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[WildOrchid]

If we're going there, then I'm quite a fan of this image here, to be honest.  Especially when you consider that this is what she's looking at....

 

Bruh.... 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Nice doodling...

 

 

 

Source.

[Bowie Hawkins]

It's a completely false dilemma that Sera invents out of nowhere because she can't handle existential doubt properly.

 

It's nothing of the sort, though. The Chantry teaches that the Maker is the only god, and Sera is a devout believer in Andraste because Andrastianism has shown her a level of acceptance that the Dalish never did. The dilemma is very real because the Elven religion and Andrastianism are mutually contradictory, and just like how she was terrified of the Inquisitor abandoning her by dying in the scene about the dream, she's even more terrified that the Inquisitor is going to abandon her for a set of gods that have no place or use for her. 

[Rel Fexive]

I never realized how much muscle female Adaar has got until now. 

 

There's a reason the word 'amazon' gets thrown around alot where female qunari are concerned!

[Mihura]

It's nothing of the sort, though. The Chantry teaches that the Maker is the only god, and Sera is a devout believer in Andraste because Andrastianism has shown her a level of acceptance that the Dalish never did. The dilemma is very real because the Elven religion and Andrastianism are mutually contradictory, and just like how she was terrified of the Inquisitor abandoning her by dying in the scene about the dream, she's even more terrified that the Inquisitor is going to abandon her for a set of gods that have no place or use for her. 

 

But that kinda proves Xilizhra Point no? it is something that is personal for Sera and that touches her way of seeing the world and not something a devoted to the elven gods brings up with her actions. Your character can for example support the templars and even believe that the Chantry and Circles need to be rebuild, or even believe in both religions. Cassandra even ask you if there is one more space in your pantheon of gods to worship the maker.

So it is kinda a false dilemma or at least, a one side dilemma that comes from her insecurities and not really something that the Inquisitor ever hints at.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I don't think that Sera is by any stretch of the imagination "devout." She believes in Andraste, but she's not sure that a lot of Chantry teaching is any more than legend, and actually the fact that it might be scares her, hence her first conversation with you on reaching Skyhold. Also her banters with Iron Bull show that her faith is at best a conflicted and contradictory one.

 

I think that her mistrust of the Dalish and by extension their religion comes from much more than just her Andrastean faith, such as it is...

[Mihura]

I don't think that Sera is by any stretch of the imagination "devout." She believes in Andraste, but she's not sure that a lot of Chantry teaching is any more than legend, and actually the fact that it might be scares her, hence her first conversation with you on reaching Skyhold. Also her banters with Iron Bull show that her faith is at best a conflicted and contradictory one.

 

I think that her mistrust of the Dalish and by extension their religion comes from much more than just her Andrastean faith, such as it is...

 

Hum it would made sense but there is no actual dialogue in game to support that, I think? That is one of my biggest problems with her arc in general, in the end you really know nothing about Sera past or experiences, only the cookie story. Hope they improve this in the future. 

[YourFunnyUncle]

Hum it would made sense but there is no actual dialogue in game to support that, I think? That is one of my biggest problems with her arc in general, in the end you really know nothing about Sera past or experiences, only the cookie story. Hope they improve this in the future. 

While I'd love to know more specifics about her past, I disagree.

 

Sera dislikes the divisions on theodosian society, and she clearly wants everyone to be treated the same. In particular she doesn't like Elves being singled out as different. She wants equality for all, that much is abundantly clear. The Dalish treasure their history their culture, and are proud to be different from the rest of Thedas. She sees them as reinforcing elven difference from everyone else for what amounts in her eyes to no good reason, as she can't see the point of getting excited by ancient ruins and forgotten magic. That's where her dislike of the Dalish springs from in the main, I think. The difference of religion is just a sub-set of bigger issues.

 

An example of this attitude when applied to city elves instead of the Dalish would be her distaste for the vehnadahl trees, which she sees as a similarly useless bit of holding onto the past and reinforcing elven difference for no good reason.

[Mihura]

While I'd love to know more specifics about her past, I disagree.

