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[Sunnie]

They want emotional investment, yes?

 

The issue is that I hate the way she was implemented, and I think that she could have been really good, but the mark was badly missed in too many places.

What can you do about that though? Are you going to keep yelling at Sera, trying to make her understand? I have a feeling you are going to be driving yourself crazy over this for a very long time.

 

I might suggest, for some form of closure, that you send your feedback to BioWare in some form. Theres little or no chance that they will change anything, but at least you can get it off your chest and move on. And if that doesn't work, maybe take a step back from the game and focusing on something else may help.  I just hate to see someone getting so torn up over something so insignificant.

[WildOrchid]

I've never seen Sera as someone who believes in religions that much. She's probably one of those who believe a little and still can have doubts in some things, hence why she joined the Inquisition; to see if all this is true and the Herald is the person Andraste actually sent to save the world.

[Xilizhra]

What can you do about that though? Are you going to keep yelling at Sera, trying to make her understand? I have a feeling you are going to be driving yourself crazy over this for a very long time.

 

I might suggest, for some form of closure, that you send your feedback to BioWare in some form. Theres little or no chance that they will change anything, but at least you can get it off your chest and move on. And if that doesn't work, maybe take a step back from the game and focusing on something else may help.  I just hate to see someone getting so torn up over something so insignificant.

Well, that was the idea behind that RP idea I mentioned earlier.

 

In any case, I think Bioware knows already. I know nothing will change here and now, unless in some hypothetical elf history DLC involving tracking down Solas (and I'd love it if it did). What I'm most concerned about is giving feedback to the extent that it discourages Bioware from doing this again, if possible.

[WildOrchid]

I'm most concerned about is giving feedback to the extent that it discourages Bioware from doing this again, if possible.

 

 

If you are implying that BW should do characters that fit to your own views, i'd say: nah. They should totally do it again. Make a character that doesn't share the same beliefs as yours. More power to them, and more characters like Sera.

 

 

 

 

 

Edit: About time you posted here, Bigot.

[Bowie Hawkins]

With respect to the post-Mythal break-up scene, as we've discussed previously, and you even agreed, the religious beliefs are just part of a much broader set of motivations. Actually I'd argue that her lack of certainty is part of it. If elven gods are true, then the chantry is wrong, and the Dalish are right. So what if they're right about everything else? Then Sera's entire world-view comes crumbling down. Again her religious motivations are subordinate to her greater ones.

 

If you want to talk about people leaving off quotes and have those complaints really mean something, you really shouldn't have chosen to ignore what Sera says in the scene after you get back from the Well:

 

"There can't be a bunch of gods and the Maker. Don't matter how much or little you believe, those don't fit. So call me stupid, but I believe the stuff not made up by dead people who failed. Mythal is a ruin full of demons. I mean, it just makes sense, right?"

 

And I never denied that her religious beliefs are not her only motivation, but that's because it's totally irrelevant to the matter of whether her beliefs are devout or not. And the thing is that they are. She believes deeply in Andraste because Andraste can accept people like her in a way that the Dalish have shown her that they cannot.

[Xilizhra]

This is your opinion.

As is everything here. The instant I become a god and have everything I say become definite fact, I'll give myself a cool flaming font so you can tell the difference.

 

 

The way she was implemented, was intentional. This is how she was written, and the writers knew damn well that people are either going to love her or hate her.

Quite so. Problematically so, given her status as the only lesbian.

 

 

She's already perfect the way she is. I know a lot of people want to see some "character development" but I actually appreciate her "flaws" it's what makes her interesting. And honestly, I don't foresee a future DLC where she has a character development, or matures. She wasn't a major character, and was optional in recruiting. Also, judging by the amount of hatred she receives from fans, it's highly unlikely.

Then don't take the dialogue options that go that way if we do have a DLC on the subject, and everyone can be happy.

 

 

As stated above, I've been lurking. I've seen you come in here day after day, expressing that Sera should change to please you. Not gonna happen. You'd do well for yourself to move on.. you love elves? You love magic?

You had Merrill. BW doesn't create characters specifically to cater to you or anybody else. Romance is optional and takes up a small percentage of the content in game.

True, and there can only be one Merrill. But my problem is with the fact that they made the one lesbian companion a blatant controversy magnet who could be ejected from the party at any time. Had she not had that role, or had she not been the only lesbian, I wouldn't care.

 

 

If you are implying that BW should do characters that fit to your own views, i'd say: nah. They should totally do it again. Make a character that doesn't share the same beliefs as yours. More power to them, and more characters like Sera.

Then I can only hope that the rage of me and mine shines brighter.

[AresKeith]

Then I can only hope that the rage of me and mine shines brighter.

 

[WildOrchid]

And honestly, I don't foresee a future DLC where she has a character development, or matures. She wasn't a major character, and was optional in recruiting. Also, judging by the amount of hatred she receives from fans, it's highly unlikely.

