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[...] But now here we have the Temple of Mythal and it seems like that stuff could be "really real" too and Sera doesn't know what to believe.  I still think Sera just wants to hear it's all nonsense even if she knows the Inquisitor is lying.  Though, it's really only a problem if the Inquisitor is an elf.  My guess is Sera's sure the elven Inquisitor will eventually reject her if more of the "elfy stuff" turns out to be true.

This has been my interpretation for some time now: in many ways it can be seen as a form of 'intrapersonal conflict' in which Sera is caught between two choices on what to believe. In the post-Mythal conversation, it's almost like she's trying to convince herself that the stuff back at Mythal isn't real and was just part of a forgotten legend, yet it's not enough for her to just tell herself that it's not real: she requires an external perspective to validate her doubts, which is where the Inquisitor comes in.

 

The reason she's particularly harsh on the elven Inquisitor in that conversation could be related to their inherent connection to Mythal as an elf, giving their thoughts on the issue a more pronounced effect in Sera's head (and therefore the conflict she's experiencing at that moment). That is to say, Sera could simply be taking the elven Inquisitor's word at face value, as opposed to considering it a mere 'opinion' should the Inquisitor be a non-elf--which might explain her strong reaction to Lavellan's comments on the topic.



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This has been my interpretation for some time now: in many ways it can be seen as a form of 'intrapersonal conflict' in which Sera is caught between two choices on what to believe. In the post-Mythal conversation, it's almost like she's trying to convince herself that the stuff back at Mythal isn't real and was just part of a forgotten legend, yet it's not enough for her to just tell herself that it's not real: she requires an external perspective to validate her doubts, which is where the Inquisitor comes in.

 

The reason she's particularly harsh on the elven Inquisitor in that conversation could be related to their inherent connection to Mythal as an elf, giving their thoughts on the issue a more pronounced effect in Sera's head (and therefore the conflict she's experiencing at that moment). That is to say, Sera could simply be taking the elven Inquisitor's word at face value, as opposed to considering it a mere 'opinion' should the Inquisitor be a non-elf--which might explain her strong reaction to Lavellan's comments on the topic.

And there's my trouble, because I absolutely cannot bring myself to validate her own fears and closemindedness in this situation. It goes against everything that I am.



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And there's my trouble, because I absolutely cannot bring myself to validate her own fears and closemindedness in this situation. It goes against everything that I am.

And I don't blame you. It just so happens to be how this was thought out. As I said earlier in the thread, regardless of whether you personally believe in the Mythal stuff or not, the dialogue options Lavellan has available during that whole conversation are simply lackluster; it might as well be a lose-lose situation.



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And I don't blame you. It just so happens to be how this was thought out. As I said earlier in the thread, regardless of whether you personally believe in the Mythal stuff or not, the dialogue options Lavellan has available during that whole conversation are simply lackluster; it might as well be a lose-lose situation.

All told, I... can't romance her with my elf, it just doesn't work. I genuinely wish that it did, because it does work well with my qunari, but it just doesn't here.



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Don't romance her with elf then.


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All told, I... can't romance her with my elf, it just doesn't work. I genuinely wish that it did, because it does work well with my qunari, but it just doesn't here.


I understand that lots of people feel that way. I really wish there was more middle ground in that scene. That being said, I still love romancing Sera with an elven Inquisitor, it just adds some drama and I kinda like it. I like the beginning of the romance, before you actually start the relationship. It shows that she is hesitant about being with an elf, but she still lets you know that she is interested, calling your Inky pretty and stuff.

If Sera's romance doesn't work with your elf, you could always romance her with a human, dwarf or qunari.

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I rather enjoy the romance with a human, partly because of the dialogue you get in her room.

 

"You tell me, Lady Trevelyan. It's your people who get a hair up the arse about it. 'Oh the Inquisitor took an elf. Of course she did. She's taking advantage of some rubbish I don't even know.'"


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I rather enjoy the romance with a human, partly because of the dialogue you get in her room.

"You tell me, Lady Trevelyan. It's your people who get a hair up the arse about it. 'Oh the Inquisitor took an elf. Of course she did. She's taking advantage of some rubbish I don't even know.'"

I like how she calls you 'Lady Trevelyan.' I especially like the first flirt with her, she says "Lady Trevelyan is cheeky." I remember thinking: "You're the cheeky one." I was sort of hoping for different dialogue with her after Wicked Eyes and Wicked Hearts though. I would think she would say something about Inky being a noble.
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Sera/Trevie might be my fave.

I think maybe b/c I like how the human lnquisitor fits the story better in general.
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Sera/Trevie might be my fave.
I think maybe b/c I like how the human lnquisitor fits the story better in general.


Gonna have to do a Sera/Trevelyn playthrough, my first human Quizzy I'm saving for Dorian but definitely going to have to do another Sera romance. She's just too awesome to only romance once :-D
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Sera/Trevie might be my fave.

I think maybe b/c I like how the human lnquisitor fits the story better in general.

I kinda felt that way also, until Ameriden. Maybe because my Lavellan is more like him. How ironic is it that both the first and second Quizzy were both elven mages with beliefs in both religions?



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Sera/Trevie might be my fave.

I think maybe b/c I like how the human lnquisitor fits the story better in general.