 

Sera dislikes the divisions on theodosian society, and she clearly wants everyone to be treated the same. In particular she doesn't like Elves being singled out as different. She wants equality for all, that much is abundantly clear. The Dalish treasure their history their culture, and are proud to be different from the rest of Thedas. She sees them as reinforcing elven difference from everyone else for what amounts in her eyes to no good reason, as she can't see the point of getting excited by ancient ruins and forgotten magic. That's where her dislike of the Dalish springs from in the main, I think. The difference of religion is just a sub-set of bigger issues.

 

An example of this attitude when applied to city elves instead of the Dalish would be her distaste for the vehnadahl trees, which she sees as a similarly useless bit of holding onto the past and reinforcing elven difference for no good reason.

I have to disagree I think Sera just want things to return to normal, Sera does not want a revolution on civil rights, she is a reactionary not a social changer. 
 

I meant prove from an empirical source, maybe she had a bad experience with the dalish? Sera never says anything about that, her "I am not elfy enough for you" in the break up is kinda empty without context, it could as well being something a city elf said to her. I just cannot empathize with it, without more information.

As for the rest it is kinda generalizing no? not all clans feel that way or act like that, it is like saying the Avvar are not equal to the lowlanders because they preserve past costume and are proud of it. Again it is something Sera assumes that the Elven Inquisitor feels or thinks, to me it comes back to her insecurities and not really other people's cultures.

[YourFunnyUncle]

I have to disagree I think Sera just want things to return to normal, Sera does not want a revolution on civil rights, she is a reactionary not a social changer.

I meant prove from an empirical source, maybe she had a bad experience with the dalish? Sera never says anything about that, her "I am not elfy enough for you" in the break up is kinda empty without context, it could as well being something a city elf said to her. I just cannot empathize with it, without more information.

As for the rest it is kinda generalizing no? not all clans feel that way or act like that, it is like saying the Avvar are not equal to the lowlanders because they preserve past costume and are proud of it. Again it is something Sera assumes that the Elven Inquisitor feels or thinks, to me it comes back to her insecurities and not really other people's cultures.

You misunderstand me on two levels. First I don't think that she believess that she can achieve change with Red Jenny. Her conversations with Solas show that. She just thinks that everyone should be equal, not that she can make it happen. She knows that all revolution tends to achieve is replacing one elite with another.

That said, I think she sees that the Inquisition as truly shaking things up and joining as a way to influence the next elite to at least take the little people into consideration A little more. It's why she's pleased to "get in early".

I'm sure her underlying motivation is selfish in that she hates that she's been born into a station in life and not being able to easily escape it. It may also be that she's had run-ins with specific Dalish in the past - there are hints in her outburst after Mythal that maybe she has, and as I say Id love to find out more details.

Secondly you seem to be picking holes in her world-view as though I believe it and can't see its flaws. I never said that she was right. I think her views, while laudable in some ways, lack subtlety and an appreciation the variety of outlooks within the Dalish in particular and Thedas In general. She seems focused on things that impact her life in the cities of Thedas, and not wider differences in culture such as the Avvar that you mention.

I 100%, agree that she's making massive assumptions about Lavellan, and that it comes from her insecurities. I think that the whole worldview I've described comes in large part from her insecurities, although I do believe that she has genuine compassion for the downtrodden, and of course as a city elf she has plenty to feel insecure about...

All I'm saying (if we get back to my original post) is that her actions in the game are consistent with the attitude that I've described, and not merely Andrastean faith.

[YourFunnyUncle]

(Hit quote instead of edit. Bloody mobile site...)

I guess while I have this space I should reiterate that while I think that Sera is a great character and love her romance, I do not agree with everything she says or think that she is without fault. Far from it. I could say similar for my loves from DAI, Morrigan and Leliana. In fact I don't think I 100% agree with any of the DA companions. I'm not the sort of fan who unquestioningly defends their favourite character. I just seek to understand and appreciate them.

[Aimi]

she is a reactionary not a social changer.

lol

[KaiserShep]

I have to disagree I think Sera just want things to return to normal, Sera does not want a revolution on civil rights, she is a reactionary not a social changer. 
 

