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[Fiery Phoenix]

IDK, I think it would have been more romantic to actually respect her wishes and let her handle the situation instead of going behind her back to duel some dude for the right to have her or whatever.  I do feel this is the type of trope you'll typically see with heterosexual romances.

I have to agree. I never really got the point behind the whole duel thing, yet the duel scene is what actually locks the romance in (depending on what you say after the fact but that's beside the point).

 

I think it might have been intended as a throwback to the times when dueling over a woman was expected of two men who were in love with her. It's supposedly an Antivan tradition, which is largely based off of ancient Spain/Italy where such things were considered normal to the best of my knowledge.

[Mihura]

I have to agree. I never really got the point behind the whole duel thing, yet the duel scene is what actually locks the romance in (depending on what you say after the fact but that's beside the point).

 

I think it might have been intended as a throwback to the times when dueling over a woman was expected of two men who were in love with her. It's supposedly an Antivan tradition, which is largely based off of ancient Spain/Italy where such things were considered normal to the best of my knowledge.

 

There is a certain true to that but duels were done for many different reasons, from politics to personal offense in many countries. The problem with dueling over a lady is actually the way it takes her agency and identity, to choose to defense herself or pick lovers.

 

I did Josephine romance and I agree it is a very human focus one, it just feels right that way. As for being "typical romantic male" and not neutral, I kinda agree. To be neutral or even out there, you would not duel a man but a woman, or have a different kind of approach to resolve the conflict with the guy but than again I can see why it is cool to subvert the duel with a female Inquisitor, that was exactly what I did lol
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Some DA 2 romances were done better because they acknowledged gender sometimes, of course you do not need to do it. It could be totally neutral or even fluid and that is cool. Till now I cannot pick one single one like that, maybe Liara? 
Funny thing Sera actually reminds me of a male friend, which is goes totally against the "it is a female romance for sure". I guess it depends on the person view, the only two I notice being more on the "female side" was Isabela and Leliana.

To tell the true the whole two gender thing is really restricting, I would say that maybe it depends on the experience of the characters and personalities, with so many genders and identities it is a disservice to put them in two boxes.

[ComedicSociopathy]

Interesting debate going on here. Mind if I cut in. 

 

I think the problem with Jose's romance when it comes to her being in a relationship with a female Inky is the fact that the game never acknowledges the that if Josie does plan on continuing this love affair then there's going to be serious problems with her fulfilling her familial duties. As the future head of her household she's obviously going to be expected to have children of her own to continue the family line. The romance arc never mentions this and it feels weird that it doesn't since Dorian's factors this in a big way with his gripe about being forced to marry a women he cannot love and have he cannot conceive. I suppose Josie could avoid that problem by adopting a child and choosing them as their heir or by resigning as heir apparent and giving that title to one of her incompetent siblings, but once again the romance doesn't bring this up at all, leaving us to suspect that the writer for Josephine didn't even take into account that this would be an obvious issue for a bisexual Josephine. 

 

The adoption possibility is something that I especially wish could have been brought up since it would help in explaining how countries like Orlais and Antiva are totally fine with the nobility being in homosexual relationships even through they can't produce biological children to continue the family line. 

 

Also, since Josie seems to be the companion most likely interested in formally marrying the Inquisitor in a Andrastian manner, it would have also given Bioware the opportunity to finally put their foot down and state whether gay marriage is a thing in Thedas. I've been getting real tried of them ***** footing around that issue.

 

Oh well, I know you can't you use so much game resources into fleshing out a romance in an action RPG but I do wish more could of been done to differentiate a female and male's romance with Josie. 

[Mihura]

"it would have also given Bioware the opportunity to finally put their foot down and state whether gay marriage is a thing in Thedas. I've been getting real tried of them ***** footing around that issue."

Wait isn't that already in lore? I though the whole noble thing with marriage and lines was an exclusive "hetero" thing.
I mean for one I never heard or saw anything that points to having equality when it comes to other sexual or romantic preferences, it always seems like a out of marriage thing.

Having no conflict with Josephine being the head of her noble family and supposedly being a more traditional person, was unfortunate. Knowing her writer, I am starting to think that is not a problem in lore and maybe, the lack of conflict over continuing noble lines made sense in a adopting scenario.