I kind of expected more issues with the human noble and Sera, she seemed to accept her rather easily. I guess the noble thing was kind of a smokescreen to the real angst of the elf romance. When Sera said she could even love a noble it just didn't have the same feeling to me, since there were no issues to speak of. I guess it's just me but I thought there would be problems with the noble and I was sort of looking forward to having to get her to see that all nobles aren't alike. I sort of needed a little angst with the noble, maybe not as much as the poor elf had though.
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I kind of expected more issues with the human noble and Sera, she seemed to accept her rather easily. I guess the noble thing was kind of a smokescreen to the real angst of the elf romance. When Sera said she could even love a noble it just didn't have the same feeling to me, since there were no issues to speak of. I guess it's just me but I thought there would be problems with the noble and I was sort of looking forward to having to get her to see that all nobles aren't alike. I sort of needed a little angst with the noble, maybe not as much as the poor elf had though.

I expected the same thing. It was a little surprising how easily she warms up to the human quizzy. But I'm not complaining!



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I kind of expected more issues with the human noble and Sera, she seemed to accept her rather easily. I guess the noble thing was kind of a smokescreen to the real angst of the elf romance. When Sera said she could even love a noble it just didn't have the same feeling to me, since there were no issues to speak of. I guess it's just me but I thought there would be problems with the noble and I was sort of looking forward to having to get her to see that all nobles aren't alike. I sort of needed a little angst with the noble, maybe not as much as the poor elf had though.

 

Yeah, I wish the human had a bit more too.

 

I do actually prefer the elf romance b/c of the angst but overall think human fits the story best.  But, I've played both and liked them.   Still haven't finished a qunari/dwarf yet.

 

 

I kinda felt that way also, until Ameriden. Maybe because my Lavellan is more like him. How ironic is it that both the first and second Quizzy were both elven mages with beliefs in both religions?

 

That does give the elf some points.  The main thing I didn't like was looking like a moron at Temple of Mythal.  Who knows all about Dalish/elven history?  Lavellan?  No, she don't know any of it!  Morrigan is the expert.


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That does give the elf some points.  The main thing I didn't like was looking like a moron at Temple of Mythal.  Who knows all about Dalish/elven history?  Lavellan?  No, she don't know any of it!  Morrigan is the expert.

I'm convinced this is at least partially a consequence of the fact that the game was originally built exclusively around a human Inquisitor, before multiple playable races were incorporated.

 

Can't honestly think of any other reasonable explanation.


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Yeah, I wish the human had a bit more too.

I do actually prefer the elf romance b/c of the angst but overall think human fits the story best. But, I've played both and liked them. Still haven't finished a qunari/dwarf yet.




That does give the elf some points. The main thing I didn't like was looking like a moron at Temple of Mythal. Who knows all about Dalish/elven history? Lavellan? No, she don't know any of it! Morrigan is the expert.

Well Morrigan did have Mythal as a teacher most of her life( even if she didn't know it ).

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Yeah, I wish the human had a bit more too.
 
I do actually prefer the elf romance b/c of the angst but overall think human fits the story best.  But, I've played both and liked them.   Still haven't finished a qunari/dwarf yet.
 
 
 
That does give the elf some points.  The main thing I didn't like was looking like a moron at Temple of Mythal.  Who knows all about Dalish/elven history?  Lavellan?  No, she don't know any of it!  Morrigan is the expert.


I haven't completed a qunari or dwarf either, I had expected to struggle with dwarf, since I did in DAO but didn't expect to have problems playing a qunari, might retry sometimes as a dual wielding rogue. Picking a dual wielding rogue for my dwarf was probably a bad move, for me. Might try again as an archer, love having two archers.
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I do actually prefer the elf romance b/c of the angst but overall think human fits the story best. But, I've played both and liked them. Still haven't finished a qunari/dwarf yet.



That does give the elf some points. The main thing I didn't like was looking like a moron at Temple of Mythal. Who knows all about Dalish/elven history? Lavellan? No, she don't know any of it! Morrigan is the expert.


I haven't completed a qunari or dwarf either, I had expected to struggle with dwarf, since I did in DAO but didn't expect to have problems playing a qunari, might retry sometimes as a dual wielding rogue. Picking a dual wielding rogue for my dwarf was probably a bad move, for me. Might try again as an archer, love having two archers.

 

I tried with Qunari, didn't make it to Highhold before it got deleted. And with the inability to mod meshes (to make the Qunari female more palatable to me), I doubt I ever will. YouTube will have to suffice.

 

I still haven't tried a dwarf though, since they can't be mages. I already have my cannon rogue (Trevelyan) and I really don't like DA warriors, so unless I get a wild hair to make another rogue, it might be a long time before I play a dwarf.



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I may try a dwarven rogue next.  Seems more fitting for their background.  Haven't played an Assassin too much either so that would be a good spec to pick up.



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I really enjoyed my two Dwarven playthroughs as an archer and a S&S warrior. My rogue was atheist, but my warrior was a convert to the faith and looked like a boss in the Dwarven armor( got to love the tinting options ).


Edited: Also, all of Sera's lovey dovey comments to a fem dwarf inky are absolutely adorable.
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Shrugs, i enjoyed my Adaar/Sera more than my human/Sera. The latter is way too typical, having a qunari and an elf as a couple interest me more, plus it gives the sideeye to a lot of people, same as dwarf/Sera.

 

 

I just like 'unusual' pairings.


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Haha, team mayhem lol.

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I like unusual also, I just can't get past Adaar ugly.



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I like unusual also, I just can't get past Adaar ugly.

Did you just say femqunari are ugly......................................................*HEAD EXPLODES*



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