I meant prove from an empirical source, maybe she had a bad experience with the dalish? Sera never says anything about that, her "I am not elfy enough for you" in the break up is kinda empty without context, it could as well being something a city elf said to her. I just cannot empathize with it, without more information.

As for the rest it is kinda generalizing no? not all clans feel that way or act like that, it is like saying the Avvar are not equal to the lowlanders because they preserve past costume and are proud of it. Again it is something Sera assumes that the Elven Inquisitor feels or thinks, to me it comes back to her insecurities and not really other people's cultures.

 

In fairness, when she talks about things being "normal", she's talking about the magical cataclysm that's devastating everything. Relative to Corypheshite's red lyrium madness and assaulting the heavens and the big green hole leading straight to hell, stuff like dealing with pompous nobles and the abusive elite are "simple problems". At least there, you don't have to worry about sliding down the gullet of some ancient evil thing.

[Beba]

Hello everyone, I could use some help with Sera's romance...well, I wouldn't think I'll ever be asking this question   . I romanced Sera twice with my Adaars and recently started Elfy Elf PT. I decided to go in the footsteps of my last Adaar, because I'm curious how different it will be with Lavellan. We allied with Templars, cleared Hinterlands, went to Exalted Plains to get specialization (both Adaar and Lavellan are Rift Mages) and now I'm about to get my Lavellan's Elfy butt to Crestwood and here is the thing: I already did Verchiel March (Sera didn't kill noble guy) and after this my Adaar got pranks, cookies, started the relationship with Sera and also got "A Woman Who Wants for Nothing", even before Crestwood. It happened really quickly. My poor Lavellan got only pranks scene and nothing. However when we checked on Sera I clicked  "I'm interested in you". Mind you, I was checking this option quite often with Lavellan and Sera was always like: "Bleh, not yet"  I thought it won't be different this time, but to my great surprise she said OK. But we still didn't get a cookie scene  ! So I wonder, do you think  I'll be able to get it later, even when my Lavellan and Sera are already in relationship? I have the feeling I messed it out... I'd be greatful for any advice...Because everyone deserves a cookie, right? I love all my Adaars, but I think Lavellan deserves it even more  .

[Aimi]

Qunari get more approval from Sera flirts than anybody else, and elves get less approval from same. So doing the same things as an elf that you did as a qunari will move you along the romance path more slowly. Many people who play elves that romance Sera like to unlock all of the areas and visit them solely to do the conversation with Harding at the beginning, because Sera gives approval for flirting with Harding (even in a romance) - it's a relatively easy way to stack a lot of approval. Y'know, if you're okay with that RP and whatnot.

You still should be getting a cookie scene at some point.

[Beba]

Qunari get more approval from Sera flirts than anybody else, and elves get less approval from same. So doing the same things as an elf that you did as a qunari will move you along the romance path more slowly. Many people who play elves that romance Sera like to unlock all of the areas and visit them solely to do the conversation with Harding at the beginning, because Sera gives approval for flirting with Harding (even in a romance) - it's a relatively easy way to stack a lot of approval. Y'know, if you're okay with that RP and whatnot.

You still should be getting a cookie scene at some point.

Thank you Aimi . I know about the approval thing. I'm worried I kinda skipped "bonding" rooftop scene, because my Lavellan and Sera already started their relationship. This also prevents my girl from flirting with Harding. Which is very sad, I really enjoyed it with Lavellan:P . 

[YourFunnyUncle]

You took a big approval hit by allying with he Templars instead of disbanding, so you still need to earn approval back. As Aimi said, flirting with Harding helps, as does seeking out the various Red Jenny caches. There are various other things that you can do to gain approval, so you should still be able to advance the relationship.

 

The wiki can help... http://dragonage.wik...i/Sera/Approval

[Xilizhra]

It's nothing of the sort, though. The Chantry teaches that the Maker is the only god, and Sera is a devout believer in Andraste because Andrastianism has shown her a level of acceptance that the Dalish never did. The dilemma is very real because the Elven religion and Andrastianism are mutually contradictory, and just like how she was terrified of the Inquisitor abandoning her by dying in the scene about the dream, she's even more terrified that the Inquisitor is going to abandon her for a set of gods that have no place or use for her. 

