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What bothers me about the mod is when people call it the "canon" Sera

 

 

 

The term dark skinned itself is vague, I've seen some shots of Briala in the game and she looks similar to my skin tone

 

Looks more like a lighting issue to me

 

Probably.

 

Seriously, that Sera concept looks like an elven Yolandi Visser from Die Antwoord.

 

If BW didn't had issues with long hair..... that look suits her as well.



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Well I guess if it's OK to link to naked Varric, then it's OK to link to naked Sera, no?
 
Edit: For the avoidance of doubt, the above links are NSFW...


The end of that scene where Sera is on the floor is one of my favorite scenes in Sera's romance. I love how Quizzy looks over the side of the bed at her and no matter which dialogue option you pick, Sera says something funny/suggestive and pulls her off the bed. "I'll show you coming together." I almost spat out my drink at that one. Lol.
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Seriously, that Sera concept looks like an elven Yolandi Visser from Die Antwoord.

*Googles*

 

I see what you mean, but she totally stole her hairstyle from Dave Hill of Slade...

 

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The end of that scene where Sera is on the floor is one of my favorite scenes in Sera's romance. I love how Quizzy looks over the side of the bed at her and no matter which dialogue option you pick, Sera says something funny/suggestive and pulls her off the bed. "I'll show you coming together." I almost spat out my drink at that one. Lol.

 

She even guessed my qunari's snarky response: "A demand of your qun!". I lost it.


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If we're going there, then I'm quite a fan of this image here, to be honest.  Especially when you consider that this is what she's looking at.... <3


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She even guessed my qunari's snarky response: "A demand of your qun!". I lost it.


One of the many reasons I can never resist romancing Sera. She is just so awesome. I think there is also a line about dwarf Quizzy being too short.

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If we're going there, then I'm quite a fan of this image here, to be honest.  Especially when you consider that this is what she's looking at.... <3

I decided against using pics from that scene with Tressa's face, in order to make the ones I posted more generally applicable, but I do have some...


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I decided against using pics from that scene with Tressa's face, in order to make the ones I posted more generally applicable, but I do have some...

 

There is that, but, well, Sera  likes qunari, so... :D



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There is that, but, well, Sera  likes qunari, so... :D

Meh. She likes elves just fine if you treat her right... ;)

 

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Meh. She likes elves just fine if you treat her right... ;)
 
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I like the Sera and Lavellan pairing. It has the potential for lots of angst, but it's also very sweet. I like the conversation after the well of sorrows. It shows that Sera is really scared of losing Quizzy because she 'isn't elfy enough' for her. I know lots of people dont like that scene for many reasons, but I just love how they did that scene. Sera is clearly distressed and seeking reassurance that she is more important to Lavellan than some elfy gods that may not have actually been gods at all.
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I like the Sera and Lavellan pairing. It has the potential for lots of angst, but it's also very sweet. I like the conversation after the well of sorrows. It shows that Sera is really scared of losing Quizzy because she 'isn't elfy enough' for her. I know lots of people dont like that scene for many reasons, but I just love how they did that scene. Sera is clearly distressed and seeking reassurance that she is more important to Lavellan than some elfy gods that may not have actually been gods at all.

 

From seeing some of those discussions I really wish more people would see that conversation this way.


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I like the Sera and Lavellan pairing. It has the potential for lots of angst, but it's also very sweet. I like the conversation after the well of sorrows. It shows that Sera is really scared of losing Quizzy because she 'isn't elfy enough' for her. I know lots of people dont like that scene for many reasons, but I just love how they did that scene. Sera is clearly distressed and seeking reassurance that she is more important to Lavellan than some elfy gods that may not have actually been gods at all.

I recognise the problems that people have with that scene, and I don't want to play them down, but for Tressa she'd pretty much abandoned her faith in the elven gods at that point, so even though she thought that they were probably neither gods nor demons but some other powerful magical creatures, she wasn't about to argue with Sera over semantics...



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From seeing some of those discussions I really wish more people would see that conversation this way.


I find that a lot of people dont read into the subtext of that scene. They tend to only see what is on the surface. If you look at body language and the tone of her voice, it is pretty clear that the scene is more complex than what is on the surface. Lots of people think that it is about Sera trying to get Inky to give up her beliefs in order to be with her, but I think it has more to do with the fact that she is afraid of losing Lavellan. It is kind of like the confession scene, but she is afraid of losing her because of her faith rather than to death. I think it would probably hurt Sera just as much if not more to lose her because of 'elfy stuff'
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Will this do?
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Yes, yes it does. Thanks Cat :-)

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I find that a lot of people dont read into the subtext of that scene. They tend to only see what is on the surface. If you look at body language and the tone of her voice, it is pretty clear that the scene is more complex than what is on the surface. Lots of people think that it is about Sera trying to get Inky to give up her beliefs in order to be with her, but I think it has more to do with the fact that she is afraid of losing Lavellan. It is kind of like the confession scene, but she is afraid of losing her because of her faith rather than to death. I think it would probably hurt Sera just as much if not more to lose her because of 'elfy stuff'

Hmmm... I've seen a bit of that but the complaint I've seen in this thread more often is that you don't have an option to tell her that your faith is personal and that you'd never let it damage your relationship. You can't say something along the lines of  "I get that you are scared that my faith will tear us apart, but I promise you that it never will. I will always respect your right to believe differently to me." It seems like a false dichotomy of options just for the sake of drama - break up with her or agree with her statement that the elven gods are rubbish, and nothing in between is possible. You can of course read the scene as Sera knowing that you're lying but taking your lie as proof that she is more important than your faith, but that does a disservice to those who are RPing true lack of faith as I did...


