as I know.

Yep. He's visiting his in-laws in Mexico. He should be back soon enough.



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I hope it's either in the Solas DLC that has to come or the next game and it has to be in game not a book or a comic (pay attention BioWare)! It's one of the unresolved plot threads of this game. My fear is they decide the character was too unpopular to do anything more with and that would be a shame. When people give her a real chance they usually (usually) come to like her from my observation.

 

Ugh, they better not. A Solas DLC would be a perfect chance for Sera to develop a little more since... y'know, it'll probably have to do with elven history. A little development won't kill Sera. 



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Ugh, they better not. A Solas DLC would be a perfect chance for Sera to develop a little more since... y'know, it'll probably have to do with elven history. A little development won't kill Sera. 

 

Agreed! I could almost wish that if that DLC happens (please make it so) that they make it mandatory that Sera is in the party however I realize that would not be likely (oh the storm here if they did that). :P



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Agreed! I could almost wish that if that DLC happens (please make it so) that they make it mandatory that Sera is in the party however I realize that would not be likely (oh the storm here if they did that). :P

Wouldn't that be impossible, given that you can kick her out?



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Wouldn't that be impossible, given that you can kick her out?

 

In this game yes. I was thinking more along the lines of a DLC story but I already conceded they would not do it. I was just saying it would be better if you had to take her along.



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 It'll be interesting to see whether DLC goes story heavy next to address criticisms or if it stays the Jaws of Hakkon course.

 

Agreed! I could almost wish that if that DLC happens (please make it so) that they make it mandatory that Sera is in the party however I realize that would not be likely (oh the storm here if they did that). :P

 

You have to play as Hawke, and take Sera and Tallis and Anders (who isn't dead, again) to go on  a mission which demands that you convert to the Qun so that you can kill Sandal. Then Anders blows up Ferelden while you're looking the other way. It'll be the most popular DLC ever!

 

 

Wouldn't that be impossible, given that you can kick her out?

 

They've ignored more terminal conditions of characters before. Though I wouldn't expect it.


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Wouldn't that be impossible, given that you can kick her out?

 

This shouldn't be an excuse imo. It should be a choice like: "If you have Sera, you'll get some bonus cutscenes with her in this dlc". It doesn't have to be mandatory.

 

Sera's development would fit perfectly in a dlc with Solas and elven history because apparently in the Jaws dlc she does indeed know some elven history.


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Also forgot to add: It'd be kinda unfair if say, Lavellan gets some closure with Solas only and not Lavellan with Sera as well, who broke up with her. There's some good potential here.

 

 

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Also forgot to add: It'd be kinda unfair if say, Lavellan gets some closure with Solas only and not Lavellan with Sera as well, who broke up with her. There's some good potential here.



That would be great but sadly it didn't seem like the game tracks that outcome. When I tried it, everything about her romance just seemed to reset and it's as if you had only been friends the whole time (you get the friendship version of Sera's talk after Cory is defeated). This is after telling you she doesn't want to he friends with you, lol.

Doing the elf breakup thing was tempting to me but it doesn't seem worth it and won't change much and the two will go on acting like nothing ever happened between them.

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I was confused a bit as well. She was talking about demons while I only saw a bunch of old elves and a magic swimming pool. It could be in reference to the figure coming out if the Well at the end (though I don't think Sera was in a position to see it).

That mission did confirm that elves had immortality since the sentinels had been alive all this time. Perhaps Sera is saying she believes this magical immortality is the work of demons? She also thinks that the Well itself is powered by demons so there's that as well.

 

Yes, maybe that's it. Or maybe she believes that the ancient elves themselves are in fact demons? Because that would explain their unnatural lifespan to her maybe.

I have a little problem with all of this though. Sera knows there's magic. She's afraid of it, but she acknowledges its existence. So why does she react to strongly, so surprised? Nothing about gods or ancient elves was actually proven. There's just a bunch of people who claim something, that's about it. And even if there had been prove, it's a world of magic. If you can accept magic, is the jump to "eternal living" really so hard? And since the gods were no gods but just powerful mages, as is suggested, she should rather be pleased.

I guess you are all right and it was something about the gods. But I just still don't think it was executed well, i.e. it doesn't make too much sense to me.

 

I'm a bit confused here as well, I know there were all kinds of revelations about the Elven pantheon in the Temple of Mythal, but I don't remember much of them in actual gameplay (that is not codices). I'm not sure what Sera was supposed to see that goes beyond the normal statutes and magic you see in in any Thedas ruins.

 

I agree that her reaction is supposed to be to proof of the Elven gods being legit though.

 

Yes, this is what I mean. There is not much to see. There's statues, a temple, a few guys who don't actually introduce themselves and our party only assumes it's ancient elves. And then they speak about gods and how they were in fact no actual "gods" or, when it comes to Mythal and Fen'Harel, how they were interpreted wrongly. That should not impress Sera much because she did not believe in Dalish lore to begin with.

The well might be something, but the issue is that somebody does drink from it, and it is somebody she knows. So there is no actual "need" to react so strongly. And the inquisitor does not seem to be part of her problem because she does not attack him/her implying s/he was the one lying (in case s/he drank from the well).

 

They've ignored more terminal conditions of characters before. Though I wouldn't expect it.

 

And in the end you can always make a DLC like Leliana's Song where you simply play Sera herself. I would love that.


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That would be great but sadly it didn't seem like the game tracks that outcome. When I tried it, everything about her romance just seemed to reset and it's as if you had only been friends the whole time (you get the friendship version of Sera's talk after Cory is defeated). This is after telling you she doesn't want to he friends with you, lol.

Doing the elf breakup thing was tempting to me but it doesn't seem worth it and won't change much and the two will go on acting like nothing ever happened between them.

 

They could add some dialogue/banter in dlc.

It's odd though, you get banter if you break up with say, IB and go with Sera. Same with others. The fact that the break up isn't mentioned in banter is kinda..... lame.



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They could add some dialogue/banter in dlc.

It's odd though, you get banter if you break up with say, IB and go with Sera. Same with others. The fact that the break up isn't mentioned in banter is kinda..... lame.

 

BioWare once again missing the bus on great emotional and narrative opportunities.  :rolleyes:



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BioWare once again missing the bus on great emotional and narrative opportunities.  :rolleyes:

 

Hence why it would be perfect opportunity to add some story into said dlc. If they'll do a Solas/elven history dlc, that is.



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Hence why it would be perfect opportunity to add some story into said dlc. If they'll do a Solas/elven history dlc, that is.

 

I don't see how they cannot. I mean they cliff-hangered the ending of this game. They've either got to release a story dlc in the next 10-12 months or it's going to be in the next game but putting it into the next game presents challenges if they keep with the intention to move north.



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They could add some dialogue/banter in dlc.
It's odd though, you get banter if you break up with say, IB and go with Sera. Same with others. The fact that the break up isn't mentioned in banter is kinda..... lame.


Well, to be fair, this specific breakup happens pretty late in the game so I wouldn't expect banter for it. I mostly expected the celebration talk to change.

IDK if there's banter if you break up with her earlier and go with another. I never heard mention of it. I didn't even know about the IB/Sera one you said something... I should look it up. I'm guessing IB isn't too unhappy?

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Wouldn't that be impossible, given that you can kick her out?

 

No, you get the content if she's in the party and no content if she's gone