But... well, for one thing, Sera isn't really all that devout; she never considered most of the backstory of the Blight, or even necessarily the Maker, to be actually true, until she was forced to consider it by Corypheus. For another, the religions aren't actually inherently incompatible; Ameridan fuses them just fine. For a third thing, Sera evidently didn't care about the Inquisitor's religion until this showed up, and still doesn't care about being with a Stone-worshiping dwarf or an atheist qunari.

[jlb524]

Thank you Aimi . I know about the approval thing. I'm worried I kinda skipped "bonding" rooftop scene, because my Lavellan and Sera already started their relationship. This also prevents my girl from flirting with Harding. Which is very sad, I really enjoyed it with Lavellan:P .

The rooftop scene seems to have a pretty high approval gate to unlock and you can start the romance before that (which is where you're at).

I found that the only time I had all Sera's scenes unlock quick was when I conscripted the templars (even with an elf). I usually ally with the mages and that's a big approval hit that takes a bit to make up for.

[Beba]

You took a big approval hit by allying with he Templars instead of disbanding, so you still need to earn approval back. As Aimi said, flirting with Harding helps, as does seeking out the various Red Jenny caches. There are various other things that you can do to gain approval, so you should still be able to advance the relationship.

 

The wiki can help... http://dragonage.wik...i/Sera/Approval

Thank you Uncle. Unfortunately, there are no flirt options with Harding for my Lavellan, because of the relationship with Sera I guess .

I knew this won't be easy and all fluffy and nice with Lavellan, especially with allied Templars and mage Lavellan   . Still, I really love completely different feeling from the romance. Saradaar feels like very ... powerful and passionate couple. Yes, I miss "woof" little bit, but I'd dare to say I prefer this slower way of building the relationship I can see in Sera x Lavellan's story. It feels little bit shy, awkward, unsure, also cute and sweet, you know, like any other new relationship  . I like it  .

[Beba]

The rooftop scene seems to have a pretty high approval gate to unlock and you can start the romance before that (which is where you're at).

I found that the only time I had all Sera's scenes unlock quick was when I conscripted the templars (even with an elf). I usually ally with the mages and that's a big approval hit that takes a bit to make up for.

Yay, thank you .

[SardaukarElite]

I think I got the cookie scene after the romance started but I'm not sure. Having it unavailable while in the romance would be a strange decision.

 

There's a reason the word 'amazon' gets thrown around alot where female qunari are concerned!

 

Ancient Greek exaggeration?

[FemHawke FTW]

You're Sera x Lavellan relationship sounds like it's going to be adorable Beba. Cheers!

[YourFunnyUncle]

 

Thank you Uncle. Unfortunately, there are no flirt options with Harding for my Lavellan, because of the relationship with Sera I guess .

I knew this won't be easy and all fluffy and nice with Lavellan, especially with allied Templars and mage Lavellan   . Still, I really love completely different feeling from the romance. Saradaar feels like very ... powerful and passionate couple. Yes, I miss "woof" little bit, but I'd dare to say I prefer this slower way of building the relationship I can see in Sera x Lavellan's story. It feels little bit shy, awkward, unsure, also cute and sweet, you know, like any other new relationship  . I like it  .

 

I think if you can be happy with the way you make it through the post-Mythal scene, then it's a lovely relationship. I personally had no problems with that part as I was RPing a Lavellan who lost her faith, and I felt very satisfied with my playthrough (except for Vivienne becoming divine, but that's another story...).

[The Loyal Nub]

You took a big approval hit by allying with he Templars instead of disbanding, so you still need to earn approval back. As Aimi said, flirting with Harding helps, as does seeking out the various Red Jenny caches. There are various other things that you can do to gain approval, so you should still be able to advance the relationship.

 

The wiki can help... http://dragonage.wik...i/Sera/Approval

 

I think there is a hit to approval if you ally with the mages. I suspect Sera wants the Inquisition to be something new that restores order and stability. She might be suspicious of too much canoodling with the old order.