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I like unusual also, I just can't get past Adaar ugly.

 

The first face isn't ugly though. A lil patience and you can have a horny goddess. Pun intented.


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The first face isn't ugly though. A lil patience and you can have a horny goddess. Pun intented.

She doesn't have to be a horny goddess to be beautiful though...

 

OR DOES SHE?



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The first face isn't ugly though. A lil patience and you can have a horny goddess. Pun intented.

I spent over an hour trying to make a pretty Adaar, failed miserably. The facial structure is just all wrong for me. I also dont like the horns (which are generally a masculine trait in most species), and even with the couple no horn options the hair is hideous. I just can't do Femnari.



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I really want to have a canon elf, but the roleplaying options are simply inadequate for the task. I'm considering leveling a human along with my qunari, and I did finally make one who didn't look like crap (that took longer than it should have), but I have a hard time finding anything positive about Andrastianism to involve my Inquisitor in. I also pictured her losing faith over time, both from Corypheus' pronouncement and the revelation that she's not really the Herald, and I don't know if the game can support that.



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All told, I... can't romance her with my elf, it just doesn't work. I genuinely wish that it did, because it does work well with my qunari, but it just doesn't here.

 

Personally, I'm actually surprised you'd even want to with anyone. It wasn't long after I first met her that I figured she'd be almost everything you hate in a character.

 

Even I almost immediately disliked her enough to very quickly abandon plans romance her. But afterward she grew on me enough to maybe try it out with a third playthrough.



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Personally, I'm actually surprised you'd even want to with anyone. It wasn't long after I first met her that I figured she'd be almost everything you hate in a character.

 

Even I found her almost immediately disliked her enough to very quickly abandon plans romance her. But afterward she grew on me enough to maybe try it out with a third playthrough.

She's almost everything I hate in a character, but... everything I actually hate about her can be chalked up to immaturity, and she has a genuinely good heart.



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I really want to have a canon elf, but the roleplaying options are simply inadequate for the task. I'm considering leveling a human along with my qunari, and I did finally make one who didn't look like crap (that took longer than it should have), but I have a hard time finding anything positive about Andrastianism to involve my Inquisitor in. I also pictured her losing faith over time, both from Corypheus' pronouncement and the revelation that she's not really the Herald, and I don't know if the game can support that.

It's pretty obvious after some months of listening to your comments that Dragon Age: Inquisition just doesn't resonate with you. Why do you continue to torture yourself and then complain about it?


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It's pretty obvious after some months of listening to your comments that Dragon Age: Inquisition just doesn't resonate with you. Why do you continue to torture yourself and then complain about it?

 

Actually, since I have been reading her comments, she likes Inquistion. Just not as a Dalish Elf, and she loves Dalish elves. So she both loves and hates Inquisition and that cognitive disturbance but be vented or it can drive gamers crazy. 

 

Feel free to complain all you want, get it off your chest. Your always welcome as long as your polite. I'd much prefer people being honest about their feelings in a polite manner over reading trolls asking the Sera thread, "why do you like an ugly *bleep*". Ugh.


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It wouldn't really surprise me if Xil disliked the game, but if she has been explaining her reasons for the the last few months I wouldn't know what they are because I just got back from a media blackout after finishing the game for the first time.



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I didn't say she "disliked" the game, I said the game doesn't "resonate" with her. Xili has a lot of issue with the themes, religions. and racial norms in DA:I, and undelivered expectations.  Xili connected with DA2 quite well, not so much in Inquisition.



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I really want to have a canon elf, but the roleplaying options are simply inadequate for the task. I'm considering leveling a human along with my qunari, and I did finally make one who didn't look like crap (that took longer than it should have), but I have a hard time finding anything positive about Andrastianism to involve my Inquisitor in. I also pictured her losing faith over time, both from Corypheus' pronouncement and the revelation that she's not really the Herald, and I don't know if the game can support that.

You don't have to be Andrastian from the start though.
I *Think* there's a dialogue with Giselle after Cory's attack where you can express doubt about it, but I'm not sure. I didn't pick if anyway.

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I didn't say she "disliked" the game, I said the game doesn't "resonate" with her. Xili has a lot of issue with the themes, religions. and racial norms in DA:I, and undelivered expectations.  Xili connected with DA2 quite well, not so much in Inquisition.

It's might be due to different perspectives. Regardless of the While atheist debate back in the day, a human MC has a more Andrastian perspective. With difference races you'd expect more roleplaying options, and lacking certains makes a deeper impact compared to a human pc. Sadly, the game shown is some area the human Origin of the Inquisitor in development.

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It's pretty obvious after some months of listening to your comments that Dragon Age: Inquisition just doesn't resonate with you. Why do you continue to torture yourself and then complain about it?

What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Given time, I'll find a satisfying means of playing this. My qunari playthrough arguably fits already, or at least comes close.

 

 

Actually, since I have been reading her comments, she likes Inquistion. Just not as a Dalish Elf, and she loves Dalish elves. So she both loves and hates Inquisition and that cognitive disturbance but be vented or it can drive gamers crazy. 

