And honestly reacting with offensive magic when someone is trying to ascertain whether or not you've been possessed seems like a bad decision. Which ok, sure I'm for people being able to make bad decisions, but I'm not convinced that would add more to what that scene is trying to do.
Guest_Stormheart83_*
Haha, right? Who needs an army when you have Sera.Attacking the woman who has Thousand Cuts in her arsenal, what could possibly go wrong?
Attacking the woman who has Thousand Cuts in her arsenal, what could possibly go wrong?
They're in a confined space, Sera would probably hit her head on the ceiling.
"That's my primary frustration with Sera"
Incorrect.
"That's my primary frustration with how they wrote Sera in that particular scene and with the dialogue options presented"
Accurate.
No, because that problem exists in a fair few other spots with Sera. That one scene was just an example.
Guest_Danielle100_*
Well, I finally got the rooftop cookies scene with my Josephine-romancing elf (I just can't get into a qunari as much, somehow; I'm tied closely to elves). And... honestly, it frustrates me even more, because I really like Sera in that scene and would love to be romancing her then, but I know that if I did that, it'd ultimately boil down to having to repudiate my own heritage to keep things going, and that's just not worth it...
You can avoid the conversation completely after the Arbor Wilds by not visiting Sera afterwards and just continuing on to the Cory fight. Could make it a little easier.
Doesn't that take out the stuff about dreams and love as well? I thought that came after that conversation.
But you do have a point... though I don't know if I want to replay the whole game again for that.
Guest_Danielle100_*
Doesn't that take out the stuff about dreams and love as well? I thought that came after that conversation.
But you do have a point... though I don't know if I want to replay the whole game again for that.
Haha, right? Who needs an army when you have Sera.
Yeah, it made me fall in love with the tempest archer rogue. Seriously killer build that one.
That usually comes before that conversation, no romance stuff happens after except the ending sequence which you still get. This was tested but I haven't tried it yet.
Well... now I feel silly. And indecisive again. Blargh.
Guest_Stormheart83_*
I really enjoy playing as an archer/assassin, but I'm biased because assassin is my favorite prestige class in D&D.Yeah, it made me fall in love with the tempest archer rogue. Seriously killer build that one.
Guest_Danielle100_*
Well... now I feel silly. And indecisive again. Blargh.
No, because that problem exists in a fair few other spots with Sera. That one scene was just an example.
Ah, so more like:
"That's my primary frustration with how they wrote Sera in the game and with most of the dialogue options presented. She doesn't do or say the things I want her to so that she will support my view of Thedas."
That's pretty much my take on your take on things. I can see it is frustrating for you... and for everyone who has to keep hearing it. Again. And again.
Guest_Stormheart83_*
Damnit, I'm out of likes. Will a box of cookies suffice?Ah, so more like:
"That's my primary frustration with how they wrote Sera in the game and with most of the dialogue options presented. She doesn't do or say the things I want her to so that she will support my view of Thedas."
That's pretty much my take on your take on things. I can see it is frustrating for you... and for everyone who has to keep hearing it. Again. And again.
Damnit, I'm out of likes. Will a box of cookies suffice?
Always! 
Ah, so more like:
"That's my primary frustration with how they wrote Sera in the game and with most of the dialogue options presented. She doesn't do or say the things I want her to so that she will support my view of Thedas."
That's pretty much my take on your take on things. I can see it is frustrating for you... and for everyone who has to keep hearing it. Again. And again.
No, my primary frustration is the inability to establish any kind of reasonable dialogue on the subject. Something that this conversation seems to be mirroring.
Guest_Stormheart83_*
No, my primary frustration is the inability to establish any kind of reasonable dialogue on the subject. Something that this conversation seems to be mirroring.
I think we've all learned by now that, sadly, you are pretty much on your own in this. Based upon the things you like in the setting and what you want from the games, it is not very likely that those things will ever come together in some kind of wonderful conjunction of everything you like to give you the game you've always wanted.
And I fear you are never going to get any kind of dialogue on this, reasonable or otherwise, if only because the game is bloody done and it's not going to change now to suit you or anyone else.
No, my primary frustration is the inability to establish any kind of reasonable dialogue on the subject. Something that this conversation seems to be mirroring.
In fact, let's start a dialogue here: is there anything at all you do actually like about Sera?
I think we've all learned by now that, sadly, you are pretty much on your own in this. Based upon the things you like in the setting and what you want from the games, it is not very likely that those things will ever come together in some kind of wonderful conjunction of everything you like to give you the game you've always wanted.
And I fear you are never going to get any kind of dialogue on this, reasonable or otherwise, if only because the game is bloody done and it's not going to change now to suit you or anyone else.
It did in DA2. It wasn't perfect, but it aligned with a heck of a lot.
In fact, let's start a dialogue here: is there anything at all you do actually like about Sera?
If there wasn't, I wouldn't be nearly so frustrated. In fact, I like her a lot. I like her commitment to the downtrodden, I like her passion, I usually like her sense of humor, and I like her flashes of insight. It's just that the one thing I mainly dislike clashes horribly with my main Inquisitor.