[Sunnie]

Here is the codex entry on the subject...

Spoiler

[ComedicSociopathy]

"it would have also given Bioware the opportunity to finally put their foot down and state whether gay marriage is a thing in Thedas. I've been getting real tried of them ***** footing around that issue."

Wait isn't that already in lore? I though the whole noble thing with marriage and lines was an exclusive "hetero" thing.
I mean for one I never heard or saw anything that points to having equality when it comes to other sexual or romantic preferences, it always seems like a out of marriage thing.

 

Here is the codex entry on the subject...

Spoiler

 

Right, I forgot about this. It does look like marriage among nobility does seem to be mostly an inheritance thing, but that still doesn't technically mean that Josie and Inky can't still legally get hitched, right? If sure if anyone could find some kind of legal loophole it would be Josie. 

 

Anyways, this does beg the question as to what gay marriage means to the peasantry who don't have to deal with any inheritance issues. I mean, you could propose to Sera in a half-joking manner so their might be precedent for it.

 

Hmm. Now I'm thinking about Sera getting to the Inquisitor. By the Maker would that be something to behold. 

[Inverse_Twilight]

Based on what I've seen of the Josie romance, it seems to me like the inquisitor was supposed to fill a 'Knight in Shining Armor' type role, which doesn't work as well with a woman. The whole duel thing always seemed odd to me. Quizzy goes against her wishes and duels some random dude for her. I have to say that the whole scene makes more sense with a male inquisitor.

I also loved that the Inquisitor could jokingly propose to Sera. She spits her drink at you and calls you a loony. That isn't a "No." My Quizzy would totally marry Sera. It would be the best wedding ever. Lol.

[Knight of Dane]

Interesting debate going on here. Mind if I cut in. 

 

I think the problem with Jose's romance when it comes to her being in a relationship with a female Inky is the fact that the game never acknowledges the that if Josie does plan on continuing this love affair then there's going to be serious problems with her fulfilling her familial duties. As the future head of her household she's obviously going to be expected to have children of her own to continue the family line. The romance arc never mentions this and it feels weird that it doesn't since Dorian's factors this in a big way with his gripe about being forced to marry a women he cannot love and have he cannot conceive. I suppose Josie could avoid that problem by adopting a child and choosing them as their heir or by resigning as heir apparent and giving that title to one of her incompetent siblings, but once again the romance doesn't bring this up at all, leaving us to suspect that the writer for Josephine didn't even take into account that this would be an obvious issue for a bisexual Josephine. 

 

The adoption possibility is something that I especially wish could have been brought up since it would help in explaining how countries like Orlais and Antiva are totally fine with the nobility being in homosexual relationships even through they can't produce biological children to continue the family line. 

 

Also, since Josie seems to be the companion most likely interested in formally marrying the Inquisitor in a Andrastian manner, it would have also given Bioware the opportunity to finally put their foot down and state whether gay marriage is a thing in Thedas. I've been getting real tried of them ***** footing around that issue.

 

Oh well, I know you can't you use so much game resources into fleshing out a romance in an action RPG but I do wish more could of been done to differentiate a female and male's romance with Josie. 

 

One thing; to me it doesn't seem like Thedas nobility raises too many eyebrows about passing the inheritance down to someone in your family that is not your children.

 

Josephine has three siblings, so she might just pass the estate to one of their children, similar to how Arl Eamon passed his holdings to his brother when he was without legal heir.

[Sunnie]

I always get a chuckle when looking at Sera's journal on this particular page!

[Inverse_Twilight]

I always get a chuckle when looking at Sera's journal on this particular page!

That last line makes me think that she snipped someone's corset lacing at the ball. I would have loved to see that. Lol.

[Sunnie]

That last line makes me think that she snipped someone's corset lacing at the ball. I would have loved to see that. Lol.

IKR? lol

 

So much missed awesomeness!

[Inverse_Twilight]

IKR? lol
 
So much missed awesomeness!