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If we're going there, then I'm quite a fan of this image here, to be honest.  Especially when you consider that this is what she's looking at.... <3

 

I never realized how much muscle female Adaar has got until now. 



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I never realized how much muscle female Adaar has got until now. 

Considerably more than me. That's why I prefer to play elves, I think...


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Hmmm... I've seen a bit of that but the complaint I've seen in this thread more often is that you don't have an option to tell her that your faith is personal and that you'd never let it damage your relationship. You can't say something along the lines of  "I get that you are scared that my faith will tear us apart, but I promise you that it never will. I will always respect your right to believe differently to me." It seems like a false dichotomy of options just for the sake of drama - break up with her or agree with her statement that the elven gods are rubbish, and nothing in between is possible. You can of course read the scene as Sera knowing that you're lying but taking your lie as proof that she is more important than your faith, but that does a disservice to those who are RPing true lack of faith as I did...


I wish that you could discuss your doubts with her if you are roleplaying as an elf who doesn't really believe in elven gods. There is a line where you say that maybe it is true, but she just reacts like you are telling her that you believe it completely. I think there should have been some middle ground. Something to let her know that you wouldn't leave her or want her to be more 'elfy' would have been great.

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I like the Sera and Lavellan pairing. It has the potential for lots of angst, but it's also very sweet. I like the conversation after the well of sorrows. It shows that Sera is really scared of losing Quizzy because she 'isn't elfy enough' for her. I know lots of people dont like that scene for many reasons, but I just love how they did that scene. Sera is clearly distressed and seeking reassurance that she is more important to Lavellan than some elfy gods that may not have actually been gods at all.

It's a completely false dilemma that Sera invents out of nowhere because she can't handle existential doubt properly.

 

I find that a lot of people dont read into the subtext of that scene. They tend to only see what is on the surface. If you look at body language and the tone of her voice, it is pretty clear that the scene is more complex than what is on the surface. Lots of people think that it is about Sera trying to get Inky to give up her beliefs in order to be with her, but I think it has more to do with the fact that she is afraid of losing Lavellan. It is kind of like the confession scene, but she is afraid of losing her because of her faith rather than to death. I think it would probably hurt Sera just as much if not more to lose her because of 'elfy stuff'

There is nothing to fear losing Lavellan for. Even Mythal's geas isn't demanding that Lavellan break up with Sera. There's no reason in any hell or earth that Lavellan would go off and dump Sera because of getting whacked with the evidence bat regarding the Creators except in Sera's own damn mind.



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Very pretty!

Why, thank you! She's yet another one of my protagonists that I want to date... 43407.gif
It would be dangerous to get me into a room with my Warden, my Hawke, and my Quizzy.. I would likely be declared missing after a week or two! 80463.gif



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It's a completely false dilemma that Sera invents out of nowhere because she can't handle existential doubt properly.

 

There is nothing to fear losing Lavellan for. Even Mythal's geas isn't demanding that Lavellan break up with Sera. There's no reason in any hell or earth that Lavellan would go off and dump Sera because of getting whacked with the evidence bat regarding the Creators except in Sera's own damn mind.

 

Actually her dream about you dying has the same base reasoning. So at least it makes sense for Sera to be so dramatic about it.

My only problem with that scene is the lack of options, at least with the other races you could still chose the heart and be with her without comprising your values. It is spat but no one "wins" it is better drama than the Lavellan puppy eyes or break up.


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What's this? Is there a mod that "fixes" Sera's alleged "whitewashing"?

 

wat



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Briala has dark skin and was indeed whitewashed in game. You can see her in the official art under.

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Sera personally is more a fence thing for me since the canon comes from the first time she appears, which is in game. So I really do not see it has whitewashing, more like an artistic decision to avoid more social drama and analogies with real life but people have every right to want to mod it or seeing it as that.


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Briala has dark skin and was indeed whitewashed in game. You can see her in the official art under.

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Sera personally is more a fence thing for me since the canon comes from the first time she appears, which is in game. So I really do not see it has whitewashing, more like an artistic decision to avoid more social drama and analogies with real life but people have every right to want to mod it or seeing it as that.

 

Had trouble finding her... Had to go character by character. Funnily enough, I think I could name every single character on that picture.

Does that say anything about me?



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Now I have to start playing with Aidan (My Cassmancing Rogue) again. Must get this banter...

 

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