It did in DA2. It wasn't perfect, but it aligned with a heck of a lot.
Interesting. What aspects of that game did you find most satisfactory?
If there wasn't, I wouldn't be nearly so frustrated. In fact, I like her a lot. I like her commitment to the downtrodden, I like her passion, I usually like her sense of humor, and I like her flashes of insight. It's just that the one thing I mainly dislike clashes horribly with my main Inquisitor.
That, as they say, is life. Sometimes people just can't stay together whatever they might have in common. Frustrating, but true to life at least.
Went back to see what the trenches were for, and I'm still not sure but anyway:
I actually don't really have a problem with that. What I do have a problem with is being unable to adequately react to it, because that kind of thing would absolutely warrant a defensive posture and possibly a bit of offensive magic if one happens to be a mage. That's my primary frustration with Sera, a major one with Vivienne, and probably something fueling a hell of a lot of the hatedom: you can't do anything about it.
I feel that's a common problem with most of the companion arcs. A Woman Who Wants For Nothing basically assumes that an Inquisitor doesn't have an idea, is okay with running around asking everyone for advice on Sera* and telling them about the relationship, and doesn't provide an alternative for progressing the relationship.
It comes to a head in the post Mythal break up thing, were the options are fairly flimsy for a Dalishy Dalish.
*I mean, what were you expecting Solas to suggest?
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Lavellan deserves some kind of nerves of steel award for staring Sera down and not reacting though. That girl has ice for blood.
Guest_Danielle100_*
Ah, so more like:
"That's my primary frustration with how they wrote Sera in the game and with most of the dialogue options presented. She doesn't do or say the things I want her to so that she will support my view of Thedas."
That's pretty much my take on your take on things. I can see it is frustrating for you... and for everyone who has to keep hearing it. Again. And again.
Interesting. What aspects of that game did you find most satisfactory?
Merrill, but really, the characterization job for everyone in that game was quite a bit better than the games before and after. That was the biggest plus for me.
That, as they say, is life. Sometimes people just can't stay together whatever they might have in common. Frustrating, but true to life at least.
Many things exist in life that don't have to be repeated in video games.
To be fair Rel, many lesbians were looking forward to playing as an elf and having the first lesbian DA character being so negative towards elf inquisitors was a rather rude awakening. Before the game came out it was thought that this could happen with nobles but actually she has no issues with a noble, even with the explanations that people have given it still doesn't sit well with me. Every one wants to feel the same enjoyment that someone who plays qunari feels, the feeling of being left out, right or wrong is still going to be there. Sometimes it still bothers me to think that Sera can't possibly care for my inquisitors as much as others but what's my choice playing a character I don't want to play, romancing someone else or romancing no one. Not the best situation for an elfy lesbian. I can handle the divisive nature of the character but do you remember how excited some people were before the game came out, truly excited to play as an elf, I'm sure it annoyed some who wanted to play as a different race.
I still remember a post where someone let there frustrations out after the game released, taking a shot at people who enjoyed playing as an elf. It bothered me so much that I had no desire to play as a qunari or even look at one again. It's no fun being the one that's being shitted on, to be fair I have other issues with playing qunari, just due to my height and situation but that's another story. I've been able to enjoy Sera but I still have feels for those that struggle or were disappointed with what happened, as I was disappointed also.
It is a shame she ended up being so divisive 
I guess having Sera get on well with any Inquisitrix would've been best all round, but I would imagine that once the writers thought of her liking one race more than another that opened the door to her liking one of them less, for whatever reason, or maybe it was the other way round. Presumably Sera having a problem with Dalish Quizzys generated a higher BioWare Angst Factor or something. These things should never be easy or straightforward, after all.
I have heard it said quite a few times that maybe they should've saved the more contentious lesbian for a later DA game instead of bringing that in with the first, but then I would imagine there would be unhappy people whatever they did.
I think DA games (i.e BioWare) could do with kicking elf characters in the teeth a lot less than they currently do and leave it to the idiots in the game to do it instead! At least we can hit them with swords/shoot them full of arrows/burn them with a fireball and feel better for it!
(I was going to play a female elf as my Inquisitrix before I opted for qunari... I kind of feel like I avoided a pit trap there 
and inadvertently picked the 'better' option 
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Lavellan deserves some kind of nerves of steel award for staring Sera down and not reacting though. That girl has ice for blood.
No kidding.
Merrill, but really, the characterization job for everyone in that game was quite a bit better than the games before and after. That was the biggest plus for me.
Many things exist in life that don't have to be repeated in video games.
DA2 companions got more face time I believe, which would help.
I think the fact that you know them for 7 years helps as well. It's easier to show someone like Isabela change/grow when it's happening over a long time span. If the game was only over the course of a year, Isabela couldn't have had that growth.
I just don't think the change and/or growth you're looking for is realistic in the short timespan the PC knows Sera. She can change a bit but if you want something more significant...I think that might take longer.
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