In my first playthrough, I picked the 'lets go get drunk and have fun' option when Sera comes to see you on the balcony after stopping the assassin. I was really hoping to get to see them mess with the noble jerks. That had so much potential. I'm also still a little disappointed that it fades to black when you start to dance with Sera. That was like a slap to the face for me. I wanted to see adorable elven ladies dance.

[Sunnie]

In my first playthrough, I picked the 'lets go get drunk and have fun' option when Sera comes to see you on the balcony after stopping the assassin. I was really hoping to get to see them mess with the noble jerks. That had so much potential. I'm also still a little disappointed that it fades to black when you start to dance with Sera. That was like a slap to the face for me. I wanted to see adorable elven ladies dance.

I was also, I so wanted to see this happen, complete with stepping on toes!

[Inverse_Twilight]

I was also, I so wanted to see this happen, complete with stepping on toes!

We really missed out on adorable dancing with your love interest. I also find it odd that there is no First Kiss scene with Sera. I mean almost every other love interest got one. You can give her kisses whenever you are in skyhold, but its not the same.

[jlb524]

We really missed out on adorable dancing with your love interest. I also find it odd that there is no First Kiss scene with Sera. I mean almost every other love interest got one. You can give her kisses whenever you are in skyhold, but its not the same.

Yeah, I wish there was one. That's what headcanon is for I suppose.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

Not sure why Josephine's romance is being talked about so much ib the Sera thread but meh, is interesting conversation, i was disappointed in it myself since it just seemed like a straight disney romance imo & felt like she was only available to a F!Inq so lesbian characters would have more choice then just Sera to date

[Sunnie]

I was pretty disappointed that Harding wasn't an option for us! And I'm probably a little weird here, but I also wished Dagna was some sort of option as well! I am happy with Sera though, even my Lavellan gets along famously with her!

[jlb524]

I would have made another Inquisitor just to date Harding in a heartbeat.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

I was pretty disappointed that Harding wasn't an option for us! And I'm probably a little weird here, but I also wished Dagna was some sort of option as well! I am happy with Sera though, even my Lavellan gets along famously with her!

Harding's "romance" is weird, started well but seemed like BW forgot to finish it in the end considering it just randomly stops

[Sunnie]

Harding's "romance" is weird, started well but seemed like BW forgot to finish it in the end considering it just randomly stops

It kinda was nothing more than a few flirts here and there, which is rather disappointing. I consider it more of the writer cruelly teasing us than anything else. I did enjoy the more personal side of her in JoH! I do wish they would have fleshed that out into a proper romance, and would have been the perfect opportunity to do just that. Yet another missed opportunity for awesome content.

[XxPrincess(x)ThreatxX]

It kinda was nothing more than a few flirts here and there, which is rather disappointing. I consider it more of the writer cruelly teasing us than anything else. I did enjoy the more personal side of her in JoH! I do wish they would have fleshed that out into a proper romance, and would have been the perfect opportunity to do just that. Yet another missed opportunity for awesome content.

Really need a cute dwarf romance eventually, Sigrun was unavailable & Harding's romance didn't really go anywhere, maybe will get lucky in DA4

[Inverse_Twilight]

It kinda was nothing more than a few flirts here and there, which is rather disappointing. I consider it more of the writer cruelly teasing us than anything else. I did enjoy the more personal side of her in JoH! I do wish they would have fleshed that out into a proper romance, and would have been the perfect opportunity to do just that. Yet another missed opportunity for awesome content.

I liked flirting with Scout Harding. She is so adorable. I think it is hilarious that Sera approves of flirting with Harding. I think it would have been great if they had added additional content for someone who had flirted lots with her in JoH. I wish she would have given Inky a kiss or something.

[Xilizhra]

I liked flirting with Scout Harding. She is so adorable. I think it is hilarious that Sera approves of flirting with Harding. I think it would have been great if they had added additional content for someone who had flirted lots with her in JoH. I wish she would have given Inky a kiss or something.

Sera approves of an elf Inquisitor flirting with Harding more than she approves of an elf Inquisitor flirting with her, which strikes me as... odd.

[WildOrchid]

Josie is smart, cute, has a beautiful face and all but doe, her romance bores me to death tbh. Not enough drama, not much interesting dialogue, not much humor etc.

 

 

Sera has all that, and more. Gurl is a wild ride.