 

Though i gotta say, that shouldn't be an excuce for them to not add some good Sera content in future dlcs. I want Sera. I want moar of her. She's too good of a character, a freshy one, to not be given proper attention bc some people hate her. A lot of people love her as well. Shouldn't BW favor them too?

[Xilizhra]

Though i gotta say, that shouldn't be an excuce for them to not add some good Sera content in future dlcs. I want Sera. I want moar of her. She's too good of a character, a freshy one, to not be given proper attention bc some people hate her. A lot of people love her as well. Shouldn't BW favor them too?

And such content would, in truth, be beneficial to both sides, yes?

[AresKeith]

Though i gotta say, that shouldn't be an excuce for them to not add some good Sera content in future dlcs. I want Sera. I want moar of her. She's too good of a character, a freshy one, to not be given proper attention bc some people hate her. A lot of people love her as well. Shouldn't BW favor them too?

 

I agree, Bioware shouldn't shy away from adding content just because the companion is optional 

[WildOrchid]

And such content would, in truth, be beneficial to both sides, yes?

 

Nope. She's not gonna change to fit your views.

That's up to her writer.

[Xilizhra]

Nope. She's not gonna change to fit your views.

That's up to her writer.

We shall see what the writer thinks of his product in light of its reception. It should be interesting regardless of the outcome.

[AresKeith]

We shall see what the writer thinks of his product in light of its reception. It should be interesting regardless of the outcome.

 

The writer isn't nor shouldn't change his character just because she doesn't share their views 

 

And it's honestly arrogant to assume so

[WildOrchid]

I'm just being realistic though; I don't see it happening. Solas is the most likely companion to get extra content, due to his character tie-in with the plot.

 

Don't jinx it pls.

Though she can have good content in a Solas dlc. Some good lines and cutscenes and boom.

[Xilizhra]

To clarify: I don't actually think that Sera's character was intended to come across in the way that it did. I don't think she was intended to be so terrified by other peoples' religious beliefs that she'd break up with someone who had the wrong ones, especially since even people like Cassandra don't do that. I think that what was intended  was that she'd break up with someone who was becoming aggressively elfy and possibly condescending about it, but it wasn't implemented properly.

[AresKeith]

I'd be all for more Sera, believe me. One can never have too much of her.

 

I'm just being realistic though; I don't see it happening. Solas is the most likely companion to get extra content, due to his character tie-in with the plot.

 

Well she probably wouldn't get a whole DLC to herself, but some content here and there wouldn't hurt

[Artemis Leonhart]

Leliana got a whole dlc for herself in Origins and Isabela had a fair bit of content in the MotA dlc in DA2: both of them were not critical to the plot and/or completely avoidable/missable companions; I don't see why it should be less likely for Sera to have more content or a dlc on her own.

[Bowie Hawkins]

 I think that what was intended  was that she'd break up with someone who was becoming aggressively elfy and possibly condescending about it

 

How is telling her that everything she believes is wrong the way others she cared about in the past have done not aggressively elfy and condescending?

[KaiserShep]

Don't jinx it pls.
Though she can have good content in a Solas dlc. Some good lines and cutscenes and boom.

A possible and indeed likely benefit of having a Solas-related story add-on is that bringing Sera might get an interesing reaction.

"Friggin' knew it! Should plonk wolfy before he bungs up the world s'more!"

[WildOrchid]

A possible and indeed likely benefit of having a Solas-related story add-on is that bringing Sera might get an interesing reaction.

"Friggin' knew it! Should plonk wolfy before he bungs up the world s'more!"

 

I love you.

[YourFunnyUncle]

If you want to talk about people leaving off quotes and have those complaints really mean something, you really shouldn't have chosen to ignore what Sera says in the scene after you get back from the Well:
 
"There can't be a bunch of gods and the Maker. Don't matter how much or little you believe, those don't fit. So call me stupid, but I believe the stuff not made up by dead people who failed. Mythal is a ruin full of demons. I mean, it just makes sense, right?"

But I didn't ignore it. In fact I addressed that exact point in my reasoning on the post-Mythal scene.
 

If elven gods are true, then the chantry is wrong, and the Dalish are right. So what if they're right about everything else? Then Sera's entire world-view comes crumbling down. Again her religious motivations are subordinate to her greater ones.

That's why I believe she says that. I think she says it not because her belief in Andraste is devout, but because she thinks that if that card falls, then maybe the whole house of cards that makes her views about the Dalish comes crashing down too. Devout belief is not necessary for that line to make sense, especially given all the other times when she clearly shows that she has many doubts about her religious convictions.

 

Anyway, we're clearly seeing the same things and coming to different conclusions here, and since we can't ask Sera for verification, I suggest that we leave it here, because these arguments are becoming circular.