 

Feel free to complain all you want, get it off your chest. Your always welcome as long as your polite. I'd much prefer people being honest about their feelings in a polite manner over reading trolls asking the Sera thread, "why do you like an ugly *bleep*". Ugh.

For the most part, yes. My issues are similar to jlb's, but more acute because I really hate not having proper roleplaying options.



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For the most part, yes. My issues are similar to jlb's, but more acute because I really hate not having proper roleplaying options.

If I remember correctly, didn't you also have similar issues with ME2/3?

 

It's entirely possible I'm mixing things up here, but if you did and were still able to get through those games and enjoy them for what they were, I'm sure you'll be fine with DA:I down the road.



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If I remember correctly, didn't you also have similar issues with ME2/3?

 

It's entirely possible I'm mixing things up here, but if you did and were still able to get through those games and enjoy them for what they were, I'm sure you'll be fine with DA:I down the road.

I had some issues like that with ME2, but I got over that. In ME3, it wasn't roleplaying options I had a problem with per se (I think), but with the setup itself. However, while ME2's issue with choosing to work with Cerberus was something that I could eventually justify to myself, I see no way how I could justify Lavellan's terrible dialogue options with Sera, not to mention not being able to say nearly enough when exploring the Temple itself.



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It wouldn't really surprise me if Xil disliked the game, but if she has been explaining her reasons for the the last few months I wouldn't know what they are because I just got back from a media blackout after finishing the game for the first time.

 

It took you a long time to finish the game then. lol

 

 

 I see no way how I could justify Lavellan's terrible dialogue options with Sera, not to mention not being able to say nearly enough when exploring the Temple itself.

 

This is why I love dwarves, so I can say "Sodding elves and humans and their weird religions". 



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This is why I love dwarves, so I can say "Sodding elves and humans and their weird religions". 

My qunari does that, more or less.



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Might try again as an archer, love having two archers.

I just met Bianca this weekend (hello again, Laura Bailey!) and had the best group ever for me.  Bianca, Varric, me and Sera as archers, with Cassandra running around, trying to find someone to hit (as usual). :)

 

On an unrelated note, I JUST figured out why the Remove Upgrade button is greyed out sometimes.  I never realized that it was because my inventory was full.  I feel so dumb.  



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It took you a long time to finish the game then. lol

 

 

 

This is why I love dwarves, so I can say "Sodding elves and humans and their weird religions". 

 

Yeah it wasn't until February/March-ish that I figured out how to get the graphics to work well enough for the game to be playable.



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So shouldn't Sera have as many problems with humans?

 

The racism she was subjected to by Dalish in the past hurt her worse than from humans. It's likely as simple as her once thinking that other elves should know better, and when the proof of that not being the case was ground into her face the additional betrayal made it hurt worse and scar deeper.

 

And there's my trouble, because I absolutely cannot bring myself to validate her own fears and closemindedness in this situation. It goes against everything that I am.

 

And for Sera, dismissing the central teaching of Andrastianism that there is no god other than the Maker would be going against everything she is, and a Dalish Inky who refuses to get that is being at least as closeminded. It's not that either a devout Dalish Inky or Sera is "wrong"; it's just that if they're both devout, they've devoted themselves to things that are mutually contradictory.



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The racism she was subjected to by Dalish in the past hurt her worse than from humans. It's likely as simple as her once thinking that other elves should know better, and when the proof of that not being the case was ground into her face the additional betrayal made it hurt worse and scar deeper.

 

 

And for Sera, dismissing the central teaching of Andrastianism that there is no god other than the Maker would be going against everything she is, and a Dalish Inky who refuses to get that is being at least as closeminded. It's not that either a devout Dalish Inky or Sera is "wrong"; it's just that if they're both devout, they've devoted themselves to things that are mutually contradictory.

So not agreeing with closemindedness is itself closemindedness?



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The racism she was subjected to by Dalish in the past hurt her worse than from humans. It's likely as simple as her once thinking that other elves should know better, and when the proof of that not being the case was ground into her face the additional betrayal made it hurt worse and scar deeper.
 
 
And for Sera, dismissing the central teaching of Andrastianism that there is no god other than the Maker would be going against everything she is, and a Dalish Inky who refuses to get that is being at least as closeminded. It's not that either a devout Dalish Inky or Sera is "wrong"; it's just that if they're both devout, they've devoted themselves to things that are mutually contradictory.


A human, qunari and dwarf are all able to believe in the Dalish gods if they wish, so I'm not seeing this. The qunari, human and dwarf Inky's would all be doing the same thing, if they choose to believe in the elf gods.

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So not agreeing with closemindedness is itself closemindedness?

 

Yes. I think.........maybe. Don't confuse me.



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So not agreeing with closemindedness is itself closemindedness?

 

If Sera refusing to abandon her beliefs is closemindedness, the same applies to an Inquisitor refusing to abandon hers.

 

A human, qunari and dwarf are all able to believe in the Dalish gods if they wish, so I'm not seeing this. The qunari, human and dwarf Inky's would all be doing the same thing, if they choose to believe in the elf gods.

 

Have only played as an elf, so I can only speculate as to why that is, but my best guess is that nobody from those three races ever told her that she was a wrong and bad elf for not believing in them.